Losing faith in humanity

[pmaurer74]

I just got back from one week at WDW and I did not encounter as much rudeness as usual. I did have a stroller o my toes and an elbow in my back at a parade and many clueless people running into my stroller or standing in the middle of a path. There were a few people catching up to parties in line and another family that had about 50 pictures taken with Mickey which annoyed us standing in line. When a guy behind us said "oh, it must be family portrait time!" I just shrugged and said at least we were waiting inside and not in the heat.

When I was in line for Rapunzel, the cut off the line one person in front of me before the 3pm parade so i asked those around me if I could walk my daughter to my husband so she could watch the parade. The CM asked me if I told those around me and I said yes. I then walked back to hold her spot during the parade.

I saw many acts of kindness on the buses and some rudeness. We were almost trampled by a group racing to get on the bus when we were trying to get off in the middle of an awful storm.

 

[disneychic2]

I just saw this and it made me think of this thread!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/pictures-that-will-restore-your-faith-in-humanity

Loved these! Thanks for sharing!

 

[larryz]

I just fail to understand how people who have otherwise played by the rules, stood in line, etc, can feel it is OK to almost get a reverse-entitlement thing going on.

It's like, "well I did things the right way, so now I have the right to get in his face and be rude or physically push him back because I am Right and he is Wrong."

Letting someone steal your place in line, an entitlement you earned by the time invested in standing in line, is not a "reverse" entitlementality issue. You have the right to defend your space in line, because you ARE entitled to it by virtue of the time you invested in waiting in line.

Keep your dignity, keep your temper, and hold yourself to a higher standard regardless of faith or anything else.

Keeping my place in line is integral to my dignity, I can do it without losing my temper, and in maintaining my place in line, I'm holding myself to a higher standard of behavior than the line space thief.

 

[canopynut66]

when this happens (and it does at some time to us all) I just thank god I do NOT have to live with that person in my life at home.

 

[JoeyAnyc]

I have to say, after being at Disney I've quickly learned that you have to enter a certain state of mind...and keep your thoughts magical! LOL

There are WAY too many obstacles to name, that on a normal basis would drive me nuts! I think after mentally blocking bad thoughts all day, I would have done what was necessary to make sure the server behind the counter was taking my order. One thing you don't mess with is my food! But I don't fault the original poster for keeping it cool. It's probably for the best, being you have kids around.

 

[chigirl]

The line cutting at WDW is out of control. They do nothing about it, which is why it is out of control.

The people who cut will push, shove and do whatever they want in order to cut...and Disney lets them. The official line from Disney management is, "We cannot control guest behavior."

I keep waiting for someone to file a lawsuit.

Cedar Point is TOUGH on line jumpers...they kick them out of the park. WDW is too PC to offend anyone, yet everyone affected by the jumpers IS offended, does not make sense...I just DO NOT let anyone line jump, people are shocked when I stop them, but I do. Learn some manners.

 

[Bullseye]

Disney does nothing...ever.... about line cutters. This is one of the things that really bugs me about WDW. Even when it happens right in front of a CM, they act like they're in a trance. Sargent Schultz "I see nothing, nottthing!!"

Two weeks ago when I confronted a guy cutting straight through the AK Safari line with a handful of cold soda's he said "are you kidding man, this is disney world." As if line etiquette doesn't apply there.

Year after year it seems to me like the number of rude and disgusting people at WDW keeps growing. It's becoming a real rat race.

 

[DizzDoll]

It's as if everyone has left their common sense at home. WDW is just getting too crowded. I posted on another thread that the World lost its magic for me. This will be our last trip for a few years.

 

[kaligal]

Cedar Point is TOUGH on line jumpers...they kick them out of the park. WDW is too PC to offend anyone, yet everyone affected by the jumpers IS offended, does not make sense...I just DO NOT let anyone line jump, people are shocked when I stop them, but I do. Learn some manners.

Yes, they do! CP says, "No Line Jumping!" and they mean it. You cut in line, out you go. No refunds. No nothing.

And guess what? Very few problems with people cutting in line. Surprise, surprise.

