Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[lilyv]

You had to look that up? I'll try not to use any big words in the future.

Hoping you're having a good day.

 

["Got Disney"]

You guys will appreciate this. I've said elsewhere that my formerly Republican father not only voted for his first Democratic candidate in the Florida primary-he also voted for a woman for the first time. He said he knew his vote probably wouldn't count, but since he was going to vote on the property tax issue, he cast his vote for Hillary while he was there.

Yesterday, a package arrives at my house: a Hillary sign, two buttons and a T-shirt...from Dad.

So ya gonna put it out on your front lawn and wear your button and T-shirt Sounds like your dad is a prankster

 

[MerryPoppins]

Nah, I'm just being an ornery Texan tired of hearing non-Texans complain about our process which has worked just fine for 32 years and doesn't need to be changed just because some people are unhappy with the result.

Nah, I'm not thinking it needs to be changed because I'm unhappy with the results. I'm thinking it needs to be changed in Texas because people in your state (Hillary supporters too) get to vote twice for their delegates. I don't think that's fair when I get one vote.

Add to that the fact that I think the caucus system is a joke. It allows for Republicans and others to also vote for our candidate. I don't like that. I think the closed system is more reasonable. When you're a kid and you're going to play a game and you choose teams....do you have everyone voting on who to choose next or just the guys on your side?

And I guess no one ever said voting had to be convenient, but it ought to be. I personally know people who don't drive after dark because they don't see well. Some people have jobs that won't allow them to be at a certain place at a certain time.

Come on. I can see with Obama's folks would prefer a caucus. It's obvious they are going in his favor. So you want these two states to go that way too. Looks like fear that if there's a vote it might not go your way. You can say we're afraid, but that road goes both ways. I'm not afraid of anything but a Republican getting elected.

 

[MerryPoppins]

Yesterday, a package arrives at my house: a Hillary sign, two buttons and a T-shirt...from Dad.

Good for Dad! I tried to get one of those shirts for my DD when Mom and I went to hear Bill Clinton the other day, but they ran out. I think I've turned DD into a Hillary supporter...not that it matters because she's only 17, but that's okay.

 

[va32h]

Nah, I'm not thinking it needs to be changed because I'm unhappy with the results. I'm thinking it needs to be changed in Texas because people in your state (Hillary supporters too) get to vote twice for their delegates. I don't think that's fair when I get one vote.

Add to that the fact that I think the caucus system is a joke. It allows for Republicans and others to also vote for our candidate. I don't like that. I think the closed system is more reasonable. When you're a kid and you're going to play a game and you choose teams....do you have everyone voting on who to choose next or just the guys on your side?

And I guess no one ever said voting had to be convenient, but it ought to be. I personally know people who don't drive after dark because they don't see well. Some people have jobs that won't allow them to be at a certain place at a certain time.

Come on. I can see with Obama's folks would prefer a caucus. It's obvious they are going in his favor. So you want these two states to go that way too. Looks like fear that if there's a vote it might not go your way. You can say we're afraid, but that road goes both ways. I'm not afraid of anything but a Republican getting elected.

If you want to vote twice like us, then lobby for change in your state. It's none of your business what we do in ours. It's not Texas' job to make sure that everybody in the rest of the country thinks that our method is fair and reasonable.

Perhaps I'm sensitive because I've seen the Texas party being portrayed pretty badly in the media.

As for the Florida and Michigan votes - it probably won't matter either way. If Hillary wins both states she will still not have enough delegates. It will still be down to the supers.

 

[MerryPoppins]

If you want to vote twice like us, then lobby for change in your state. It's none of your business what we do in ours. It's not Texas' job to make sure that everybody in the rest of the country thinks that our method is fair and reasonable.

Why would I want to lobby to change my state, when I think we have it right? I want voting to be the same all across the US to make it fair. I supposed you can say it's none of my business, but I think it is. I think we should all want to cut down on voter fraud and other parties skewing our votes. But I guess mabye I should leave that subject until it's not helping your candidate of choice. You probably can't see that right now. And I'm sorry if you're feeling sensitive right now that the media is ganging up on Texas. Maybe they're coming to their senses?

Sorry if I sound a little snarky, but I'm getting over the flu and feel pretty bad. I don't like for people to tell me what I have a right to think and what I don't...especially when I feel bad.

