My no work, money saving vegetable garden.

pampam

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I build raised bed gardens. If you have access to building supplies you can do this cheaper. I order 18 2x4's from the building supply store, and I ask if 6 of them can be cut in half. They usually don't charge me to cut them, and since I don't demand a certain delivery time, they don't charge me for delivery. I could wait a few days for delivery, however. I get 8' lengths, but the size isn't really important. I also order about a pound or pound and a half of nails. I make a 4'x8' box. It slaps together in about 2 hours with me alone working on it. If I had help it would take a lot less time. It will be aproximately 20" high. I put what ever in the bottom. Sometimes I put lawn rakings and broken branches in the bottom. The last one I built I put blocks of wood in that I knew DH would never get around to chopping. You could put in rocks or what have you. The reason I do this is because vegetables don't usually grow any deeper than 8"to 10" deep. I top it up with dirt. Sometimes I beg dirt from the neighbors, or I take some from my yard. You may have to but a few cubic yards of dirt from a landscaping place, but I havn't needed to do that yet. The first one I built, I put it 2' from the wall so I could reach over it to weed and harvest, but I have since found that isn't necessary for me. I can stretch over the 4' to reach my veggies, but if you are arthritic, you may want to have it built so it is accessable from both sides.

For planting, I just simply broadcast my seeds, and cover with dirt. I don't need to make rows, because I will never rotatill this garden. I use practically every inch of space. These gardens don't get weeds, because the weeds don't grow up from the ground through 14" of rock, wood, or even dirt. Any weeds I get are from airborn seeds. Since they haven't established a strong root system when I discover them they just take a second to pull. I doubt if I spend a total of 30 minutes combined all year weeding the garden. As I walk by, I might notice a weed starting to grow so I pull it. I don't even have to bend over to do it. Sometimes I just sit on the edge and search through the veggies for weeds, but as I say, there are very very few weeds. I have heard these type of gardens require a lot of water, but that has not been the case with me. I built them up against the back of the garage to get the heat from the bricks in the evenings, and the water runs off the roof when in rains and waters the garden. Perhaps 2 or 3 times a season I will water with the hose when I wash the car, but that is about it. You will have to take into consideration your own weather and gardening conditions.

The yield is phenomanal. I don't have to worry about animals getting into it since it is right by the house. Space isn't wasted on rows. Over the years I have had success with potatoes, green beans, yellow beans, radishes, carrots, beets, turnips, and spinach. I have three gardens and hope to build another one this spring. I started this about 10 years ago, and the garden boxes have held up well. Last summer they kept the wolf away from the door when money was tight, and I suppose they will do the same this year.
 
Thanks for the encouragement. I plan to do raised beds this year. I was worried about the condition of the under soil thinking the roots would work down into that, but I guess they really don't. Good to know!
 
I build raised bed gardens. If you have access to building supplies you can do this cheaper. I order 18 2x4's from the building supply store, and I ask if 6 of them can be cut in half. They usually don't charge me to cut them, and since I don't demand a certain delivery time, they don't charge me for delivery. I could wait a few days for delivery, however. I get 8' lengths, but the size isn't really important. I also order about a pound or pound and a half of nails. I make a 4'x8' box. It slaps together in about 2 hours with me alone working on it. If I had help it would take a lot less time. It will be aproximately 20" high. I put what ever in the bottom. Sometimes I put lawn rakings and broken branches in the bottom. The last one I built I put blocks of wood in that I knew DH would never get around to chopping. You could put in rocks or what have you. The reason I do this is because vegetables don't usually grow any deeper than 8"to 10" deep. I top it up with dirt. Sometimes I beg dirt from the neighbors, or I take some from my yard. You may have to but a few cubic yards of dirt from a landscaping place, but I havn't needed to do that yet. The first one I built, I put it 2' from the wall so I could reach over it to weed and harvest, but I have since found that isn't necessary for me. I can stretch over the 4' to reach my veggies, but if you are arthritic, you may want to have it built so it is accessable from both sides.

