Losing faith in humanity

[Sorsha]

Actually, what the man did is bullying. He didn't think anyone would say anything to neither him nor do anything so he carried on with his behavior. Essentially praying on people he thought were weaker then him.

Who says that standing up for oneself is not holding oneself to a higher standard or acting in a dignified manner?

My children will grow up to not be a rude person or a line cutter, but a person who sticks up for others and themselves.

By teaching your children the way that you are...you are essentially letting them believe that letting people continue their rude behavior is ok.

Riding third row in life rather than second is not ok!

BTW...believing in stereotypes is very closed minded and judgmental.

Those are all your opinions, and you are welcome to them.

For my part, I believe in the Golden Rule (although I am not religious) and the tenants of living peacefully with all those around me.

If I have done unto others as I would have them do unto me, and if I have lived my life as peacefully and as free of conflict and aggression as humanly possible, then I have done my part.

I cannot control others' actions, all I can do is control how I react to them, and I choose to react with peace, not confrontation.

And yes, IMHO second row rather than 2nd IS OK with me and my family. It is all the same ride, just because someone gets to sit in front of me doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the ride. As a PP pointed out, who cares? It isn't like I haven't seen it before. Not worth getting my panties in a wad. Strive for peace and harmony.

 

[Phatoomch]

Those are all your opinions, and you are welcome to them.

For my part, I believe in the Golden Rule (although I am not religious) and the tenants of living peacefully with all those around me.

If I have done unto others as I would have them do unto me, and if I have lived my life as peacefully and as free of conflict and aggression as humanly possible, then I have done my part.

I cannot control others' actions, all I can do is control how I react to them, and I choose to react with peace, not confrontation.

And yes, IMHO second row rather than 2nd IS OK with me and my family. It is all the same ride, just because someone gets to sit in front of me doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the ride. As a PP pointed out, who cares? It isn't like I haven't seen it before. Not worth getting my panties in a wad. Strive for peace and harmony.

There is a difference between react with peace and standing by and doing nothing at all. I am not an aggressive person, I am not confrontational but if I see someone getting bullied, no matter how nerve-racking it might be for me, I WILL lend a hand.

 

[umichigan10]

Uncalled for...seriously...

The thing that surprised me more about it was I never knew an east coast accent existed, as I never knew every person from Maine to Florida sounded exactly the same

 

[Sorsha]

There is a difference between react with peace and standing by and doing nothing at all. I am not an aggressive person, I am not confrontational but if I see someone getting bullied, no matter how nerve-racking it might be for me, I WILL lend a hand.

ABSOLUTELY!! But as I have pointed out time and again, IMHO there is a HUGE difference between line cutting at WDW and actual bullying. If I feel there is a threat to someone, something dangerous, illegal, or immoral is going on, etc - then you bet I will step in and help.

I think the phrase "bullying" is SO overused. Not every person you (the generic you, not YOU) find objectionable or unpleasant is a bully.

 

[raidermatt]

ABSOLUTELY!! But as I have pointed out time and again, IMHO there is a HUGE difference between line cutting at WDW and actual bullying. If I feel there is a threat to someone, something dangerous, illegal, or immoral is going on, etc - then you bet I will step in and help.

I think the phrase "bullying" is SO overused. Not every person you (the generic you, not YOU) find objectionable or unpleasant is a bully.

I get what you are saying, line cutting itself might not fit some definitions of bullying. But when somebody calls them on it and they respond the way that guy did, it definitely becomes bullying. Bullying doesn't have to be physical.

 

[Phatoomch]

ABSOLUTELY!! But as I have pointed out time and again, IMHO there is a HUGE difference between line cutting at WDW and actual bullying. If I feel there is a threat to someone, something dangerous, illegal, or immoral is going on, etc - then you bet I will step in and help.

I think the phrase "bullying" is SO overused. Not every person you (the generic you, not YOU) find objectionable or unpleasant is a bully.

I agree, bullying is over-used but this guy used intimidation against the OP resulting in him getting his own way. Lets not call it bullying, lets call it aggressive bad-manners .... I would have still stepped in.

What the line-cutter did was wrong and children especially need to see that it is not acceptable. We teach our children every day that line-cutting is wrong - you should hear them at school telling tales on the line-cutters - allowing an adult to cut line and not do anything about it is showing a child that line-cutting is ok if the 'cutter' is bigger and/or ruder and/or more ignorant than you.

 

[thelionqueen]

Disney World seems to bring out the best in some and worst in others.

As to the line cutter you can't reason with them as they would not cut in front of you if they were the type to listen to reason.

