Is it Juan-uary yet? Bachelor Juan Pablo dish - NO SPOILERS please!!!

[Dee77]

Juan Pablo is coming off better than I thought.

These women are trying to grill him but his reasoning is sound. He was obviously feeling more for other women and esteemed the single moms higher. I don't see a problem with that yet these other women are saying it wasn't fair? They sound like they're jealous, that's all.

Agreed!

 

[Elinor Dashwood]

No, they are upset that he kept saying he was trying to be fair, when he clearly wasn't -- and he shouldn't have kept saying so.

I disagree though. He was trying to be fair in that they all had a chance initially. But of course other women would go further, he can't take 27 of them on hometown dates.

 

[Imzadi]

Free Spirit came off more intelligently than she has all season.

 

[Elinor Dashwood]

Free Spirit came off more intelligently than she has all season.

Yes she did. It helped that her nipples weren't exposed.

 

[Imzadi]

I disagree though. He was trying to be fair in that they all had a chance initially. But of course other women would go further, he can't take 27 of them on hometown dates.

When he is sucking face with Clare in every other scene and skinny dipping with her, he's not being "fair."

I'm not saying her should have been. He likes who he likes and gets along with some more than others. We all do that with people in groups. He just needed to stop saying he's being fair and honest.

Honest would have been saying, "I'm just not feeling it with you."

 

[Imzadi]

Yes she did. It helped that her nipples weren't exposed.

 

[Elinor Dashwood]

When he is sucking face with Clare in every other scene and skinny dipping with her, he's not being "fair."

I'm not saying her should have been. He likes who he likes and gets along with some more than others. We all do that with people in groups. He just needed to stop saying he's being fair and honest.

Honest would have been saying, "I'm just not feeling it with you."

But but but...he felt bad the next day!

Did you hear Andi say she would've done the same thing if given the opportunity?

 

[Imzadi]

But but but...he felt bad the next day!

Did you hear Andi say she would've done the same thing if given the opportunity?

Yeah, but, I don't think she'd feel bad the next day.

And she wouldn't blame it on him.

 

[KBoopaloo]

Juan Pablo is coming off better than I thought.

These women are trying to grill him but his reasoning is sound. He was obviously feeling more for other women and esteemed the single moms higher. I don't see a problem with that yet these other women are saying it wasn't fair? They sound like they're jealous, that's all.

I agree 100%. I think that hearing Sharleen's impression of her time with Juan Pablo versus some of the other ladies was telling. She said that he did ask her a lot of questions and she did feel like they got to know each other. It seems to me that he just knew who he was interested in right off the bat and focused his energies on getting to know those few rather than having extensive heart to hearts with all 27 ladies. Should he have been a bit more open to "the process" and given more ladies a chance? Maybe. But I bet if you ask some of the other former Bachelors they'll say they knew who they wanted to spend more time with right off the bat and just went through the motions with a lot of the ladies. JP just didn't bother feigning interest and I can't really be mad at him for that.

Seems to me that a good number of those ladies could have used a copy of that book "He's Just Not That Into You."

 

[Wishing on a star]

Okay, I just want to change and explain how I began my last post....
I meant that comment in an expressive, conversational way... Not a disrespectful way! (I have changed that term, because, technically, here on the DIS, that could be considered a form of trying to get around the filter????)

Anyhow, NO, Juan Pablo has been anything BUT truthful or respectful.
No doubt about it.
He can try to paint his wagon any way he wants to.
All he did, thru the ENTIRE season, was do all of this thinking using the wrong body part.
He never once gave any consideration to whether what he did was respectful or truthful or not.
He did and said things that one just does not do or say.


And, I also found it interesting how the two women there who had allowed themselves to develop any feelings for Juan Pablo, and who had WALKED OUT ON HIM, still tried weak attempts to defend him. OMG... Somebody just mentioned Sharleen's comments about how she felt he did try to get to know her... But, every example and quote was NOT about her, personally, but where she had been in her travels. Again...

There is the old saying, you know, how Love Is Blind.

And, OMG!!!!! In the out-takes, when he said "My little package..." Seeing as how I had posted using the term 'little Juan Pablo' early on in this thread... HILARIOUS!!!!

 

[Elinor Dashwood]

I agree 100%. I think that hearing Sharleen's impression of her time with Juan Pablo versus some of the other ladies was telling. She said that he did ask her a lot of questions and she did feel like they got to know each other. It seems to me that he just knew who he was interested in right off the bat and focused his energies on getting to know those few rather than having extensive heart to hearts with all 27 ladies. Should he have been a bit more open to "the process" and given more ladies a chance? Maybe. But I bet if you ask some of the other former Bachelors they'll say they knew who they wanted to spend more time with right off the bat and just went through the motions with a lot of the ladies. JP just didn't bother feigning interest and I can't really be mad at him for that.

Seems to me that a good number of those ladies could have used a copy of that book "He's Just Not That Into You."

LOL.

He acted very interested with Sharleen and Claire. Think back and you can see that he asked them lots of questions and talked about their lives. Sharleen seemed to intrigue him the most I think and would've made the final 2 for sure. Claire, he really likes too and asked about her dad many times. Even though her hometown was weird due to her crazy sister, I thought Juan seemed to fit the most with them.