For planting, I just simply broadcast my seeds, and cover with dirt. I don't need to make rows, because I will never rotatill this garden. I use practically every inch of space. These gardens don't get weeds, because the weeds don't grow up from the ground through 14" of rock, wood, or even dirt. Any weeds I get are from airborn seeds. Since they haven't established a strong root system when I discover them they just take a second to pull. I doubt if I spend a total of 30 minutes combined all year weeding the garden. As I walk by, I might notice a weed starting to grow so I pull it. I don't even have to bend over to do it. Sometimes I just sit on the edge and search through the veggies for weeds, but as I say, there are very very few weeds. I have heard these type of gardens require a lot of water, but that has not been the case with me. I built them up against the back of the garage to get the heat from the bricks in the evenings, and the water runs off the roof when in rains and waters the garden. Perhaps 2 or 3 times a season I will water with the hose when I wash the car, but that is about it. You will have to take into consideration your own weather and gardening conditions.

The yield is phenomanal. I don't have to worry about animals getting into it since it is right by the house. Space isn't wasted on rows. Over the years I have had success with potatoes, green beans, yellow beans, radishes, carrots, beets, turnips, and spinach. I have three gardens and hope to build another one this spring. I started this about 10 years ago, and the garden boxes have held up well. Last summer they kept the wolf away from the door when money was tight, and I suppose they will do the same this year.

Roughly, how much does it cost to build one of these?
 
Sounds wonderful! Can you post pictures? :)
 

Okay, I need details. How do you put the frame together? The square foot gardening website only makes the frame 4 inches high, and uses wood screws to attach the 4 corners. Since yours is 20" high, how do you stack the boards on top of each other and connect them? Are you making it 4 boards high? I'd like to do this this week, any advise you have would be great.
 
Pampam, I have a few questions if you don't mind. I would probably make Salsa but other then that would just be "eating" out of the garden (I live by myself and would not do canning, etc)-with that being said-I do like vegetables-tomatoes are my favorite and would make that a big part of any garden I planted, would I need as large of a raised bed as you suggest or should I go with a smaller one? Thanks so much for posting this, I am excited about getting this going.
 
I love the idea OP! :goodvibes I am going to share your idea with my DH and see what he thinks. I have limited mobility and am far passed being able to tend to my "real" gardens any longer... your idea is great! :thumbsup2

I do not want to take over this thread but wanted to share another economical way to have a garden if you are a little short of money or don't have the room to build one as the OP did.

This has been our "garden" the last few years. We have several 5 gallon buckets (some bakeries will give these away free, others charged us $1.00). Usually they smell yummy, as they have had icing in them, and you just need to wash them out! We filled each bucket with higher grade bagged soil, and planted our plants in them! :thumbsup2 We have had fantastic luck with veggies and herbs. We have planted many types of tomatoes, green/orange bell peppers, hot peppers, basil, and a couple of other herbs. They are easy to tend to, as we keep them on the patio area, and I can sit down to care for them (stake the plants, pick the fruit, ect...)!

We also keep the buckets/soil yearly, covered and tucked away in our garage, and re-use them next year! We do have a dog that loves :lovestruc tomatoes and will pick them himself (Riddler used to raid our real garden all the time :rotfl: ) DH puts the buckets of tomatoes up on the picnic table when they are ripe and Riddler is running around... or else we would have none left!

Whatever route you take... happy gardening! :goodvibes It is so nice to have fresh, organic veggies on hand! :goodvibes
 
Roughly, how much does it cost to build one of these?

Depending on the cost of the wood, I'd estimate about $35, more if you are buying dirt, manure and rocks to fill it.

It's certainly cheaper than all the pots I bought last fall for container gardening.
 
I would also like more detail on how you build these boxes to get them 20". I have 3 dogs that I am trying to keep out of the garden and I think these would be perfect. I turned all of my flower beds into a fenced off garden for the past 2 years but I have more room and would like to try these.
 
The cost varies from region to region. Where I live, 18 construction grade spruce 2x4's cost $46.78 including tax, but if I went with economy grade, which I would, it would cost about $36.41. A pound of 3 1/2 inch nails is another $2.00. I found I needed something to nail the 2x4's together in the 4 corners, and I found some short 4x4's in our garage. I try to make do with whatever I have, and it usually works. I'm not sure what you have on hand, so I can't advise you too much about that. Sorry, but I'm tecno stupid with computers and can't figure out how to post pictures:headache: I build it 6 2x4's high, but since the 2x4's are not true it only totals about 20"-22" high.

