Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[Peter Pirate 2]

Ahhh, but here we have a disconnect. HC supporters believe that she is a smart politician who will make a great president. A great many Obama supporters seem to believe that he is not a "politician" in the traditional sense; that he has come to "save" politics. Any suggestion that he may be just another politician, albeit a smart and capable one, is met by derision and contempt. Not as bad word can be said about Obama without his supporters going into a frenzy.

This is exactly correct. Now I watched Obama a bit yesterday and I'm happy to say I liked what I heard. I again feel I'll have no trouble voting for him should he beat Hillary, but all I have to do is come back here and listen to the Obama people bash Hillary and defend any discussion of their guy as 'negative politics' and I'm wondering again.

I'm sure Obama will support Hillary should she win the nom, it's too bad so many of his supporters won't follow his lead.

 

[va32h]

VA, whoever (whomever?) is nominated I hope you'll vote for him (or her). It beats the alternative (although i think McCain is a good guy) but he is unacceptible (i would think for all of us) on 8-10 key issues.

I used to say that I would vote for Hillary but I've come to realize that it's pretty pointless, at least for me. I am in Texas, a red state that is going to stay a red state in the general election. So why vote for someone I don't really support, when my Dem vote in this state is going to be totally meaningless anyway?

We really had a chance this year. But as far as I can see that chance is over. We are doing McCain's job for him by tearing down whichever candidate is chosen. It's not going to matter. Whichever side wins the other side is going to be bitter and hateful toward the winner and stand by while McCain is elected.

My husband is leaving on April 3 for his third deployment in six years. I had hoped this might be his last; that a Democrat president would bring him home but I've given up that hope now. We're going to lose the election and my husband will get to go back to Iraq over and over again until they finally kill him.

 

[wvrevy]

Bill Clinton was qualified in 92 & BO is probably qualified now....& both are "worthy" (as is HC).

To all Obama supporters:

- You're not kool aid drinkers, you're inspired by BO. Most HC supporters aren't. Doesn't make us evil & we can't be inspired if we don't feel it.

- All states are important. And since it became apparent that NEITHER candidate would get the magic number EACH VOTE going forward is precious. Please drop the sarcasm that HC or her supporters think that a state or voter is "unimportant". It's cr*p & it's getting old.

- I hope we can agree to disagree & still be civil.

VA, whoever (whomever?) is nominated I hope you'll vote for him (or her). It beats the alternative (although i think McCain is a good guy) but he is unacceptible (i would think for all of us) on 8-10 key issues.

Since you asked.

- No, we aren't all kool aid drinkers. So...why does the OP of this thread continue to insult us in virtually every post (and me personally in every other one)? That is what we are referring to. That said, Hillary has also hinted at this with her "sky will open up" speech and other comments she's made about Obama's supporters.

- We aren't quoting you guys when we talk about the "unimportance" of states, believe it or not. One of Hillary's top advisors has said the same thing, in so many words. (Mark Penn? I forget...have to look it up) It's honestly directed towards her campaign, which I think you'd have to admit has made some poor decisions along the way.

- Honestly, not much to agree to disagree about, save the "negative" tone that we see. But that said, I don't have any problem at all with 90% of the people posting on this thread (and certainly neither of the people I'm quoting in this post). I've thoroughly enjoyed the discussions we've had, Hound...even if you are completely wrong about everything.

Ahhh, but here we have a disconnect. HC supporters believe that she is a smart politician who will make a great president. A great many Obama supporters seem to believe that he is not a "politician" in the traditional sense; that he has come to "save" politics. Any suggestion that he may be just another politician, albeit a smart and capable one, is met by derision and contempt. Not as bad word can be said about Obama without his supporters going into a frenzy.