Nobody has to physically fight to defend their position. No pushing and shoving. None of it.

On the rare occasion that someone cuts, all people have to do is notify the staff and the person is out.

At WDW, OTOH, the line jumping is permitted. Hell, you can even be violent about it! Even if you physically knock people out of the way, Disney does nothing to you.

"We can't control guest behavior. We don't have the authority."

Cedar Point has the authority. Cedar Point controls guest behavior.

It will be interesting to watch what happens if this ever goes to court. Disney, by permitting it and taking NO action at all to stop it, even though they are very aware of the problem, is encouraging the bullies to physically harm others.

Other amusement parks do. It is a fairly standard practice.

This is one issue where I'd love to hear Disney defending their "Aware of the problem, but choose to do nothing" position. And I hope that when the day comes that someone...or some child!...is harmed when people are physically fighting over their place in line and that person (or their parent) sues Disney...I hope they have to shell out. It would encourage more lawsuits.

And THAT will make Disney decide that they can, indeed, "control guest behavior" and that they do, surprisingly enough, "have the authority" to toss line jumpers...especially the ones who are physically knocking people out of the way...out of the park.

Waiting ever so patiently.

 

[Glenn]

Have to agree with the poster that humanity sure has gone downhill. One reason I dont enjoy the world as much & go less often. When I first started to go in the mid 80s there were some people that were rude, some just got caught up in things. Back then people seemed to be there to forget the world & have fun. No cell phones, beepers people were pretty laid back. Now I have to listen to people talk about dinner back home during potc and forget the idea of no flash photography. My favorite day now is when its raining & lots of the rude ones stay at home not wanting to get wet. The Lord of the Flys book looks more & more like out world.

 

[dtum]

Cedar Point is TOUGH on line jumpers...they kick them out of the park. WDW is too PC to offend anyone, yet everyone affected by the jumpers IS offended, does not make sense...I just DO NOT let anyone line jump, people are shocked when I stop them, but I do. Learn some manners.

Amen! That's one of the reasons we always chose Cedar Point over the other parks in Ohio. Line jumping and rude people was so bad at Geauga Lake we stopped going and now they are gone. When you are spending so much money going to DW you shouldn't have to have your trip ruined by some idiot. Maybe it's all this "commando" touring thing. Get it done at all costs.

 

[DisDayz]

When I see something like that I remember things usually have a way of balancing themselves out. A couple of years ago we were in line for the Magic Carpets of Aladdin. It wasn't a huge line, maybe three rides deep but a family of four (mom, dad, DS about 10 and DS about 5) behind us felt they couldn't wait. Their plan was to send one of the kids ahead a few spaces in line, then one parent would catch up to the child. Once they were in line the other child and parent would use the "I need to catch up to my party" line and move ahead. When they were all together they would move again. As we waited I watched them move probably six or seven times, enough to go from one ride behind us to one ride in front.

Just as they are about to board the youngest son starts to complain his stomaching is hurting. Mom and dad tell him he will be okay and they get on a carpet. The ride hasn't much more than started until everyone in line hears an awful sound and sees the youngest son vomit all over dear ole dad. I'm not sure if the CM running the line had saw the cutting or not but I swear that was the longest I have ever saw Aladdin go at one time. All the while the dad is yelling for the CM to stop the ride and the CM is acting oblivious to the fact.

I feel bad for the little boys, especially the one that was sick, but my thought is fate stepped in and gave the parents the reward they deserved for teaching their sons the wrong thing.

So, when I see a line jumper, I just think back to this particular family and realize that while I may not see when the tables are turned, eventually they will be turned. That helps me to get back to having a good day, enjoying my family and teaching my kids to wait their turn and be respectful of others.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

We just visited a water park/amusement park in Louisiana and they have big signs everywhere that list a few rude behavior like cutting in line and profanity and at the bottom it says that if you see this report it to closest staff member and guest may be removed from park without a refund. We had no problems all day maybe WDW should follow a another business model for a change.I am pretty sure if a small local business can get this kind of behavior under control then so can WDW.