I too have raised tomatoes in pails, and it works well.

Some people do vertical gardening, but I haven't had much success with that. What you do is in your small garden, string something across to let the vineing veggies climb. Veggies like cucumbers, squash, peas, and such will grow up on strings, mesh, fences and such. Since they are not laying on the ground, but grow up, they don't require much space. It makes better use of small gardens. I tried zucchinni, but they didn't grow well, so couldn't climb the trellis I built and never did produce any squash.
 
The cost varies from region to region. Where I live, 18 construction grade spruce 2x4's cost $46.78 including tax, but if I went with economy grade, which I would, it would cost about $36.41. A pound of 3 1/2 inch nails is another $2.00. I found I needed something to nail the 2x4's together in the 4 corners, and I found some short 4x4's in our garage. I try to make do with whatever I have, and it usually works. I'm not sure what you have on hand, so I can't advise you too much about that. Sorry, but I'm tecno stupid with computers and can't figure out how to post pictures:headache: I build it 6 2x4's high, but since the 2x4's are not true it only totals about 20"-22" high.

I too have raised tomatoes in pails, and it works well.

Some people do vertical gardening, but I haven't had much success with that. What you do is in your small garden, string something across to let the vineing veggies climb. Veggies like cucumbers, squash, peas, and such will grow up on strings, mesh, fences and such. Since they are not laying on the ground, but grow up, they don't require much space. It makes better use of small gardens. I tried zucchinni, but they didn't grow well, so couldn't climb the trellis I built and never did produce any squash.

We have some friends who do the tomato plants in the 5 gal pails UPSIDE DOWN. It works great so we will give it a try this summer. She cut a hole in the bottom of a pail and worked the tomato plan through so the root was inside the pail and the stem poking out the bottom. them fill with dirt and hang it up. (they used an old swingset to hang the pails from) The tomatoes grow down. It looks weird but worked really well!
OP- Have you ever done this??
 
No I've never tried that, but I do have an old swing set, so I just might give it a go.

Another thing I'd like to try if DD would let me is potatoes with absolutly no work. You spread a heavy layer of mulch on the ground, lawn or wherever you like. I understand it should be about 6" deep. Most people use straw or hay. Poke through the straw and lay a seed potato on the ground. As it grows up, add more mulch around it. I read a book from the library about it once. As most of you know, potatoes grow up, not down, so you don't have to till your soil. When you want potatoes for supper, steal a few by reaching under the straw. The potatoes, I'm told, are clean and healthy. The mulch stops the weeds. I have never tried this, but I can see how it would work. By the way, you likely will never have potato bugs in your first year. The bugs lay eggs the first year so the next year you may have some. However, potato bugs do not travel far, so all you need to do is plant your potatoes in another part of your garden the next year and you should be bug free. That way you don't have to use harmful potato bug dust to kill them.
 
I love the idea OP! :goodvibes I am going to share your idea with my DH and see what he thinks. I have limited mobility and am far passed being able to tend to my "real" gardens any longer... your idea is great! :thumbsup2

I do not want to take over this thread but wanted to share another economical way to have a garden if you are a little short of money or don't have the room to build one as the OP did.

This has been our "garden" the last few years. We have several 5 gallon buckets (some bakeries will give these away free, others charged us $1.00). Usually they smell yummy, as they have had icing in them, and you just need to wash them out! We filled each bucket with higher grade bagged soil, and planted our plants in them! :thumbsup2 We have had fantastic luck with veggies and herbs. We have planted many types of tomatoes, green/orange bell peppers, hot peppers, basil, and a couple of other herbs. They are easy to tend to, as we keep them on the patio area, and I can sit down to care for them (stake the plants, pick the fruit, ect...)!

We also keep the buckets/soil yearly, covered and tucked away in our garage, and re-use them next year! We do have a dog that loves :lovestruc tomatoes and will pick them himself (Riddler used to raid our real garden all the time :rotfl: ) DH puts the buckets of tomatoes up on the picnic table when they are ripe and Riddler is running around... or else we would have none left!