Remember too that this show is probably 20% what happened and 80% editing.

Bottom line is that Juan isn't the sharpest jalepeno in the salsa. I think he's rather simple minded and doesn't have many deep thoughts. That doesn't mean he shouldn't seek a wife, though just not a wife in Andi because her IQ is probably quadruple his.

 

[mnrose]

LOL.

He acted very interested with Sharleen and Claire. Think back and you can see that he asked them lots of questions and talked about their lives. Sharleen seemed to intrigue him the most I think and would've made the final 2 for sure. Claire, he really likes too and asked about her dad many times. Even though her hometown was weird due to her crazy sister, I thought Juan seemed to fit the most with them.

Remember too that this show is probably 20% what happened and 80% editing.

Bottom line is that Juan isn't the sharpest jalepeno in the salsa. I think he's rather simple minded and doesn't have many deep thoughts. That doesn't mean he shouldn't seek a wife, though just not a wife in Andi because her IQ is probably quadruple his.

I think you are off by a factor of 10 on how much this is "real". LOL!

 

[iheartdisney]

The chick in the bottle cap necklace sitting behind Andi... Was she really on the show? She didn't ring any bells.

And poor Renee, watching the bloopers, how much stuff hit her in the head during filming?!?

My thoughts on the pervert comment... I find it odd that Sharleen came to his defense saying they had this huge long conversation on equality and it that didn't make the show. Don't you think that if such a clip existed the producers would have added it back into the show, considering the HUGE amounts of backlash Juan Pablo and the show got. If I remember, it was pretty close to the beginning of the season that the comment was made so they should have had time to do a quick edit to get that footage back in to save the brand some flack. Which leads me to believe that such a conversation never took place...

And Bravo to Victoria for calling him on the "English is my second language" crap!!

 

[mnrose]

The chick in the bottle cap necklace sitting behind Andi... Was she really on the show? She didn't ring any bells.

And poor Renee, watching the bloopers, how much stuff hit her in the head during filming?!?

My thoughts on the pervert comment... I find it odd that Sharleen came to his defense saying they had this huge long conversation on equality and it that didn't make the show. Don't you think that if such a clip existed the producers would have added it back into the show, considering the HUGE amounts of backlash Juan Pablo and the show got. If I remember, it was pretty close to the beginning of the season that the comment was made so they should have had time to do a quick edit to get that footage back in to save the brand some flack. Which leads me to believe that such a conversation never took place...

And Bravo to Victoria for calling him on the "English is my second language" crap!!

Not necessarily. They had already decided how they wanted to "position" JP in the season....look at all the "drama" around Andi leaving. It "fits" their story that he's a bit of a cad. I don't put ANYTHING past these producers.

Seriously. Look at the way they pitched Sean and Catherine's wedding...and the FIRST thing they asked them last night was "how the sex was?" Who ASKS questions like that?!?!


The reality is that the numbers (people watching) are better this season than the last Bachelor. Any controversy only helps this situation.

 

[pigletgirl]

Not necessarily. They had already decided how they wanted to "position" JP in the season....look at all the "drama" around Andi leaving. It "fits" their story that he's a bit of a cad. I don't put ANYTHING past these producers.

Seriously. Look at the way they pitched Sean and Catherine's wedding...and the FIRST thing they asked them last night was "how the sex was?" Who ASKS questions like that?!?!


The reality is that the numbers (people watching) are better this season than the last Bachelor. Any controversy only helps this situation.

People who find it odd or strange that they wait for marriage before having sex. But, whatever they answered it and that was that.

 

[pooh6890]

I'm not usually one in JP's corner, but I think that show was pretty brutal. When someone doesn't know any better or not that bright, I think his feelings were hurt. Also, most of the women were pretty self-righteous considering they went on a type of game show where you "win" and/or try to fall in love with someone in weeks? Come on girls! Really?????

 

[Robinrs]

Juan Pablo is coming off better than I thought.

These women are trying to grill him but his reasoning is sound. He was obviously feeling more for other women and esteemed the single moms higher. I don't see a problem with that yet these other women are saying it wasn't fair? They sound like they're jealous, that's all.

Not necessarily. They had already decided how they wanted to "position" JP in the season....look at all the "drama" around Andi leaving. It "fits" their story that he's a bit of a cad. I don't put ANYTHING past these producers.

Seriously. Look at the way they pitched Sean and Catherine's wedding...and the FIRST thing they asked them last night was "how the sex was?" Who ASKS questions like that?!?!


The reality is that the numbers (people watching) are better this season than the last Bachelor. Any controversy only helps this situation.

The "suits" in production planned the entire show positioning Sharleen and Andi to be the ones who stood up for him. Every year they have a "Women Tell All That We Want them to tell the world" Show that is speckled to be what marketing wants their brand to be. Keep up the controversy but make excuses for all wrong doing.

Andi was given the biggest platform due to her new contract no doubt.