What you have to do is use a group against them. We simply say very loudly to everyone else in line, Does Everyone waiting think it fair for this yahoo to cut line and believe me when he sees the angry mob, not just you, then they seem to rethink what they are doing.

Plus Disney is more willing to intercede when many are upset instead of you against him.

Good point. I for one would've started with what the OP did. If I got that response, I would've just gotten right in front of him and continued ordering. Pretended like he wasn't there. Then I would've said..Ask the people behind me if they won't mind giving you their spot because I sure will not! My children are hungry too yet they managed to wait like everyone else.

If this person persisted, believe me I would have made a scene, involved other guests and management. This person would NOT have cut in front of me without a confrontation and resolution that involved him waiting behind me.

 

[Sorsha]

I get what you are saying, line cutting itself might not fit some definitions of bullying. But when somebody calls them on it and they respond the way that guy did, it definitely becomes bullying. Bullying doesn't have to be physical.

I agree, bullying is over-used but this guy used intimidation against the OP resulting in him getting his own way. Lets not call it bullying, lets call it aggressive bad-manners .... I would have still stepped in.

What the line-cutter did was wrong and children especially need to see that it is not acceptable. We teach our children every day that line-cutting is wrong - you should hear them at school telling tales on the line-cutters - allowing an adult to cut line and not do anything about it is showing a child that line-cutting is ok if the 'cutter' is bigger and/or ruder and/or more ignorant than you.

I agree with what you are both saying, in the OP's case she handled it as well as could have been expected when dealing with that idiot.

My earlier comments were aimed more at others who posted that in ANY case of perceived rudeness they would verbally call people out in harmless situations (like people cutting to catch up with family in line or accidentally bumping a kid with a stroller or parade-spot infractions or in/out of the elevator confusion) and get in their face and "stand up for themselves" - sometimes just as rudely as the earlier culprit.

IMHO don't sweat the small stuff and just enjoy your vacation.

 

[stevenpensacola]

On a lighter note...a several years back we were at Busch Gardens Williamsburg's Water Park.

It's late in the day...park was closing in about 15 minutes...lines were almost non-existant now, so everyone is trying to get in their last rides.

My wife and I were huffing and puffing up the sidewalk, toting a large raft, heading towards to stairs, when I hear the pitter patter of little feet rapidly approaching...

I look back, it's two boys about ten, running down the sidewalk with their raft to get their final ride...we move aside to let them by...and as they depart I yell at them...

"you'll be old one day!"

They both looked back, smiled and waved. Was a nice moment.

 

[Sorsha]

Good point. I for one would've started with what the OP did. If I got that response, I would've just gotten right in front of him and continued ordering. Pretended like he wasn't there. Then I would've said..Ask the people behind me if they won't mind giving you their spot because I sure will not! My children are hungry too yet they managed to wait like everyone else.

If this person persisted, believe me I would have made a scene, involved other guests and management. This person would NOT have cut in front of me without a confrontation and resolution that involved him waiting behind me.

But what gives you the right to make a scene in public any more than he has the right to be rude?? This is the point I am trying to get across. Yes, he was in the wrong; yes, you have a right to stand up for yourself.

But why not do it with polite firmness without making a public spectacle to go along with his rudeness??

Can't we agree that society would be a better place if we didn't answer rudeness and confrontation with more rudeness and confrontation?

 

[Sorsha]

On a lighter note...a several years back we were at Busch Gardens Williamsburg's Water Park.

It's late in the day...park was closing in about 15 minutes...lines were almost non-existant now, so everyone is trying to get in their last rides.

My wife and I were huffing and puffing up the sidewalk, toting a large raft, heading towards to stairs, when I hear the pitter patter of little feet rapidly approaching...

I look back, it's two boys about ten, running down the sidewalk with their raft to get their final ride...we move aside to let them by...and as they depart I yell at them...

"you'll be old one day!"

They both looked back, smiled and waved. Was a nice moment.

LOL I love it.

 

[NC State]

I would have hoped that the cast member taking the order would have intervened and asked him to get in line.

I was thinking the same thing but most of the time it's someone working their first job and they are just as surprised.

 

[t_catt11]

This country was founded by outcasts and rejects who were the dregs of society where they came from and moved her to escape persecution. That was a wonderful thing. But they accepted and passed along that bullying attitude from generation to generation.

And there we have it. Those darned Quakers of four hundred years ago are to blame for the bad attitudes of today. It took a while to fester, but man, did it ever prove to be terrible!

Seriously, there are probably a multitude of influences behind why how people act like they do, but I cannot make the leap that the colonists of the sixteen and seventeen hundreds have a thing to do with line cutting at Disney.

 

[Ramsfan28]

I just got back and had the exact opposite experience.