 

[angelmav]

I don't like for people to tell me what I have a right to think and what I don't...especially when I feel bad.

Yet, you have no problem telling others how you think they should think?

 

[MerryPoppins]

Yet, you have no problem telling others how you think they should think?

When did I ever say how other people should think? I just said I thought it should be uniform. Look, I voted for Hillary. That's who I obviously want to win in the primary. But I don't have any problem with Obama himself, at this point. Only with some of his followers who are coming here to try to rub our noses in the fact that he's ahead in the delegate count, etc. All I'm saying is that I think we should all vote the same way and have it counted the same.

Now just leave me alone. You don't want my germs anyway.

 

[Hound 109]

Nah, I'm not thinking it needs to be changed because I'm unhappy with the results. I'm thinking it needs to be changed in Texas because people in your state (Hillary supporters too) get to vote twice for their delegates. I don't think that's fair when I get one vote.

Add to that the fact that I think the caucus system is a joke. It allows for Republicans and others to also vote for our candidate. I don't like that. I think the closed system is more reasonable. When you're a kid and you're going to play a game and you choose teams....do you have everyone voting on who to choose next or just the guys on your side?

And I guess no one ever said voting had to be convenient, but it ought to be. I personally know people who don't drive after dark because they don't see well. Some people have jobs that won't allow them to be at a certain place at a certain time.

Come on. I can see with Obama's folks would prefer a caucus. It's obvious they are going in his favor. So you want these two states to go that way too. Looks like fear that if there's a vote it might not go your way. You can say we're afraid, but that road goes both ways. I'm not afraid of anything but a Republican getting elected.

Well said, but the main reason (imo) that FL & MI can't be a caucus is because we're holding these elections to determine the POPULAR VOTE (& the delegates). At the end of the primary process it will be the POPULAR VOTE that will determine which way the SuperDs go.

The instant it was concluded (late at night exactly one week ago) that NEITHER candidate would have enough delegates.....it became apparent that there HAD to be a redo (for MI & FL) & it HAD to include the POPULAR VOTE.

I don't want to debate this opinion (here) with any BO supporters as someone started this thread as the Hillary Lovefest Thread....no debates.

Oh...& this Texan attended the Caucus & Caucuses s*ck.

 

[TexasErin]

Why would I want to lobby to change my state, when I think we have it right? I want voting to be the same all across the US to make it fair. I supposed you can say it's none of my business, but I think it is. I think we should all want to cut down on voter fraud and other parties skewing our votes. But I guess mabye I should leave that subject until it's not helping your candidate of choice. You probably can't see that right now. And I'm sorry if you're feeling sensitive right now that the media is ganging up on Texas. Maybe they're coming to their senses?

Sorry if I sound a little snarky, but I'm getting over the flu and feel pretty bad. I don't like for people to tell me what I have a right to think and what I don't...especially when I feel bad.

As a Texan (born and bred), I couldn't agree more. The caucus is way off base. Objectively speaking, ust look at how far ahead she was in the primary votes. From personal experience, the caucus was inconvenient- DH couldn't go to the caucus as he had to work and I went but had to take my two children with me. DH and I both early voted in the primary as that was made convenient. Even without early voting and just going on the actual election day, it is made more convenient with having your choice of time to go as it is open for MANY more hours and you aren't just told to be there at X time.

Well said, Merry Poppins!

 

[JARNJ3]

I was so proud to vote for Geraldine Ferraro - and was shocked that my fellow countrymen and women didn't feel the same way. Remember how they attacked her husband the second she was nominated?

Any way - her latest remarks - unfortunately, I know people who agree with her.....

Clinton disagrees with Ferraro on Obama

By PETER JACKSON, Associated Press Writer 25 minutes ago

HARRISBURG, Pa. - Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday she disagrees with Geraldine Ferraro, one of her fundraisers and the 1984 Democratic vice presidential candidate, for saying that Barack Obama "would not be in this position" if he were white instead of black.


In a brief interview with The Associated Press, Clinton said she regretted Ferraro's remarks. The Obama campaign has called on the New York senator to denounce the comments and remove Ferraro from her unpaid position with the campaign.

Last week, Ferraro told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

She also faulted a "very sexist media" in the historic race between a man bidding to be the first black president and a former first lady seeking to become the first female president.

