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[bcla]

Those are Chief Carmen's words...right out of her mouth. I have a tendency to believe her.

Do you think these people are going to just hand the precinct back to LEO?

Nobody really has the East Precinct right now. It's boarded up and abandoned. There are no reports that anyone has entered the building since it was abandoned. I'm pretty sure that if anyone did, it would be reported quickly and considered a provocation that would result in a rapid response to take it back. But right now it's just in a holding pattern.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Well, why do you think the only solution involves force?

This will work itself out, but now is not the time to throw gasoline on the fire.

Where did I say that? My point is innocent people/victims are being negatively affected by the behavior and actions of these "peaceful pranksters". Are their needs unimportant? I'm appalled at the reactions from the mayor and governor.

 

[NYCgrrl]

First, we want 6 city blocks to do what we want. Second, abolish all police and jails. Third, we want free college and free housing. Fourth, we want free healthcare. If you want to change the "status quo", get a job! Do you mean changing the "status quo" is giving a bunch of free stuff away? Am I the only one that sees the insanity of actually negotiating with these children?

What exactly is the "status quo" we are maintaining? I wanted to change my status quo. I chose to join the military and earned money for my education, I looked for a job that suited me, I attended college full-time while working. I changed my status quo I guess.

Well personally I'm not interested in running 6 city blocks or a nature preserve for that matter but to each their own on that level.
Abolishing and upgrading the standards under which much of the country's police forces operate? I'm overjoyed with the idea since until recently I thought it would never change. The system is broken and needs fixing. Some ideas will work and others won't but to merely accept things as they stand is the true recipe for disaster.

Free university? I missed that moment in time when it existed in NYC but don't hold the fact that I had to pay against others. It's still quite common in other parts of the world so there are existing models to review and build on.

I'm not sure about "free" healthcare but am all for more affordable care; the cost of body care in this country is atrocious and our overall financial and health cost percentages in no way match.

I haven't heard much about free housing but have more affordable. I live in one of the most expensive cities in the world; the cost of housing is driving out the middle class and of course those w/ less income. Something has change and the financial load MUST be shared equitably.

I changed my economic status by forgoing immediate pleasures for longterm goals. Attended college and university on my own dime for the most part. And while the man was a 'Nam vet I would have protested it if only my mother let me out the house and I could cut school, LOL.

Now that we've established our respective paths and bonafides, let's go back to status quo as defined in the dictionary. Do you feel that no changes are needed in the way the police forces are currently run?

 

[MillauFr]

Where did I say that? My point is innocent people/victims are being negatively affected by the behavior and actions of these "peaceful pranksters". Are their needs unimportant? I'm appalled at the reactions from the mayor and governor.

That zone is a very high income area. They also voted for a city council member that is a socialist and encourages this type of behavior. I think they are getting what they wanted. No need to feel sorry for them.

 

[TLSnell1981]

That zone is a very high income area. They also voted for a city council member that is a socialist and encourages this type of behavior. I think they are getting what they wanted. No need to feel sorry for them.

So 100% of the community is okay with the rise in rape and robbery calls? I highly doubt the victims are getting what they wanted.

 

[JimMIA]

Right now it's just a fairly limited sideshow. The biggest worry isn't going to be about how the government plans on taking over. If they really wanted to do it, I really don't anticipate there would be much active resistance. Certainly not anyone shooting a police trying to take back their police station.

My biggest worry would be that some outside group decides that they're going to "do what the government won't" and comes in armed ordering people to leave.

I think the whole Birkenstock Team of Capitol Hill rebellion is going to collapse today or tomorrow if this urgent need is not met.

 

[BrianL]

Where did I say that? My point is innocent people/victims are being negatively affected by the behavior and actions of these "peaceful pranksters". Are their needs unimportant? I'm appalled at the reactions from the mayor and governor.

You keep saying that but that does not seem to be the case. Where are the victims? Everything seems to be relatively peaceful - it on;y won't be if the authorities charge in with force. That will only make it worse and will do little to discourage future actions by protestors. If your goal is to not have this happen all over, the the best thing is to be judisious about how it is handled. That will help most.

 

[NYCgrrl]

So 100% of the community is okay with the rise in rape and robbery calls? I highly doubt the victims are getting what they wanted.

100% of anything is quite rare in a democracy. Beacuse we live in one is the reason we have the right to have this discussion.
Just saying.

ETA: I'd really like to see these stats the chief of police has mentioned and know why if they still have the manpower how and why they aren't being deployed to answer these calls? She seems like a hard working and earnest person BUT has been wrong in the recent past.

 

[TLSnell1981]

You keep saying that but that does not seem to be the case. Where are the victims? Everything seems to be relatively peaceful - it on;y won't be if the authorities charge in with force. That will only make it worse and will do little to discourage future actions by protestors. If your goal is to not have this happen all over, the the best thing is to be judisious about how it is handled. That will help most.

