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[VandVsmama]

Or they could call their new nation "CHAMP"

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[tarheelmjfan]

If people weren't so complacent about those who showed up armed in government buildings in Michigan, we may not have people showing up armed in Seattle. Either it's okay to legally protest armed or it's not. The hypocrisy is strong with many people in this country.

 

[Erica Ladd]

What’s the name of the country they set up in Michigan?

 

[MillauFr]

If people weren't so complacent about those who showed up armed in government buildings in Michigan, we may not have people showing up armed in Seattle. Either it's okay to legally protest armed or it's not. The hypocrisy is strong with many people in this country.

Agreed. The same people who were praising the protesters who took over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge are the same people who are criticizing the protesters in Seattle. And vice versa.

 

[bcla]

If people weren't so complacent about those who showed up armed in government buildings in Michigan, we may not have people showing up armed in Seattle. Either it's okay to legally protest armed or it's not. The hypocrisy is strong with many people in this country.

It's a state by state thing. It seems like it takes something drastic before there are calls to ban civilian weapons. We went over this over 50 years ago in California.

 

[bcla]

Or they could call their new nation "CHAMP"

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BIrkenstock Team of Capitol Hill

Yes - I went there.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

It's a state by state thing. It seems like it takes something drastic before there are calls to ban civilian weapons. We went over this over 50 years ago in California.

I'm totally against open carry by civilians & even more appalled that people are supporting the Michigan or Seattle situations. That said, if it's okay for some to openly carry in states that allow it, it's okay for everyone. The people in Michigan set the precedent. Those who try to argue there's a difference are looking at it from a racial POV.

 

[VandVsmama]

BIrkenstock Team of Capitol Hill

Yes - I went there.

It's very fitting. After all, they urgently requested donations of vegan meat substitute foods, fruits, and nuts.

 

[bcla]

I'm totally against open carry by civilians & even more appalled that people are supporting the Michigan or Seattle situations. That said, if it's okay for some to openly carry in states that allow it, it's okay for everyone. Those who try to argue that there's a difference are looking at it from a racial POV.

It took the Black Panthers carrying shotguns into the California State Capitol Building to ban that. I think that's also the genesis of the open carry law that allowed unloaded open carry in public.

But it's complicated. Open carry without a carry permit is no longer allowed in incorporated cities. And it was a weird clown show where there was unloaded open carry and some people wanted to make a show of it by showing up en masse at places like California Pizza Kitchen and Starbucks with their unloaded sidearms.

But one can open carry loaded in unincorporated areas save some areas that might be designated by county ordinance. But few people really understand the laws except for those who plan on doing it.

 

[Planogirl]

I think Open Carry is dumb anywhere. I think the guys in Michigan were more scary though.

It's disturbing that people are OK with this. I see it as anarchy and anarchy is never pretty. Besides those people that live and have businesses in that area didn't choose this. Shouldn't they have some input?

 

[Darklord77]

They've also demanded that all prisoners be released from prison. And they've set up their own pseudo-police/security force, which searches & frisks people going into their new 'country' (since they've declared that they're no longer part of the US).

They've set up border walls, too, for their new 'country.' It's very ironic. City of Seattle pulled out its police and fire departments and provided port-a-potties for the new citizens of "Escape from LA". Oops, sorry...it's Escape from Seattle.

Does it not strike anyone as odd that these are the same types that argue for open borders, but they are checking ID's and shaking down people wanting to enter the "CHAZ"? When I first heard "Chaz", I imagined a guy who worked out 8 hours a day, driving a Ford Mustang, while drinking Monster Energy drinks all day.

 

[Darklord77]

Send in Seal Team 6. It’ll be cleaned up in a few minutes.

Just give me about three A-10's or just one AC-130 with a well placed Air Force Combat Controller.

 

[Darklord77]

I'm totally against open carry by civilians & even more appalled that people are supporting the Michigan or Seattle situations. That said, if it's okay for some to openly carry in states that allow it, it's okay for everyone. The people in Michigan set the precedent. Those who try to argue there's a difference are looking at it from a racial POV.