That being said I give him props for giving special notice to the single Moms. Only single parents know what they go through and he was very aware of their sacrifice. The other girls may have left a job and home but so did the single Moms PLUS a living breathing child who depends on them. JP knew that and treated them with kid gloves. I understand that the other girls didn't understand that, heck, I didn't understand it, either, until I became one!

I did agree with the girl who thought it would've been more appropriate NOT to meet Renee's child if he wasn't 100% sure, especially knowing what he knew. But inconsistent, that is JP's meedle name!!

It's okay...

 

[Robinrs]

I'm not usually one in JP's corner, but I think that show was pretty brutal. When someone doesn't know any better or not that bright, I think his feelings were hurt. Also, most of the women were pretty self-righteous considering they went on a type of game show where you "win" and/or try to fall in love with someone in weeks? Come on girls! Really?????

I think the reactions he got from the majority of the girls was a reflection of how he made them feel. I don't remember (and neither did Chris) any Bachelor having such MAD or disappointed bachelorettes. JP is subtly dangerous, not overtly but subtle. He can make you physically ill and he will have no idea and make you believe it's all YOU.

The People Article sums it up pretty clearly: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20793215,00.html

 

[Elinor Dashwood]

Here is Juan's recap from the WTA last night:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20793293,00.html

How do I start writing this after watching the Women Tell All episode, and seeing them complain about things that happened so long ago? Do I like talking badly about people? No, especially not about women. So let's see how I can write this without hurting anyone's feelings.

I think to understand the women I have to take a step back and remember that it's not easy facing rejection. Since I was on the other side, I perfectly understand their frustration, and after watching the show back, they probably feel like they wasted their time because none of their parts even aired.

Before I talk about specifics, I want to write about how it can be difficult when you're the Bachelor. Have any of the women thought about how hard it is to speak to so many people in such a short amount of time? Have any of them thought about how hard it is to speak to 24 women in eight hours? Then 13 in three hours, then 10 in three more, then five ... It's very easy to speak when you only have to focus on one guy, but it's much harder when the guy has to get to know 27 women. It isn't easy to remember all of the conversations or the questions that I ask, but I always tried my best and I wish the women recognized that.

I wish I could ask them if they could see how nervous they were every time they tried to talk to me. I let the majority of the women go because I knew that the process was too hard for them and that they weren't able to open up to me. I understand it's a very hard situation, but I always tried to find ways to make the women feel as comfortable as possible. The women I had a better connection and attraction with are the ones that I felt fit more into what I was looking for.

I knew what to expect from Cassandra and Renee because we are all parents. I knew that their biggest concern was also my biggest concern. We all had to figure out how to handle this situation away from our children. However, Renee and Cassandra's situations were totally different. Cassandra's son is only 2 years old, and he didn't understand what his mom was doing. Renee's son is older, and I learned how much Ben suffered when Renee broke up with her last boyfriend.

I understood why Kelly wanted an explanation about my gay comments because during my adventure we had talked openly about her father. I told Kelly that I would love to have an hourlong chat with her so that she can better understand what was misinterpreted and what my views are. I also want to understand her views and her experiences, just like when I listened to her tell me about her father. More than anything, I want to make sure Kelly knows how sorry I am that her feelings were hurt. I hate hurting people.

Ay, Victoria! During my talk with Kelly, Victoria really surprised me. Why did Victoria jump in the conversation? I believe she should have worried more about being sober on the show so she could get to know me rather than say something negative about me when she was there for only four days. Does she know me? Does she know when and where I learned English? Does she know about all of the times my producer and I would change words because what I was saying wasn't what I was trying to express? I let her be herself and talk. I respect her opinion, but everyone is not the same.

Of all the women at WTA, Sharleen and Renee are by far the women who got to know me the most, and I spent the most time learning about their lives. Did you get to see that with Sharleen? Clearly you didn't, and that's a shame because she is a spectacular woman. She was not feeling it and was always honest. I wanted to thank her for always being who she is. Renee is clase aparte (in another category). She's a sweet, loving, caring, smart and affectionate person, but unfortunately my feelings were not there for her, and that's something I cannot force. At the end of it all, I'm very happy that Renee found someone, and I want to send her my congratulations. I hope to be invited to the wedding someday.

Andi's situation – it's okay and will always be okay. Like I said, she was at the top of my list since week 2, but at that point in St. Lucia, her leaving did me a favor. I wasn't sure if she was going to make it through that rose ceremony, and she made my decision so much easier. I signed up to meet 25 women, not to marry, kiss and play with 25 women. So I was straightforward and honest, and like she said, I don't have a filter. When you are trying to figure out what you want in a short amount of time, you have to be straightforward. To me, that's definitely the best way to handle it.

I have a completely different opinion about what happened on our overnight date. I respect her decision, but in my opinion she should have told me in private, when we had no cameras, but I guess some people would rather do things in public.

I also wanted to say congratulations to Sean and Catherine and that they have my best wishes for their new life together as husband and wife.

Next week, my adventure comes to an end. I can't wait for you to see how it all turns out.

Remember to Tweet me any questions and I will try to answer them.

Thanks for reading,
Juan Pablo

 

[rmom50]

I've lost so much respect for him that honestly...I don't even think he wrote this himself.