The police chief stated rape and robbery calls have tripled. Is she lying?

 

[MillauFr]

So 100% of the community is okay with the rise in rape and robbery calls? I highly doubt the victims are getting what they wanted.

Of course the victims of rape are never ok with it.

Problem is here that many residents think biased policing is a bigger problem than criminal activity. I was just saying to expecting the city to crack down on the protesters after voters last November reelected a city council member who wants to defund the police department and shut it down is crazy. The council member's positions are extreme. She makes Bernie Sanders look right wing. She wanted the State of Washington to nationalize the Boeing company.

 

[BrianL]

The police chief stated rape and robbery calls have tripled. Is she lying?

You say that, but I can't find any corroboration. Even if true, it isn't necessarily linked to the protestors. Personally, I don't really think that what they're doing is the right way to go about this, but I also think that cracking down, right now, would only make things worse, not better. I want things to get better. The last thing I will say on the matter is this: "Discretion is the better part of valor."

 

[daisy2013]

The police chief stated rape and robbery calls have tripled. Is she lying?

Calls have tripled- I would be interested to know if crimes have increased. It is not unheard of for people to use 911 to report nonexistent crimes or for swatting purposes...

mans the police chief has a vested interest in making her department (and herself) appear as vital as possible when large budget reorganization’s are being discussed freely

 

[TLSnell1981]

You say that, but I can't find any corroboration. Even if true, it isn't necessarily linked to the protestors. Personally, I don't really think that what they're doing is the right way to go about this, but I also think that cracking down, right now, would only make things worse, not better. I want things to get better. The last thing I will say on the matter is this: "Discretion is the better part of valor."

She said it. I saw it come from her lips.

On Wednesday, the Seattle Police Department said it would try to reopen the East Precinct, and Best was able to visit the location on Thursday. “Our calls for service have more than tripled,” she told reporters. “These are responses to emergency calls — rapes, robberies, and all sorts of violent acts that have been occurring in the area that we’re not able to get to.”

https://news.yahoo.com/seattle-police-chief-not-able-124718101.html

 

[JimMIA]

We're all having fun with the Birkenstock Team of Capitol Hill...but I do have one serious question:

What ever happened to the questions of justice for George Floyd...racism...police misconduct...and ???

Did the Birkenstock Team hijack that life-thread?

 

[LuvOrlando]

Is it just me or does the bougie vegan nibbles wholefoods run request seem a smidge off in comparison to the anguish of last week?
BLM, I care about, not sure that's what this is now.

 

[hopemax]

The rule followers always get kicked around.

Chief Carmen says calls for rape and robbery have tripled since the precinct was taken over.

What have you been reading?

She has said response times have tripled. So it takes 18 minutes to respond, not 6. That's different than calls have tripled.

Also, the "rape & robbery" comments were examples of theoretical calls they MIGHT receive. Not calls that have been occurring and are unable to respond appropriately.

https://komonews.com/news/local/best-spd-response-times-have-tripled-since-loss-of-east-precinct

 

[NYCgrrl]

What have you been reading?

She has said response times have tripled. So it takes 18 minutes to respond, not 6. That's different than calls have tripled.

Also, the "rape & robbery" comments were examples of theoretical calls they MIGHT receive. Not calls that have been occurring and are unable to respond appropriately.

https://komonews.com/news/local/best-spd-response-times-have-tripled-since-loss-of-east-precinct

You must have gotten high marks in reading comprehension.

 

[disykat]

I was in New York during Occupy Wallstreet and walked right by with no concern at all. I wouldnt have gone the first weeks though! With most demonstrations I think that once emotions settle down and the people that are just making trouble are gone, things usually settle down. The people who really want change are interested in peacekeeping, negotiating, making things better so you wont need to fear them.

 

[bcla]

Some have mentioned the occupation of the Malhueur National Wildlife Refuge - especially their headquarters and visitor center. That was a really bizarre exercise, especially given that it was almost exclusively outsiders taking part in the takeover. The people living in the area weren't too happy about it, especially these outsiders walking around with guns in their town following them around. The federal government was extremely cautious about how to proceed, trying to avoid bloodshed. When then captured their leader it more or less fell apart.

I'm not saying what's happening in Seattle's Capitol Hill is particularly legal or even the right thing to do. But it seems more like a weird block party than anything else. Closer to home I know of a certain piece of property owned by the University of California that was turned into a de facto park. Despite all efforts by the University to reclaim it, they haven't been able even after 50 years. I'm not sure this is going to happen with Capitol Hill though. They seem to be taking a gentle touch trying to avoid violence.

However, I'd think that if anyone chooses to try and get into the police station, all bets are off.

 

[JimMIA]

I honestly think Seattle is as much about Instagram moments as anything else.