I found 99.9% of the people to be nice and helpful. In fact, I tried to be the person that allowed kids or shorter adults to stand in front of me during parades. I saw CM's all over the parks being helpful and answering questions.

My only issue was a woman thinking I was cutting the line in Dumbo and she grumbled under her breath at me. I just smiled at her and explained that this isn't my 1st trip to the park and at some attractions like Dumbo, the CM's ask that you "fill in all available space" and I was doing just that. Also, that we all would get on the ride and if she had an issue with the CM's instructions that she should take it up with them.

Seriously though, that was it.

One of the better trips I have had in a long time.

 

[lisasuebj]

We will be there in a few weeks and there will not be anyone cutting in front of me without a confrontation. I am tired of the people who feel they deserve it more than you and others. It stops in 2 weeks! Haha

pmcneff, I'll be there in 2 weeks as well. I promise I wont cut in front of you. And you can be sure no one will cut in front of me! Going to WDW takes a lot of time and saving for most of us. I hate to hear of anyones magic being spoiled while they are there.

 

[Hannathy]

IMHO don't sweat the small stuff and just enjoy your vacation.

But that is you! To me I wouldn't be able to enjoy my vacation if I just let people walk all over me, that would be 10 times more stressful. It would eat at me all day much more than "sweating the small stuff" as you say.

You are not going to cut the line in front of me. It will not ruin my day to stop you or to say something to you, it would ruin my day if I let you.

We stopped some people cutting the line at BTMRR and once we did everyone else in line stood up for themselves and also mad sure they didn't keep doing it and were very supportive of us doing it. There was no yelling or cursing just a simple no and 4 people not moving altho one was a child but they didn't move either.

At the bakery I would have given my order and told him to wait and if the CM took his order I would have asked for her name and her managers name, and reported her and the manager because they obviously aren't doing a good job training their staff.

So if it doesn't bother you to be walked on then go right ahead and enjoy your vacation but to those of us that people doing that to us would bother us more, then expect us to say something about it. We are both enjoying our vacations.

 

[Pmctn]

Thankfully, at least, no squirrels were harmed during the slight inconvienent delay.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Answer to the original post.

All these are situations that the CMs should have handled. But specifically regarding the guy cutting at the bakery, sometimes a CM needs a little prodding to act. As soon as the offender told me what he told you, I'd just ignore him from then on, and tell the CM this guy cut, didn't wait in the line, and get the rest of the line involved. Don't make a huge scene but they'll gladly attest that he was cutting. The offender usually takes off at that point because he's toast and he knows it. You could mention security and if he's not gone already, he'll take off. And you might just get a round of applause from the rest of the line.

 

[zuzu310]

The CM should have told him to stand in line. "Good" PR for one rude person should not trump the good PR for 15 other people waiting in line. Absolutely ridiculous...she should have told him to stand in line and if he didn't she should have called security. As much as we all like to believe that Disney is a magical place, it still has to have rules for the sake of everyone.

 

[JetsetJAK]

I guess I'm lucky in the sense that all the times I've been at Disney I've never really had to deal with line-cutters or nasty people. The closest I ever had at Disney was during my trip in 2010 while waiting in line for a small ice cream cone in the food court at All-Star Movies. It was pretty busy in there that evening, and I had been waiting for a bit. I was finally just a couple people away from the counter, when this guy walks up to the opposite side and waves for the CM's attention, and says that he's just getting a small ice cream cone and doesn't want to wait in the long line for just that, so the CM made him his cone. I remember thinking that it was pretty rude of that guy to just assume that what he was ordering was so much simpler than what everybody else was getting (especially since I had been waiting in line to get the exact same thing as him), but I tried not to let it bother me since there was nothing I could do about it (there was no way I could have said anything to him without losing my place in the line that I had been waiting in). And I can't really fault the CM for serving him, since it was just this young girl who looked absolutely frazzled by how busy it was, and as somebody who's had a similar job I don't blame her for wanting to keep things moving (in fact, if I were to really take issue with anything about the whole situation, it would be that that poor girl looked like she desperately needed some help behind the counter!).

I have to admit reading about all these experiences is making me a little nervous! All my past trips to Disney have been family vacations that where organized by my mom or sister or whoever, and I would basically get a call telling me what the arrangements were. However the trip this fall is me with 4 friends who've never been to Disney before, and I've essentially been spearheading the whole thing. Obviously I want everything to go perfectly, so I would hate for an encounter with some nasty person to tarnish things. But of course, I realize that "Disney World" is still a part of the "real world", and you just have to be prepared for stuff like that to happen, so I guess I'll just cross my fingers and hope for the best! (and remain extra diligent with both arms outstretched while waiting in line for rides, lol )