In the AP interview, Clinton said, "I do not agree with that," and later added, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters — on both sides, because we both have this experience — say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

"We ought to keep this on the issues. There are differences between us" on approaches to issues such as health care and energy.

Ferraro is a former New York congresswoman and was Walter Mondale's running mate when he was the Democratic presidential nominee in 1984. She has endorsed Clinton and raised money for her campaign.

Obama called Ferraro's comments "patently absurd."

"I don't think Geraldine Ferraro's comments have any place in our politics or in the Democratic Party. They are divisive. I think anybody who understands the history of this country knows they are patently absurd," he told the Allentown Morning Call.

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said Ferraro should be removed from her position with the Clinton campaign because of her comments.

"The bottom line is this, when you wink and nod at offensive statements, you're really sending a signal to your supporters that anything goes," Axelrod said in a conference call with reporters.

A defiant Ferraro dismissed the criticism in an interview with Fox News.

"I have to tell you that what I find is offensive is that everytime somebody says something about the campaign, you're accused of being racist."

She also said she was the vice presidential nominee 24 years ago because of her sex, saying if her name was "Gerard Ferraro" she wouldn't have been on the ballot.

The AP interview followed Clinton's appearance before an enthusiastic crowd of about 1,500 in the state capital.

On other subjects, Clinton described Sen. John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting, as a tough adversary on national security but stopped short of saying McCain is better qualified than Obama to be commander in chief.

"I don't want to use those words. I think that voters will have to make that decision," she said.

Clinton said her eight years as first lady and seven years in the Senate give her the credentials to stand "toe to toe" against McCain in the general election.

"I think Senator McCain will do everything in his power as a candidate to make national security central to the fall election, so we'd better be prepared as Democrats to match that," she said.

Asked what foreign policy crisis had tested her and showed she possesses the skills to be commander in chief, she cited her advocacy for the peace process in Northern Ireland and her speech at the 1995 U.S. Conference on Women in Beijing defending human rights.

"To this day, I will have people stop me or come to see me who talk about that speech and what it meant to them and how it set sort of a framework for American foreign policy," she said.

Former officials in her husband's administration who were active in foreign policy have said Clinton is taking credit for accomplishing more than some recall during those years.

Clinton declined to say whether she would accept an invitation to be Obama's running mate if he becomes the nominee. She recently hinted that she might welcome him as her running mate if she wins, but Obama ridiculed the idea.

"I'm not ruling anything in or out because I'm focused on winning the nomination," she said.

At the rally, Clinton said she has significant differences with Obama on key issues.

"Today my opponent is here in Pennsylvania talking about energy policy — I think specifically about wind energy — and that's great. Except in 2005, when we had a chance to say 'no' to Dick Cheney and his energy bill, my opponent said yes and voted for it," Clinton said to boos.

"All those tax subsidies and giveaways that have been used by the oil companies and others to retard the development of clean renewable energy ... I said no, and he said yes," she said.

 

[Planogirl]

I'm surprised that Ferraro would say such things. I doubt that too many people are really going for Obama just because he's a black male but I really don't know. However without evidence of such bias, I just assume that such things arel nonsense.

 

[JARNJ3]

I love reading opinions like this.

Its bumming me out that these two candidates can't find a middle ground and try to run together on one ticket.

I'm seriously thinking for voting for the "white guy" if this party runs roughshod over half of its members (and yes - I'd have a problem with Hillary not choosing Obama to be VP as I will if Obama doesn't choose Hillary).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/hillarys_still_in_it_to_win_it.html

March 11, 2008
Hillary's Still in It to Win It
By Rich Lowry

She's going to keep coming. The Obama campaign can tout "the math." Pundits can insist she leave the race. Former liberal supporters can complain about her smash-mouth tactics. But Hillary Clinton is not going to relent.

The New Yorker compares her this week to a Hollywood cyborg or zombie. To make a current movie analogy, she's the Anton Chigurh of Democratic politics. As the creepy villain of the Oscar-winning No Country for Old Men, the murderous Chigurh is an unstoppable force. If No Country is a movie about the inexorability of evil, the Democratic race could be about the inexorability of Hillary Clinton.

She's not electrifying on the stump, her campaign is dysfunctional, and -- truth be told -- she's not particularly experienced. What Hillary has is a shameless will to power, and a near lock on an old-school Democratic coalition built on working-class whites. That is enough for her to try to pry the nomination from Obama's hands one finger at a time.