Whatever route you take... happy gardening! :goodvibes It is so nice to have fresh, organic veggies on hand! :goodvibes

This is a fantastic idea!!!! I happen to work in a grocery store so I know I can get the buckets!!! :thumbsup2 Last year DD and I "tried" to grow a garden with no success..... little critters got to 'em. But I think we can do something with this idea! Thanks :woohoo:
 
I build raised bed gardens. If you have access to building supplies you can do this cheaper. I order 18 2x4's from the building supply store, and I ask if 6 of them can be cut in half. They usually don't charge me to cut them, and since I don't demand a certain delivery time, they don't charge me for delivery. I could wait a few days for delivery, however. I get 8' lengths, but the size isn't really important. I also order about a pound or pound and a half of nails. I make a 4'x8' box. It slaps together in about 2 hours with me alone working on it. If I had help it would take a lot less time. It will be aproximately 20" high. I put what ever in the bottom. Sometimes I put lawn rakings and broken branches in the bottom. The last one I built I put blocks of wood in that I knew DH would never get around to chopping. You could put in rocks or what have you. The reason I do this is because vegetables don't usually grow any deeper than 8"to 10" deep. I top it up with dirt. Sometimes I beg dirt from the neighbors, or I take some from my yard. You may have to but a few cubic yards of dirt from a landscaping place, but I havn't needed to do that yet. The first one I built, I put it 2' from the wall so I could reach over it to weed and harvest, but I have since found that isn't necessary for me. I can stretch over the 4' to reach my veggies, but if you are arthritic, you may want to have it built so it is accessable from both sides.

For planting, I just simply broadcast my seeds, and cover with dirt. I don't need to make rows, because I will never rotatill this garden. I use practically every inch of space. These gardens don't get weeds, because the weeds don't grow up from the ground through 14" of rock, wood, or even dirt. Any weeds I get are from airborn seeds. Since they haven't established a strong root system when I discover them they just take a second to pull. I doubt if I spend a total of 30 minutes combined all year weeding the garden. As I walk by, I might notice a weed starting to grow so I pull it. I don't even have to bend over to do it. Sometimes I just sit on the edge and search through the veggies for weeds, but as I say, there are very very few weeds. I have heard these type of gardens require a lot of water, but that has not been the case with me. I built them up against the back of the garage to get the heat from the bricks in the evenings, and the water runs off the roof when in rains and waters the garden. Perhaps 2 or 3 times a season I will water with the hose when I wash the car, but that is about it. You will have to take into consideration your own weather and gardening conditions.

The yield is phenomanal. I don't have to worry about animals getting into it since it is right by the house. Space isn't wasted on rows. Over the years I have had success with potatoes, green beans, yellow beans, radishes, carrots, beets, turnips, and spinach. I have three gardens and hope to build another one this spring. I started this about 10 years ago, and the garden boxes have held up well. Last summer they kept the wolf away from the door when money was tight, and I suppose they will do the same this year.


Do you have problems with animals in your area. We have deer and I think this will not be enought to keep them out.
 
Wow, thanks! DH wants to re-do our garden this year, I'll show him this thread and see what he thinks.
 
Sounds lovely, but I NEED SUN!

I tried container tomatoes last year and could not find a sunny spot for them. Got almost no yield. :confused3
 
I've been wanting to do raised beds for awhile. I think I will give this a try!
 
Sounds lovely, but I NEED SUN!

I tried container tomatoes last year and could not find a sunny spot for them. Got almost no yield. :confused3

But the beauty of container gardening is you can move the pails around to catch the sun. Your yard or balcony must be heavily shaded.:sad2:
 
But the beauty of container gardening is you can move the pails around to catch the sun. Your yard or balcony must be heavily shaded.:sad2:

I have trees everywhere! Tomatoes especially are difficult because they are fussy if you move them and they need enormous amounts of sun.
 
My dad had raised beds as well. His are a little different than the OP and might be easier for some of you. He uses 2"X12". He buys 2 12' long sections cuts off 4' off the end of each, and there he has his 2 8' sides and 2 4' ends. If you have gophers or moles in your area, you'll also want 1" wire to put on the bottom of the bed before you make your frame, so the frame sits on top of it. When I was asking my dad about this, he said he actually bought the roll of wire and it was in the 4'X8" size, so it fit the frame perfectly. This is so the gophers and moles don't get your carrots, beets, potatoes, or whatever. Then just fill with whatever dirt you want to use. My dad did have good soil delivered, knowing he would be using these beds year after year. He's on his third year with them.
 















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