seattle

[Darklord77]

I agree. I don't think what is happening in Seattle is legal, but right now trying to remove the people is going to end with in more trouble than it's worth.

Unless you are one of the law-abiding citizens or business owners caught in the "CHAZ."

 

[MillauFr]

With free housing, free college education, and free everything else, taxes in the new “nation of CHAZ” are going to go through the roof pretty soon.

For the low income residents protesting taxes are already through the roof. Low income residents in Washington State pay one of the highest % of their income in state and local taxes. They are upset because the high income residents here pay some of the lowest % of state and local taxes. Washington State is a utopia for high income residents. No surprise that Bezos and Gates choose to locate in Seattle. Bezos wants to become the first trillionaire and he is well on his way.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I agree. I don't think what is happening in Seattle is legal, but right now trying to remove the people is going to end with in more trouble than it's worth. Tempers are high right now and anything could become a flashpoint. It doesn't sound like anyone's getting hurt at the moment so the police are being hands-off. If the situation changes then a different tactic can be employed, but this won't last forever. Cracking-down though is only going to make things worse, not better.

As silly as it sounds, it reminds me of how Disney handles rule-breakers - they are pretty hands off with people jumping ahead in the queue because the impact is minimal and they'd rather just let it slide than have a potentially ugly and public confrontation with the rule-breakers. They are actually pretty good at deescalation. They of course get more serious when something is dangerous to guests but for the minor stuff it's just not worth it.

The rule followers always get kicked around.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I agree. I don't think what is happening in Seattle is legal, but right now trying to remove the people is going to end with in more trouble than it's worth. Tempers are high right now and anything could become a flashpoint. It doesn't sound like anyone's getting hurt at the moment so the police are being hands-off. If the situation changes then a different tactic can be employed, but this won't last forever. Cracking-down though is only going to make things worse, not better.

As silly as it sounds, it reminds me of how Disney handles rule-breakers - they are pretty hands off with people jumping ahead in the queue because the impact is minimal and they'd rather just let it slide than have a potentially ugly and public confrontation with the rule-breakers. They are actually pretty good at deescalation. They of course get more serious when something is dangerous to guests but for the minor stuff it's just not worth it.

The rule followers always get kicked around.

Chief Carmen says calls for rape and robbery have tripled since the precinct was taken over.

 

[MillauFr]

Unless you are one of the law-abiding citizens or business owners caught in the "CHAZ."

Good thing this resident got out before the area was taken over. This house is inside the CHAZ. They probably couldn't get $29m for a single family house on a tenth of an acre today...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1607-13th-Ave-Seattle-WA-98122/305484418_zpid/

 

[MillauFr]

Unless you are one of the law-abiding citizens or business owners caught in the "CHAZ."

The people living in that area are very high income. They will do fine. If they get sick of the protesting they can retreat to their second home in the Hamptons.

 

[BrianL]

The rule followers always get kicked around.

Chief Carmen says calls for rape and robbery have tripled since the precinct was taken over.

Well, look, I am not the one assessing the situation and there seems to be a lot of conflicting reports out there, many from less than reliable sources. I trust those in charge to make the assessment and as long as people aren't getting hurt, charging in there is not the way to go - in fact that pretty much guarantees people will get hurt, both the protestors and law enforcement. As long as things are calm, they should keep it that way. If they really aren't calm, then something should be done. The idea though is sound.

 

[Darklord77]

As long as things are calm, they should keep it that way. If they really aren't calm, then something should be done. The idea though is sound.

It's calm now, until it's not calm. When it starts to get out of hand, and it will, it will already be too late. You know what other area did not have any real government or public safety? Somolia. Seattle should replace police with warlords. Seattle can change its name to Little Mogadishu. The lunatics are truly running the asylum now.

 

[Darklord77]

The people living in that area are very high income. They will do fine. If they get sick of the protesting they can retreat to their second home in the Hamptons.

LOL. Yeah, nothing better to attract new businesses and new taxpayers than by having armed insurrections within your city while the government does nothing.

 

[BrianL]

It's calm now, until it's not calm. When it starts to get out of hand, and it will, it will already be too late. You know what other area did not have any real government or public safety? Somolia. Seattle should replace police with warlords. Seattle can change its name to Little Mogadishu. The lunatics are truly running the asylum now.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. We don't know what will happen. Right now cracking down is likely to lead to more problems, not less. It will be a bad look to the nation. If it becomes necessary the most will support the action anyway, but only if it does. This will not be a permanent issue. It really does not appear to be an "armed insurrection" as you claim - that's only a handful of people if that. If it were, I am sure the authorities would have a different response.

 

[Darklord77]

I think that's a bit of a stretch. We don't know what will happen. Right now cracking down is likely to lead to more problems, not less. It will be a bad look to the nation. If it becomes necessary the most will support the action anyway, but only if it does. This will not be a permanent issue. It really does not appear to be an "armed insurrection" as you claim - that's only a handful of people if that. If it were, I am sure the authorities would have a different response.