I also believe that Hillary is a very smart politician who would likely make a very good president, punkin. I think most Obama supporters agree with that. But yes, we do see Obama as something a bit different. Everything I've seen from the man indicates that he does not fit the normal stereotype, and that runs the gambit from his book - which is a real revelation if you haven't read it - to his style of speech and his campaign methodology. Do I think he's "perfect"? Not in any sense of the word. I do somewhat wish that he'd waited at least 4 years before throwing his hat in the ring for this job. But since he didn't, and since I still feel that he has the potential to be a great president, he has my support.

And please keep in mind, that the "frenzy" you see when you say something critical of Obama is very similar to the "frenzy" we see when we are critical of Clinton here on this thread. We both adamantly and passionately support our candidates, and that's a VERY good thing, in my opinion. I don't understand why people get their feelings hurt by this stuff, particularly when the criticism is directed at the candidate, rather than at them personally. I can assure you and most of the other posters on this thread, there is absolutely nothing hurtful intended by anything I've posted, and I would again like to apologize if any of you think I've "crossed a line" at some point. Just know that if I did so, it was not done intentionally.

 

[punkin]

I used to say that I would vote for Hillary but I've come to realize that it's pretty pointless, at least for me. I am in Texas, a red state that is going to stay a red state in the general election. So why vote for someone I don't really support, when my Dem vote in this state is going to be totally meaningless anyway?

We really had a chance this year. But as far as I can see that chance is over. We are doing McCain's job for him by tearing down whichever candidate is chosen. It's not going to matter. Whichever side wins the other side is going to be bitter and hateful toward the winner and stand by while McCain is elected.

My husband is leaving on April 3 for his third deployment in six years. I had hoped this might be his last; that a Democrat president would bring him home but I've given up that hope now. We're going to lose the election and my husband will get to go back to Iraq over and over again until they finally kill him.

I am sorry about your husband's situation and I realize that this election is more than just politics for you because of that reason. However, refusing to vote and letting McCain win by default is completely illogical given the fact that he wants to keep this war going no matter what and is not completely averse to starting another one in Iran.

 

[va32h]

I am sorry about your husband's situation and I realize that this election is more than just politics for you because of that reason. However, refusing to vote and letting McCain win by default is completely illogical given the fact that he wants to keep this war going no matter what and is not completely averse to starting another one in Iran.

But my point is that my vote doesn't count. The last time a Dem won Texas was what...LBJ? Whether I vote or not won't change who gets the electoral votes from my state.

It might have, if our party had a nominee we could all support wholeheartedly. A nominee that had been able to campaign against McCain instead of spending time and money campaigning against another Dem.

If Obama does win the nomination I have no doubt that McCain's camp have an ad quoting HC and saying "Even his own party thinks he's too inexperienced to lead this country." And if HC is the candidate, McCain's camp will have an ad saying "Even her own party questions her ethics".

McCain isn't going to win by default - he's going to win because our party chose to beat up our own candidates.

 

[Hound 109]

I used to say that I would vote for Hillary but I've come to realize that it's pretty pointless, at least for me. I am in Texas, a red state that is going to stay a red state in the general election. So why vote for someone I don't really support, when my Dem vote in this state is going to be totally meaningless anyway?

We really had a chance this year. But as far as I can see that chance is over. We are doing McCain's job for him by tearing down whichever candidate is chosen. It's not going to matter. Whichever side wins the other side is going to be bitter and hateful toward the winner and stand by while McCain is elected.

My husband is leaving on April 3 for his third deployment in six years. I had hoped this might be his last; that a Democrat president would bring him home but I've given up that hope now. We're going to lose the election and my husband will get to go back to Iraq over and over again until they finally kill him.

Thank you for your husband's service & for his (& your) sacrifice.

Even if you choose not to vote for President, you must vote for Noriega for Senate & for Congressman in Nov. We have to change the Bubba (act first, consider the consequences later) mentality in this state & country.

If HC gets the nomination (i say it's 50/50 at this point), consider what's best for your country & your family & please excercise your right to vote.

Our prayers are with your husband until he returns.