Pretty big difference. The Michigan folks did not expel the police from the area, nor did they erect barriers and declare the area a new country. Seattle is an armed insurrection against our legal government. Seattle is one of the most liberal cities in this country. If these folks can't find their grand liberal utopia there, then they are SOL. The Michigan protesters were not demanding anything other than the lifting of arbitrary restrictions. The Seattle "CHAZ" on the other hand is actually asking for stuff that is not protected in the Bill of Rights. See below for their list of demands.

I think Open Carry is dumb anywhere. I think the guys in Michigan were more scary though

Yes, because a bunch of armed fools showing up at the state capitol building, where no one goes to anyway, during a pandemic is far more scary than armed fools erecting barriers and taking over a large chunk of downtown Seattle while declaring themselves a new country.

One group just wanted to be able to go back to work and live a normal life without arbitrary restrictions. The other group wants free college, free housing, free healthcare, abolishing the police and jails, and letting out all the prisoners currently in jail. Sounds more like a hostage takers list of demands and not a protest. Did I miss anything here?

 

[VandVsmama]

With free housing, free college education, and free everything else, taxes in the new “nation of CHAZ” are going to go through the roof pretty soon. They’ll be headed towards Venezuela style conditions pretty soon. And honestly, they weren’t very smart in picking their location in terms of geography. They’re entirely land locked and are demanding free stuff from the country that they claim to have just seceded from.

If I had to live in that “zone,” I’d be mad as heck right now. So glad I don’t live in downtown Seattle right now.

 

[Darklord77]

And honestly, they weren’t very smart in picking their location in terms of geography. They’re entirely land locked and are demanding free stuff from the country that they claim to have just seceded from.

If you have ever visited downtown Seattle you will realize mental illness is the rule rather than the exception. When you adjust the curve for Seattle, this is very rational thinking.

 

[billlaurie]

With free housing, free college education, and free everything else, taxes in the new “nation of CHAZ” are going to go through the roof pretty soon. They’ll be headed towards Venezuela style conditions pretty soon. And honestly, they weren’t very smart in picking their location in terms of geography. They’re entirely land locked and are demanding free stuff from the country that they claim to have just seceded from.

If I had to live in that “zone,” I’d be mad as heck right now. So glad I don’t live in downtown Seattle right now.

The "country" will quickly fold if they need to provide these things for their citizens without any "foreign" aid, unless they figure out how to be self-sustaining, they look like a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Hikergirl]

Does it not strike anyone as odd that these are the same types that argue for open borders, but they are checking ID's and shaking down people wanting to enter the "CHAZ"? When I first heard "Chaz", I imagined a guy who worked out 8 hours a day, driving a Ford Mustang, while drinking Monster Energy drinks all day.

Odd? Not at all. The saying if it weren't for double standards they'd have no standards at all comes to mind.

I personally have no issue with open carry. I'd rather see who is carrying so I can judge whether they are a lunatic or not. I can't do that with concealed.

 

[littlejimmy]

If people weren't so complacent about those who showed up armed in government buildings in Michigan, we may not have people showing up armed in Seattle. Either it's okay to legally protest armed or it's not. The hypocrisy is strong with many people in this country.

everybody agrees that it is ok to legally protest armed. I am still waiting for someone to tell me how this whole seattle thing is legal. that's all. so if what they are doing is legal. I have no problem with it. I don't see any hypocrisy in that.

 

[bcla]

everybody agrees that it is ok to legally protest armed. I am still waiting for someone to tell me how this whole seattle thing is legal. that's all. so if what they are doing is legal. I have no problem with it. I don't see any hypocrisy in that.

It’s clearly not legal. But as with many things, the government officials aren’t in a hurry.

 

[BrianL]

It’s clearly not legal. But as with many things, the government officials aren’t in a hurry.

I agree. I don't think what is happening in Seattle is legal, but right now trying to remove the people is going to end with in more trouble than it's worth. Tempers are high right now and anything could become a flashpoint. It doesn't sound like anyone's getting hurt at the moment so the police are being hands-off. If the situation changes then a different tactic can be employed, but this won't last forever. Cracking-down though is only going to make things worse, not better.

As silly as it sounds, it reminds me of how Disney handles rule-breakers - they are pretty hands off with people jumping ahead in the queue because the impact is minimal and they'd rather just let it slide than have a potentially ugly and public confrontation with the rule-breakers. They are actually pretty good at deescalation. They of course get more serious when something is dangerous to guests but for the minor stuff it's just not worth it.