 

[robinb]

We just visited a water park/amusement park in Louisiana and they have big signs everywhere that list a few rude behavior like cutting in line and profanity and at the bottom it says that if you see this report it to closest staff member and guest may be removed from park without a refund. We had no problems all day maybe WDW should follow a another business model for a change.I am pretty sure if a small local business can get this kind of behavior under control then so can WDW.

Do you REALLY want big signs everywhere ASSUMING that guests will behave badly? I have been to amusement parks with those kinds of signs and it gives the park a whole negative different feel to it. And for what end? To stop a few teenagers from cutting in line? Dude ... it's just not worth it IMO.

 

[UNCFanatik]

I just think you cant compare the policies of Amusement Parks that are basically a one day visit to the policies of Disney. Its alot easier for your local Amusement Park to throw guests out without worrying about too much lost revenue. But with guest staying on property with multiday passes it becomes harder and more complex.

I wish Disney was doing more to police these situations but it seems like they made a business decision by not doing so. It would seem to only change if they were concerned more about potential revenue loss from guest upset with all the line cutting.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

Do you REALLY want big signs everywhere ASSUMING that guests will behave badly? I have been to amusement parks with those kinds of signs and it gives the park a whole negative different feel to it. And for what end? To stop a few teenagers from cutting in line? Dude ... it's just not worth it IMO.

I didn't necessarily mean big signs everywhere which really are no big deal I am sure WDW could theme them appropriately but whatever. What I did mean was if little old Blue Bayou/ Dixie Landings can stay on top of poor guest behavior so can WDW. They let their guest know what is expected of them and the consequences for acting like a jerk before they ever enter the park. Actually on my many trips to WDW I have never had a problem with teenagers cutting in line it has been self-centered entitled grownups like the man described in the OP.

 

[kaligal]

Do you REALLY want big signs everywhere ASSUMING that guests will behave badly? I have been to amusement parks with those kinds of signs and it gives the park a whole negative different feel to it. And for what end? To stop a few teenagers from cutting in line? Dude ... it's just not worth it IMO.

It isn't just teens. There are adults who will literally push and shove to get through the line.

Once it becomes physical, Disney should toss them out. Don't need big signs for that.

And honestly, even if they did, signs are better than people fighting.

 

[robinb]

It isn't just teens. There are adults who will literally push and shove to get through the line.

Once it becomes physical, Disney should toss them out. Don't need big signs for that.

And honestly, even if they did, signs are better than people fighting.

I have been to WDW many, many times and we usually go in late August and at the busiest time of the year (Christmas/New Years). I have only been intentionally pushed by anyone once and that was by an adult at DL. There are a lot of stories and anecdotes but just don't think the problem of pushing, shoving, physical guests is all that rampant . I do think that if a CM sees that kind of behavior that person should be ejected but I don't see where a sign will make a bit of difference to a person who will get physical with someone else.

 

[Hannathy]

Do you REALLY want big signs everywhere ASSUMING that guests will behave badly? I have been to amusement parks with those kinds of signs and it gives the park a whole negative different feel to it. And for what end? To stop a few teenagers from cutting in line? Dude ... it's just not worth it IMO.

If that is what it takes! And I'm sure Disney could make them very pretty with all the talent they have and fit them into the theme for each ride and area.

I also want to say I have never had bad behavior or line cutting by Teens. It has always been adults or families with an adult present.

Teens get an undeserved blame put on them much too often in these discussions.

 

[K9pal]

I too continue to lose faith in humanity. Now that I'm older, I can look back and see that a lot of today's problems revolve around the loss of respect for our fellow humans. It's a 'me first' society today. Everyone is so busy doing two or three things at once that the other person is not even on the radar. What happened to "Do unto others"? I always try to think 'how would I feel if that were me?' I'm not perfect by any means, but I find that I am happier when I make an effort to make others happy too.

We just returned from 4 days at WDW, and I have to say we noticed a definite decline in magic. My camera fell out of my pocket at a show, and even though I returned within 30 minutes, it was never turned in