 

[robinb]

I used to say that I would vote for Hillary but I've come to realize that it's pretty pointless, at least for me. I am in Texas, a red state that is going to stay a red state in the general election. So why vote for someone I don't really support, when my Dem vote in this state is going to be totally meaningless anyway?

We really had a chance this year. But as far as I can see that chance is over. We are doing McCain's job for him by tearing down whichever candidate is chosen. It's not going to matter. Whichever side wins the other side is going to be bitter and hateful toward the winner and stand by while McCain is elected.

My husband is leaving on April 3 for his third deployment in six years. I had hoped this might be his last; that a Democrat president would bring him home but I've given up that hope now. We're going to lose the election and my husband will get to go back to Iraq over and over again until they finally kill him.

Please don't become disheartened. That's what the republicans are counting on ... that this in-fighting will make democrats stay home instead of voting against their man. Don't buy into it.

 

[Hound 109]

Since you asked.

- No, we aren't all kool aid drinkers. So...why does the OP of this thread continue to insult us in virtually every post (and me personally in every other one)? That is what we are referring to. That said, Hillary has also hinted at this with her "sky will open up" speech and other comments she's made about Obama's supporters.

- We aren't quoting you guys when we talk about the "unimportance" of states, believe it or not. One of Hillary's top advisors has said the same thing, in so many words. (Mark Penn? I forget...have to look it up) It's honestly directed towards her campaign, which I think you'd have to admit has made some poor decisions along the way.

- Honestly, not much to agree to disagree about, save the "negative" tone that we see. But that said, I don't have any problem at all with 90% of the people posting on this thread (and certainly neither of the people I'm quoting in this post). I've thoroughly enjoyed the discussions we've had, Hound...even if you are completely wrong about everything.



I also believe that Hillary is a very smart politician who would likely make a very good president, punkin. I think most Obama supporters agree with that. But yes, we do see Obama as something a bit different. Everything I've seen from the man indicates that he does not fit the normal stereotype, and that runs the gambit from his book - which is a real revelation if you haven't read it - to his style of speech and his campaign methodology. Do I think he's "perfect"? Not in any sense of the word. I do somewhat wish that he'd waited at least 4 years before throwing his hat in the ring for this job. But since he didn't, and since I still feel that he has the potential to be a great president, he has my support.

And please keep in mind, that the "frenzy" you see when you say something critical of Obama is very similar to the "frenzy" we see when we are critical of Clinton here on this thread. We both adamantly and passionately support our candidates, and that's a VERY good thing, in my opinion. I don't understand why people get their feelings hurt by this stuff, particularly when the criticism is directed at the candidate, rather than at them personally. I can assure you and most of the other posters on this thread, there is absolutely nothing hurtful intended by anything I've posted, and I would again like to apologize if any of you think I've "crossed a line" at some point. Just know that if I did so, it was not done intentionally.

I pretty much agree with everything you post. & do you have a couple of muzzles we can buy (or rent) for Penn & Wolfson?

 

[punkin]

But my point is that my vote doesn't count. The last time a Dem won Texas was what...LBJ? Whether I vote or not won't change who gets the electoral votes from my state.

It might have, if our party had a nominee we could all support wholeheartedly. A nominee that had been able to campaign against McCain instead of spending time and money campaigning against another Dem.

If Obama does win the nomination I have no doubt that McCain's camp have an ad quoting HC and saying "Even his own party thinks he's too inexperienced to lead this country." And if HC is the candidate, McCain's camp will have an ad saying "Even her own party questions her ethics".

McCain isn't going to win by default - he's going to win because our party chose to beat up our own candidates.

That's politics. We vote for the best candidate there is, not for the perfect candidate. Perfect candidates do not exist and have not existed since George Washington (unanimously elected and no one ran against him) but we still had some mighty fine presidents (though again, none of them were perfect). McCain does not have Texas all sewn up. No matter who the nominee is, I think Texas is still in play. Now, if you lived in Wyoming....