If you don't crack down now, it will only lead to more appeasement. As we have learned from history, appeasement only leads to more appeasement. Until someone finally stands up and says enough. However, once we get too far down this road it may be much harder to win the territory back.

 

[MillauFr]

LOL. Yeah, nothing better to attract new businesses and new taxpayers than by having armed insurrections within your city while the government does nothing.

It would be better for all involved if this led to a reduction in residents and businesses moving to Seattle. The city has been decimated by a flood of new wealthy residents moving in pushing the low income residents out of the city to the suburbs. Drive around Seattle and all you will see are wall to wall tower cranes building new high rises. It is unsustainable and needs to be scaled back. A single family house that sold for $29m in the CHAZ zone a few years ago? That is absolutely outrageous.

 

[NYCgrrl]

If you don't crack down now, it will only lead to more appeasement. As we have learned from history, appeasement only leads to more appeasement. Until someone finally stands up and says enough. However, once we get too far down this road it may be much harder to win the territory back.

Does appeasement mean the same as change to you? Just wondering in what context you are using the word.
You seem very dedicated to maintaining the status quo but I really don't want to put words in your mouth as I know how annoying that can be.

 

[Darklord77]

It would be better for all involved if this led to a reduction in residents and businesses moving to Seattle. The city has been decimated by a flood of new wealthy residents moving in pushing the low income residents out of the city to the suburbs.

This is just not happening in Seattle. It's many major urban areas where lower income residents are now being pushed into the suburbs.

 

[BrianL]

If you don't crack down now, it will only lead to more appeasement. As we have learned from history, appeasement only leads to more appeasement. Until someone finally stands up and says enough. However, once we get too far down this road it may be much harder to win the territory back.

It's not "appeasement" - they didn't invade Poland. These are just some protestors camping out for a bit. There aren't reports of violence. You obviously see it one way and see these people as all armed and threatening. What I have seen doesn't bare that out but I will allow the authorities to make the call on it.

 

[bcla]

I think that's a bit of a stretch. We don't know what will happen. Right now cracking down is likely to lead to more problems, not less. It will be a bad look to the nation. If it becomes necessary the most will support the action anyway, but only if it does. This will not be a permanent issue. It really does not appear to be an "armed insurrection" as you claim - that's only a handful of people if that. If it were, I am sure the authorities would have a different response.

Right now it's just a fairly limited sideshow. The biggest worry isn't going to be about how the government plans on taking over. If they really wanted to do it, I really don't anticipate there would be much active resistance. Certainly not anyone shooting a police trying to take back their police station.

My biggest worry would be that some outside group decides that they're going to "do what the government won't" and comes in armed ordering people to leave.

 

[Darklord77]

Does appeasement mean the same as change to you? Just wondering in what context you are using the word.
You seem very dedicated to maintaining the status quo but I really don't want to put words in your mouth as I know how annoying that can be.

First, we want 6 city blocks to do what we want. Second, abolish all police and jails. Third, we want free college and free housing. Fourth, we want free healthcare. If you want to change the "status quo", get a job! Do you mean changing the "status quo" is giving a bunch of free stuff away? Am I the only one that sees the insanity of actually negotiating with these children?

What exactly is the "status quo" we are maintaining? I wanted to change my status quo. I chose to join the military and earned money for my education, I looked for a job that suited me, I attended college full-time while working. I changed my status quo I guess.

 

[BrianL]

Right now it's just a fairly limited sideshow. The biggest worry isn't going to be about how the government plans on taking over. If they really wanted to do it, I really don't anticipate there would be much active resistance. Certainly not anyone shooting a police trying to take back their police station.

My biggest worry would be that some outside group decides that they're going to "do what the government won't" and comes in armed ordering people to leave.

That's certainly a concern. I still believe this will die down relatively calmly, but should actions need to be taken then I would support that too.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Well, look, I am not the one assessing the situation and there seems to be a lot of conflicting reports out there, many from less than reliable sources. I trust those in charge to make the assessment and as long as people aren't getting hurt, charging in there is not the way to go - in fact that pretty much guarantees people will get hurt, both the protestors and law enforcement. As long as things are calm, they should keep it that way. If they really aren't calm, then something should be done. The idea though is sound.

Those are Chief Carmen's words...right out of her mouth. I have a tendency to believe her.

Do you think these people are going to just hand the precinct back to LEO?

 

[BrianL]

Those are Chief Carmen's words...right out of her mouth. I have a tendency to believe her.

Do you think these people are going to just hand the precinct back to LEO?

Well, why do you think the only solution involves force?

This will work itself out, but now is not the time to throw gasoline on the fire.