Losing faith in humanity

[si-am]

But that is you! To me I wouldn't be able to enjoy my vacation if I just let people walk all over me, that would be 10 times more stressful. It would eat at me all day much more than "sweating the small stuff" as you say.

So if it doesn't bother you to be walked on then go right ahead and enjoy your vacation but to those of us that people doing that to us would bother us more, then expect us to say something about it. We are both enjoying our vacations.

Exactly. I am not the type who will swallow her pride and let herself get walked all over. Not me.

 

[PebblesMom]

Yes the man that cut in line. You never know, some people like the line cutter when they see someone show politeness and grace to them when they are being mean and rude will affect them. Even if it doesn't we should never stop showing kindness.

Oh, I don't disagree; your manager was rolling over for no reason -- unless the wife's brother was on the city council and could pull your license. FWIW, I wasn't referring to your situation, but situations that I have often found myself in, and I'm sure there are times when CMs face the same dilemma.

On several occasions I had to weigh the question of, "Do I back up my minimum-wage-clerk's assertion that policy cannot be waived, or do I cave because this guy is a loose cannon and I can look out the window and see the gun rack in the truck?" I ran a public facility, and we often had a lot of small children on the premises; sometimes I had to hold my nose and make nice with nasty people because it was the safest thing to do, though it certainly was not my inclination to do it.

My own district manager in that job was very bad about sucking up to those in power no matter how abusive and ridiculous they got. She expected me to toe the line and grovel when she threw me and my staff under the bus, which happened with great regularity. I put up with it for 3 years because the job paid very well, but finally quit the week after we closed on our house.

I have to hold my nose and play nice more often than I would like....I can only imagine what it would be like at a place like Disney where people expect everything to be perfect because they just spent a lot of $$$. Although most of us realize that we are all in the same boat and have put a lot of time and money into the same trip, some people really can't see past the end of their own nose.
I have not lost hope yet, because I see a lot of young people who have manners and parents who are teaching good manners by example. I think that rude people are still the minority.

 

[Epeyon]

I have to hold my nose and play nice more often than I would like....I can only imagine what it would be like at a place like Disney where people expect everything to be perfect because they just spent a lot of $$$. Although most of us realize that we are all in the same boat and have put a lot of time and money into the same trip, some people really can't see past the end of their own nose.
I have not lost hope yet, because I see a lot of young people who have manners and parents who are teaching good manners by example. I think that rude people are still the minority.

Cast members are afraid to stand up to guests because of a little clause in the union contract that says CMs are never allowed to be rude, argue or fight with a guest. If a CM does this they can be terminated on the spot.

Many managers do not support their cast members, they automatically give the guest what they want and then punish the cast member later on. That is unless the guest strikes the CM, then the guest gets a nice trip to the Orange County Jail and the CM may or may not be punished anyway.

 

[Bunch24]

Thanks for all the comments and discussion. For the record, yes, I am a man. The more I think about it, the more I realize I could have done more. But it's a lot easier to say that when you're removed from the situation and you've had time to digest it. In the heat of the moment, I think I made the right call in just confronting the person, and not letting it escalate into a full-blown scene in MSB. I will take some advice on here and email guest relations, in hope that this trend is somehow curtailed in the future.

I've never been one to back down from a fight, but my dad also told me to know when it's just not worth the effort. He caught me on a good day. I was in the Magic Kingdom.

Like someone else said, though, the number of good people far outweigh the number of bad. Unfortunately you run across the bad ones and those are the ones you remember.

 

[umichigan10]

I figure when the majority of the world is rude jerks it'll be like a scene from that book clockwork orange. So I'm not too concerned for now

 

[litlpixie]

Thanks for all the comments and discussion. For the record, yes, I am a man. The more I think about it, the more I realize I could have done more. But it's a lot easier to say that when you're removed from the situation and you've had time to digest it. In the heat of the moment, I think I made the right call in just confronting the person, and not letting it escalate into a full-blown scene in MSB. I will take some advice on here and email guest relations, in hope that this trend is somehow curtailed in the future.

I've never been one to back down from a fight, but my dad also told me to know when it's just not worth the effort. He caught me on a good day. I was in the Magic Kingdom.

Like someone else said, though, the number of good people far outweigh the number of bad. Unfortunately you run across the bad ones and those are the ones you remember.