 

[Chuck S]

Don't be too sure that Texas won't go blue. There were more Democratic primary votes cast than Republican, at least in my normally strongly Republican county.

 

[wvrevy]

I pretty much agree with everything you post. & do you have a couple of muzzles we can buy (or rent) for Penn & Wolfson?

Renting's probably the better option. After all, who knows what the Republicans will be throwing at the Dem candidate come the fall.

 

["Got Disney"]

I used to say that I would vote for Hillary but I've come to realize that it's pretty pointless, at least for me. I am in Texas, a red state that is going to stay a red state in the general election. So why vote for someone I don't really support, when my Dem vote in this state is going to be totally meaningless anyway?

We really had a chance this year. But as far as I can see that chance is over. We are doing McCain's job for him by tearing down whichever candidate is chosen. It's not going to matter. Whichever side wins the other side is going to be bitter and hateful toward the winner and stand by while McCain is elected.

My husband is leaving on April 3 for his third deployment in six years. I had hoped this might be his last; that a Democrat president would bring him home but I've given up that hope now. We're going to lose the election and my husband will get to go back to Iraq over and over again until they finally kill him.

Sorry that your family has been separated over the last 6 years...and thank you for your sacrifices that you and your family has made. I agree with the other posters on that you must vote for Obama or Hillary. If not you may run the risk of him going back and forth for more than another possible 2 years....Like your family I have many friends that are going through the same thing. I live here in SD so it is very much a Military town.

WE have 2 best friends that are high up in the Military and they seem to always be separated....when one is home with the kids the other is gone and vise versa when the other comes home....so kudos for you both for your time in the Military....not just him but you too because you are as much in it as he is

I am sorry about your husband's situation and I realize that this election is more than just politics for you because of that reason. However, refusing to vote and letting McCain win by default is completely illogical given the fact that he wants to keep this war going no matter what and is not completely averse to starting another one in Iran.

Don't be too sure that Texas won't go blue. There were more Democratic primary votes cast than Republican, at least in my normally strongly Republican county.

That's right I think when it all settles down that the DEMS will do the right thing and do everything they can to keep out McCain. It may take a little time for some to come together but we are all so passionate about this that I cant see us coming together as one.

And the Dem's as you can see are coming out in droves so putting together both Hillary's and Obama's supporters together as one will wipe McCain off the map. And also don't forget there are REP that will vote for Hillary or Obama instead of McCain...like my DH he will vote for Hillary over McCain and he is a REP.

 

[punkin]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23709332]

That's right I think when it all settles down that the DEMS will do the right thing and do everything they can to keep out McCain. It may take a little time for some to come together but we are all so passionate about this that I cant see us coming together as one.

And the Dem's as you can see are coming out in droves so putting together both Hillary's and Obama's supporters together as one will wipe McCain off the map. And also don't forget there are REP that will vote for Hillary or Obama instead of McCain...like my DH he will vote for Hillary over McCain and he is a REP.[/QUOTE]

You would think so wouldn't you, but apparently there are some people out there that just don't see it that way. They prefer to take their ball and go home if they do not get their way.

 

[VolleyballQt07]

Thanks for posting. You write (& communicate) well VolleyballQT.

I defer to you on VBall knowledge & positions (but would prefer that you stay on the LEFT side ).

Your mom is lucky to have you as a daughter & of course you have no reason to feel embarrased. Sorry about your dog Socks (i noticed he/she?) died last year....but looks like he/she had a nice long life.

Good luck & don't forget to register to vote when you're of age.

No, thank you. I was just hurt that some were criticizing my mom for what she was saying. As much as I hate saying this...that lady is kinda smart and I guess she knows what she's talking about... Sometimes that is! hehe love ya mom!

And I'm not going to go to deep in this topic but there are 6 different positions for volleyball. Outside, middle, rightside, etc...And yes I do prefer the Outside although I am starting to like middle.

Thanks also about Socks. It was a BIG sacrifice we had to make but I know she's in a better place.