When the Obama campaign and its supporters in the press say "the math" rules out Hillary, they mean that she will never catch Barack Obama in pledged delegates won through primaries and caucuses. He probably will continue to lead her by about 100 pledged delegates out of roughly 3,200 total. But nothing says that the leader in pledged delegates wins the nomination.

Both candidates will need superdelegates -- the 800 party poobahs free to vote for whomever they please -- to get to the magic number of 2,025 total delegates. "Math" obsessives assume that the superdelegates will go with whomever has the most pledged delegates. But why?

After Ohio and Texas, Hillary trails Obama in the overall popular vote by only 600,000 votes out of 25 million cast. If you count Florida and Michigan, which weren't contested, Hillary leads Obama slightly. Obama padded his pledged-delegate lead with overwhelming wins in caucuses that aren't as open and democratic as primaries. In the hybrid primary-caucus state of Texas, Hillary beat Obama by three points and 100,000 votes in a primary where 3 million people voted. But Obama will get more pledged delegates out of the state because he beat Hillary in a caucus where 100,000 people participated. And Obama is the candidate of people power?

The Washington Post talked to 80 superdelegates who said that if the race is basically a tie, they will support the candidate who matches up best against John McCain and will make the best president. That is an open question, subject to different answers based on ongoing developments.

It's time for Obama -- as the Hillary character said to the Obama character in the latest devastating sendup of Obama on Saturday Night Live -- to "man up." He can't throw the "kitchen sink" back at Hillary. Instead, he has to demonstrate his toughness by connecting with traditional Democrats on bread-and-butter issues, and by reacting to his newfound political adversity with aplomb (i.e., no whining about his press coverage becoming less worshipful).

When Hillary and Bill Clinton talk of Obama as Hillary's pick for vice president, they are targeting Obama's toughness. They surely believe that, faced with a Hillary who will go to the convention and spoil his nomination with a nasty floor fight if she has to, Obama will blink. That for the sake of his party and the cause of change, he'll take a unifying deal that puts him in the No. 2 slot.

Obama is trying to knock down the notion, but has yet to burn his ships behind him by ruling out running as VP in any circumstance. Unless he does, doubts will remain about whether he has the stomach for what Hillary will drag him through. Faced with the implacability of Anton Chigurh, after all, the "outmatched" sheriff in "No Country" retreats into retirement.

About this there can be no doubt: When Hillary said at the beginning of her campaign that she's "in it to win it," she meant it.

© 2008 by King Features Syndicate

 

[bsnyder]

I'm surprised that Ferraro would say such things. I doubt that too many people are really going for Obama just because he's a black male but I really don't know. However without evidence of such bias, I just assume that such things arel nonsense.

There's almost no difference in the campaign platforms of the two Dem candidates (I've heard it over and over again, from Obama and Clinton supporters). Yet blacks are voting for Obama in the 90-95% range. How do you explain that phenomenon, other than bias?

 

[Hound 109]

Everyone (Obama, the Obama thread, everyone on Mathew's & Oberman's show except for Andrea Mitchell) wants Geraldine's head.

I've heard that Ferarro is very ill & taking chemo.


Question to BO:

Should HC should throw Ferraro under the bus... before or after her next chemo treatment? Dude is stomping his feet & demanding that a historical Democratic figure (on chemo) be fired in disgrace. In response to this second firing demand, HC deftly tells him to (essentially) go pound sand.


Most telling - BO's win in Mississippi is the third story after Spitzer & GeraldineGate.

(& this after waiting 3 days to respond to HC's suggestion that BO would make a swell VP.....letting the story percolate on the Sunday talk shows w/o a response from BO.)

BO is smart, but I'm really starting to wonder about his stategery.

 

[JARNJ3]

Everyone (Obama, the Obama thread, everyone on Mathew's & Oberman's show except for Andrea Mitchell) wants Geraldine's head.

I've heard that Ferarro is very ill & taking chemo.


Question to BO:

Should HC should throw Ferraro under the bus before or after her next chemo treatment? Dude is stomping his feet & demanding that a historical Democratic figure (on chemo) be fired in disgrace. In response to this second firing demand, HC deftly tells him to go pound sand.