You acted as you thought was necessary,especially w/ your kids right there. I can totally respect that. and sorry I thought you were a girl,lol here is a very masculine flower for you

 

[nooneshome]

I figure when the majority of the world is rude jerks it'll be like a scene from that book clockwork orange. So I'm not too concerned for now

No time for the old in-out I'm here to read the meter.

 

[POOHsie]

Thanks for all the comments and discussion. For the record, yes, I am a man. The more I think about it, the more I realize I could have done more. But it's a lot easier to say that when you're removed from the situation and you've had time to digest it. In the heat of the moment, I think I made the right call in just confronting the person, and not letting it escalate into a full-blown scene in MSB. I will take some advice on here and email guest relations, in hope that this trend is somehow curtailed in the future.

I've never been one to back down from a fight, but my dad also told me to know when it's just not worth the effort. He caught me on a good day. I was in the Magic Kingdom.

Like someone else said, though, the number of good people far outweigh the number of bad. Unfortunately you run across the bad ones and those are the ones you remember.

My dad had a military background, and also my DH. They would say the same thing your dad said, only with a military slant: "You can win the battle, but lose the war." Meaning, if your encounter at MSB escalated, and you insisted on winning at all costs, you might have prevailed. But as witnessed by your kids and others in the store, you might have come out looking worse than the jerk who started it.

But, considering --
1. it was a wonderful morning, and
2. you were at MK, and
3. you were with your kids, and
4. their magical day was just beginning, and
5. the clerk did not back you up...

... then I believe you took it as far as you could, without looking bad in your kids' eyes. I believe your kids learned that showing patience and restraint, in the face of unpleasantness, was a textbook example of "Taking the High Road."

 

[t_catt11]

My dad had a military background, and also my DH. They would say the same thing your dad said, only with a military slant: "You can win the battle, but lose the war." Meaning, if your encounter at MSB escalated, and you insisted on winning at all costs, you might have prevailed. But as witnessed by your kids and others in the store, you might have come out looking worse than the jerk who started it.

But, considering --
1. it was a wonderful morning, and
2. you were at MK, and
3. you were with your kids, and
4. their magical day was just beginning, and
5. the clerk did not back you up...

... then I believe you took it as far as you could, without looking bad in your kids' eyes. I believe your kids learned that showing patience and restraint, in the face of unpleasantness, was a textbook example of "Taking the High Road."

Agreed 100%.

 

[deegack]

These might help restore some faith in humanity


http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/pictures-that-will-restore-your-faith-in-humanity

 

[Stitch76]

well i look it like this

THE MK has probably the most diverse collection of people in the world. from all parts of the county and the world. exclude the non US people there are people probably from each state there at all times. I boil it down to 3 things economics and sense of entitlement and some are just A$$holes. if its ok in the trailer park it might not be ok in disney world. People tent to act just like they act at home. its all on how your raised....

While I do agree with the majority of your statement, including, that it's how someone is raised, you didn't have to throw the "trailer park" remark in there.
I spent about a third of my life in one, and I turned out just fine.
Just because someone is rude doesn't mean they came from a trailer park. BTW, most Momma's in that trailer park (including mine) would have "whooped their kid's a**", if they acted like that in public. We were brought up to respect our elders, and behave, or you didn't go nowhere.
If someone is rude, it's not so much where they came from, it's more up to if Mommy and Daddy done their job or not. Rude people can be from a "trailer park", or Beverly Hills.
Just a side note, most of the rude people I have encountered in my life, actually looked like they were quite well off.

 

[sharadoc]

And there we have it. Those darned Quakers of four hundred years ago are to blame for the bad attitudes of today. It took a while to fester, but man, did it ever prove to be terrible!

Seriously, there are probably a multitude of influences behind why how people act like they do, but I cannot make the leap that the colonists of the sixteen and seventeen hundreds have a thing to do with line cutting at Disney.

Actually not the Quakers, they are peaceful.

 

[Disney Doll]

I've lost faith in humanity too. It started when I worked in an insurance call center, and it isn't just me, my husband does the same job and he's become jaded too.

Good for you for taking the high road and teaching your boys!

Speaking of terrible humans, I know this has nothing to do with Disney but this evening there was a mother and baby deer by the creek across from my home. I took my two youngest kids across the street to take a closer look and at the same time a neighbor from a couple doors down came in the opposite direction with his pitbull. I didn't notice him until he yelled "get em" at the top of his lungs (referring to the deer) and this dog starts running like mad.