JMS stated

"I have PMS so put it all together and I was a ticking time bomb"
JMS, feel free to post again......
.........in about a week.

Ha I wish I could say that! "Sorry mom! Please come back in a week. I don't want to deal with you at this moment!" But no, I get her 24/7 in every situation.....lucky me!

One more thing:
~*GO OBAMA!!!*~

K, I'll go now.

 

[Free4Life11]

I'm a little annoyed at the editorial in my school paper today. They've endorsed Obama earlier, but their gist is basically since Obama won the majority of votes then all the superdelegates should vote for Obama. Four have already pledged their support for the Obama and the other two are "holding out." I guess I just don't understand the logic, the caucases/primaries aren't winner take all, not to mention Nebraska's electoral college isn't winner take all either, so why should all the superdelegates suddenly bow over and vote for the majority winner?

Here is the link:

http://media.www.dailynebraskan.com...ds.Help.Of.Democratic.Delegates-3261027.shtml

 

[Hound 109]

No, thank you. I was just hurt that some were criticizing my mom for what she was saying. As much as I hate saying this...that lady is kinda smart and I guess she knows what she's talking about... Sometimes that is! hehe love ya mom!

And I'm not going to go to deep in this topic but there are 6 different positions for volleyball. Outside, middle, rightside, etc...And yes I do prefer the Outside although I am starting to like middle.

Thanks also about Socks. It was a BIG sacrifice we had to make but I know she's in a better place.


Ha I wish I could say that! "Sorry mom! Please come back in a week. I don't want to deal with you at this moment!" But no, I get her 24/7 in every situation.....lucky me!

One more thing:
~*GO OBAMA!!!*~

K, I'll go now.

The future looks bright with kids like this one.

I look forward to your participation in getting Obama elected for President.....

.....in 2016.


Tear em' up QT....& keep calling them as you see them.

 

[JARNJ3]

I'm a little annoyed at the editorial in my school paper today. They've endorsed Obama earlier, but their gist is basically since Obama won the majority of votes then all the superdelegates should vote for Obama. Four have already pledged their support for the Obama and the other two are "holding out." I guess I just don't understand the logic, the caucases/primaries aren't winner take all, not to mention Nebraska's electoral college isn't winner take all either, so why should all the superdelegates suddenly bow over and vote for the majority winner?

Here is the link:

http://media.www.dailynebraskan.com...ds.Help.Of.Democratic.Delegates-3261027.shtml

That is annoying - because its not playing by the rules. Then again - the rules are - pledged delagates aren't obligated to vote for the candidate they are pledged to.

Would we could get some TX delagates to switch to Hillary - seeing as she won that state!

I heard on the radio - if the dems had a winner take all like the reps did - Hillary would be ahead - or would have won. But we don't. It is what it is.

Part of me thinks - if Hillary had no shot the party would have taken her aside by now. So, to me - she has a legitimate shot to win the nomination - with super delagate support of course. The same as Obama.

 

[robinb]

The future looks bright with kids like this one.

His mom, however, needs her own DIS account if she wants to come back into the sandbox IMO.

 

[JARNJ3]

I think this is good news for the party. I don't see how they can do it any other way. And even though those states moved their primaries - their votes need to count.

Though - I don't know how they are going to choose who to mail the ballots to. I guess they should have a record of who voted the first time. Should they allow independents who didn't vote before in?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8944.html

Florida Dems may get a recount

By: Amie Parnes and Josephine Hearn
Mar 10, 2008 06:22 PM EST


Florida Democrats were moving forward Monday with a plan to redo their presidential primary using privately-funded mail-in ballots, a key state party official said, even though some congressional and party leaders had yet to sign on to the idea.

“We’re huddling with state brass now,” the official said. “The spotlight will be on us. We will have a detailed plan.”

The official said the state party expected both the Clinton and Obama campaigns to eventually agree to the plan.