Most telling - BO's win in Mississippi is the third story after Spitzer & GeraldineGate.

(& this after waiting 3 days to respond to HC's suggestion that BO would make a swell VP.....letting the story percolate on the Sunday talk shows w/o a response from BO.)

BO is smart, but I'm really starting to wonder about his stategery.

Poor Geraldine - I didn't know that.

This whole thing is starting to bum me out. We have the democratic party essentially cut in half - and two candidates unwilling to work together to form one ticket, essentially throwing away - lets say for argument - half of the "half."

How is the democratic nominee going to win in November?

I fear McCain will slip in and take it - I also can't believe that I don't think that it would be that horrible to have happen!

 

[disneyjunkie]

There's almost no difference in the campaign platforms of the two Dem candidates (I've heard it over and over again, from Obama and Clinton supporters). Yet blacks are voting for Obama in the 90-95% range. How do you explain that phenomenon, other than bias?

Clinton can blame herself and her husband for that. Their antics have upset many that happily supported them for years. Some of us see them in a different light now. I for one don't like what I see.

 

["Got Disney"]

Well they did say tonight that Mississippi was a vote based on Ethnic Solidarity.....I have no problem with Obama getting 90% of the black vote mostly since his issues are similar to Hillary. I would have a problem with it if his issues sucked and he was not a smart man and they were voting for him.

If I were black I would most likely vote for him. Nothing racist about that remark....just a fact. Most of my friends that are black are voting for him because they like him and they told me they are not attributing his Change and Hope as far as the Country reuniting goes but Hope and Change in the way Blacks are still treated as second class citizens.

They are hoping that with a black President that will all change. I understand that and agree that that might just make a difference in uniting the country racially.

I cant see him at all uniting Conservatives and Democrats and if there is any inkling on how that wont work just look at some of the DEMS and Cons on the 2 threads...they are like bitter enemies.

so do I think that the votes would be different if he was a white man running on hope and change and that he would bring all the Black voters out and still get 90% of the black vote....of course not.....but I do believe that he would get at least half of them and also believe he would have gotten 90% of the male white voters instead.

Obama supporters please do not come back telling me I am racist because that is far from the truth. Do not try to put a spin on it because this is how I see it and so does the media that is why they even said that he was favored to win the heavy black areas. Not a big deal in my book.

 

["Got Disney"]

I hope that this does not turn into a race/gender war......because it will not just be a divide between Obama and Hillary supporters but blacks and whites and that would be terrible terrible terrible.....

They are saying that it could head that way being that Obama gets 9 to 1 of the black votes......we so what..a vote is a vote is a vote.....

they need to get rid of the Super Delegates....for ever I have been saying they need to go with the popular votes yet they say they have the SD because we as people are to uniformed and lame to make the right decisions.

When it comes down to it it has never been about the popular vote but about the delegates...so most of the time a candidate gets the delegates before half the states have had a chance to vote....just like what went on with the Rep this time...half way through it was a done deal.

We the people need to decide and they need to be sure that the people running are worthy in the first place.....

 

[JARNJ3]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23743690]Well they did say tonight that Mississippi was a vote based on Ethnic Solidarity.....I have no problem with Obama getting 90% of the black vote mostly since his issues are similar to Hillary. I would have a problem with it if his issues sucked and he was not a smart man and they were voting for him.

If I were black I would most likely vote for him. Nothing racist about that remark....just a fact. Most of my friends that are black are voting for him because they like him and they told me they are not attributing his Change and Hope as far as the Country reuniting goes but Hope and Change in the way Blacks are still treated as second class citizens.

They are hoping that with a black President that will all change. I understand that and agree that that might just make a difference in uniting the country racially.

I cant see him at all uniting Conservatives and Democrats and if there is any inkling on how that wont work just look at some of the DEMS and Cons on the 2 threads...they are like bitter enemies.

so do I think that the votes would be different if he was a white man running on hope and change and that he would bring all the Black voters out and still get 90% of the black vote....of course not.....but I do believe that he would get at least half of them and also believe he would have gotten 90% of the male white voters instead.

Obama supporters please do not come back telling me I am racist because that is far from the truth. Do not try to put a spin on it because this is how I see it and so does the media that is why they even said that he was favored to win the heavy black areas. Not a big deal in my book.[/QUOTE]

I don't think your statements above are at all racist.