I grab my son's arm and carry my daughter and get them across the street as quick as I can. The dog quickly lost the deer and it started coming after us and the owner was calling for the dog to return and it wasn't listening. Thank God my yard is fenced and we made it in the gate because we would have surely been mauled before I could get into the actual house. What kind of person would do such a thing? Maybe the same kind of person who cuts in line at a bakery and blocks a little kid at a parade.

I'd be calling the cops about that.

 

[dtum]

You kind of have to, unless you are bigger, stronger and willing to fight.

Disney management does nothing. They contend that they don't have the authority to do anything. It is up to you to hold your place in line or call the cops.

They cannot control guest behavior.

Seriously.

I have the name of the manager, the date, time, everything. I am seriously waiting for someone to file suit. And I'll happily sit and be deposed.

"We have no authority. We cannot control guest behavior."

I think they can do something. Our local park has signs all over that say line jumping is subject to park removal. DW can, they don't want to. Last trip our family stood across the queues so no one could get around (not that it stopped everyone, but helps).

If it makes you feel any better, last month while standing for 1/2 hour to get into the National Archives in DC, two ladies walked right up and planted themselves right at the front of the line and then started laughing. Rude people are everywhere.

 

[POOHsie]

Agreed 100%.

 

[Grandmatoniko]

I just got home today and I have to say I don't mind crowds but the rudeness was just horrible!!!!!!

 

[jojomoore]

HI,

My experience didnt happen at disney, but on a week long school trip.We practically had to live on a chartered bus for a week. Using the bus to travel between places during day and only sleeping in hotel about 5 to 6 hours a night. As you can imagine, with little sleep the fatigue started wearing on people by the end of the trip and tempers were starting to unravel. We did have an altercation between two students that got physical on the way home. Their was one parent on our bus that was always late to arrive at bus, morning, noon and night every day of our trip. if we were told to be back on the bus no later than 7oclock, she would arrive 20 minutes late and we had to wait every time. One night we couldnt wait because the bus had to move to let another bus in - there was a time limit for the length the bus could sit idle and we had to leave her. but then we had to spend about an hour to circle back to pick her up and didnt get to our hotel until after 11. We would all make smart comments to her - but she didnt care . she just kept doing what she wanted. I just dont understand why people are this way. Its like who died and made her the center of the universe. there were at least 50 to 60 people on our bus that had to wait for her. Sometimes all five buses had to wait on her but she didnt care.

I would never intentionally break in front of a long line of people to be waited on before all those people who had waited before me. THe big problem is that these people are raising their children to feel entitled and to have no human decency or respect for others, to have no empathy, and just to pretty much be ignorant. We all have to live in this world together and respect each other. We shouldnt have to feel like we have to fight for everything. Shouldnt we have evolved as a society as a whole from this. Yes but it seems that we havent.

I was so proud of my DD. When i visited her shcool to eat thanksgiving lunch with her this year. THe lunchroom cashier told me that i had the politest and well mannered child in the entire school. That DD really stood out to her. THis made me feel all warm inside.

I mean seriously was the world going to end because this mans children didnt get to eat 15 minutes earlier.

 

[BernardandMissBianca]

While we were eating, I had a lady come to me and say she's a Disney regular and had never witnessed such a vulgar display. The good thing is that I used a lot of the rudeness we experienced in Disney to teach my two boys right from wrong. I think they were obviously paying attention, because we got several compliments on how well-mannered they were during the trip.

Bolded- It's all you can do. We do it, a lot.
My boys and girl have had many a lesson at Disney as to how not to act in public. My kids have been known to be very vocal and speak to each other and say very loudly "That is NOT how we act towards other people".

My kids can also tell you that they know where every corner in Disneyworld is. Just because we are on vacation does not mean you get a free pass from punishment.

 

[Jennasis]

Lost your faith in humanity? Look here to get it back... http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/pictures-that-will-restore-your-faith-in-humanity

 

[jenrose66]

I'd be calling the cops about that.

The cops don't care. I called animal control and left a message. Then this morning because I was still upset about it I did call the non emergency police line. The woman was very nice and told me animal control only works part time and they would be in later in the morning. She said they are very good about returning calls and would get back to me today. 6 hours go by and no one calls me, so I call animal control back and get voice mail again. I again left a polite but persistent message saying that this owners reckless behavior is not safe for the neighborhood and I will continue to call until someone returns my call to discuss this situation.