“They’ve seen the writing on the wall and they realize this is something they need to get behind,” the official said. “Both campaigns have reacted favorably to the idea so far.”

Both Florida and Michigan have been studying ways to hold re-votes now that the Democratic contest remains so close and their states could determine the winner. The states’ previous primaries were held earlier in the election season than party rules allowed, prompting the Democratic National Committee not to count their delegates.

The plan would be funded with money raised by the Florida Democratic Party and possibly include the help of the campaigns, the official said. The plan would also provide for the possibility of voting auditors and third parties to provide independent accountability.

The plan could eventually call on the state to play an active role in the mail-in primary, something Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida, has been actively pushing.

Under the plan now being considered, Florida voters would receive mail-in ballots, with return postage, in mid-May and possibly face a late May or early June deadline for returning them, the state official said. Before it could be implemented, the mail-in plan would need to be voted on by the state party before heading to the Democratic National Committee for final approval, the state party official said.

The DNC would then conduct a 30-day public comment period before allowing the state party to move forward. If approved, the state party would then need at least three weeks to verify the mailing addresses of the 4 million Democrats who reside in the state before ballots could be sent.

Florida officials had been studying alternate voting methods well before the current controversy erupted, affording them a familiarity with mail-in voting even though the state does not typically conduct its primaries by that method.

Michigan Sen. Carl Levin suggested on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday that the mail-in option might work for Michigan as well.

A spokesman for Nelson (D-Fla.), a driving force behind Florida’s mail-in plan, said the senator saw no other options to allow Florida voters a say in the nominating process.

“He’s pretty much wedded to having the state do this with the cost going to the state party,” said Nelson spokesman Dan McLaughlin. “We realize there are some significant obstacles but we also realize there’s no recourse.”

Florida Rep. Alcee Hastings (D) was amenable to the plan, if it could be funded.

“Look, if we can find the money and the voters want it, then I'm open to being convinced that this is the best course of action,” he said.

Another Florida representative, however, had grave concerns about mail-in ballots. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D) said the plan would disenfranchise many voters, especially those in low income areas.

“I really don’t think it’s a good idea,” she said. “It’s fraught with problems and now is not the time to be experimenting when we’re talking about stakes this high…We still have very raw nerves from the 2000 recount.”

Plans for revotes in Florida and Michigan have stoked pointed divisions not only in the states themselves but nationwide.

Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Pa.), an uncommitted superdelegate from the Pittsburgh area, enthusiastically supported revotes.

"They've got to redo that,” Doyle said. “There's no way we can go to Denver (the site of the Democratic National Convention) without those states having a say. Those are two huge states you're talking about. You can't disenfranchise those voters. "

But Rep. Jason Altmire, whose district lies next to Doyle’s, said he was against it.

“I don’t agree with that. A decision was made to not play by the rules. If they just waited, as Pennsylvania did, they would be fine. You cannot change the rules in the middle of the game.”

As the Democratic nominating process dragged on with ever more complexity and, in some cases, acrimony, one Democrat called on DNC Chairman Howard Dean to convene a convene a group of party elders to short-circuit the process and help decide a nominee.

“The road to Denver, as it currently exists, is dotted with intra-party explosive devices (IEDs) with the potential to blow away our party's very real chance to capture the White House,” wrote Missouri Rep. Emanuel Cleaver to Dean Thursday. “The Michigan and Florida predicament . . . could explode at the convention and cause more casualties than we could imagine.”

 

[jme829]

His mom, however, needs her own DIS account if she wants to come back into the sandbox IMO.

Ummm HER mom has one (and thats not my opinion its a fact) but thanks for the advice and for clarifying the rules I usually don't post, I usually just lurk and Brit posts all the time, so usually I just use her i.d. since she is always signed on, not that I should have to justify why I use it.

Thanks Hound, she is a great kid..hard to believe she is only 14 (15 next week!).

And thanks for the "invite" Robin, but I will go back to the Obama thread now, too much "poop" in this sandbox,