Does anyone think that maybe Michael Jackson was murdered?

[disneyworldluvr349]

Wow throw the pig in jail.

 

[teacups]

Robin you are so right.... one month and it still hurts.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

More bad news for that doctor on the news this morning....
paramedics think MJ had already been gone for a while when they were called. Doctor had storage unit, and gal working at said unit said a few of doctors staff members came that morning (of death) and loaded boxes into their trunks. She said she had never seen anyone at that unit before that.

Destroying evidence a few hours before the 911 call? Wow, if that is true, this guy is a real piece of garbage.

I heard reports of that this weekend. So sad!! Did he not even check on MJ after he administered the Profopol? It's bad enough he gave it to him but geez, he should have at least monitored it knowing it was so deadly. He doesn't deserve to have a medical license and should definately be behind bars. MJ would be alive today if it wasn't for this poor excuse of a "doctor".

I am very curious how long he was really dead before the 911 call.

 

[WaltD4Me]

While I definitely think that Dr. Murray should definitely be held accountable and serve jail time, I don't think his intent was to kill Michael Jackson. So I don't think he was murdered. And I also think, if it wasn't Dr. Murray, it would have been someone else. Michael Jackson was an addict who would do anything to get his drugs. He also had the financial means to do this. If he couldn't find someone here in the states, he could have gone out of the country. Yes, Dr. Murray bears responsibility for what happened, but so does Michael Jackson.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Robin you are so right.... one month and it still hurts.

I know, it hurts like it did the first day I found out.
I don't know if I will ever ever get over loosing him.
The problem with that is no one understands me.
They think I am a freak, or obsessive. I feel alone in my grief.
I just wish he never left me alone. I want him back more than anything.
More than anything else in the whole world...

 

[teacups]

While I definitely think that Dr. Murray should definitely be held accountable and serve jail time, I don't think his intent was to kill Michael Jackson. So I don't think he was murdered. And I also think, if it wasn't Dr. Murray, it would have been someone else. Michael Jackson was an addict who would do anything to get his drugs. He also had the financial means to do this. If he couldn't find someone here in the states, he could have gone out of the country. Yes, Dr. Murray bears responsibility for what happened, but so does Michael Jackson.

See post #133.
And remember who got him hooked in the first place... a doctor.

 

[teacups]

I know, it hurts like it did the first day I found out.
I don't know if I will ever ever get over loosing him.
The problem with that is no one understands me.
They think I am a freak, or obsessive. I feel alone in my grief.
I just wish he never left me alone. I want him back more than anything.
More than anything else in the whole world...

A few of us here understand.....

 

[WDWBarb]

I know, it hurts like it did the first day I found out.
I don't know if I will ever ever get over loosing him.
The problem with that is no one understands me.
They think I am a freak, or obsessive. I feel alone in my grief.
I just wish he never left me alone. I want him back more than anything.
More than anything else in the whole world...

I'm so sorry. I still find it very hard to believe and have felt very sad about his passing. The world lost an incredible artist and very good human being.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

I know, it hurts like it did the first day I found out.
I don't know if I will ever ever get over loosing him.
The problem with that is no one understands me.
They think I am a freak, or obsessive. I feel alone in my grief.
I just wish he never left me alone. I want him back more than anything.
More than anything else in the whole world...

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

I'm so sorry. I still find it very hard to believe and have felt very sad about his passing. The world lost an incredible artist and very good human being.

Thank you for you kind words.

Thank you

 

[WaltD4Me]

See post #133.
And remember who got him hooked in the first place... a doctor.

Maybe so, but Michael was the only one who could save himself. And if ALL doctors were ethical, then Michael may have turned to street dealers for other kinds of drugs. Of course, maybe he would have gotten clean, we'll never know though, because he didn't try.

 

[teacups]

Maybe so, but Michael was the only one who could save himself. And if ALL doctors were ethical, then Michael may have turned to street dealers for other kinds of drugs. Of course, maybe he would have gotten clean, we'll never know though, because he didn't try.

Thats what I find find so sad and such a waste... he did try. He had been in rehab but in life he was surrounded by so many peope who wanted a piece of what he had that they provided things that real friends would have kept away from him. Addicts are what they are because of a personality quirk (for lack of proper terms) Its a sickness. I think even though we see this from different view points we can agree that it is such a waste. I dont know this doctors life story but if he has family and kids now they will be without a daddy as well as Michaels kids. (assuming doc does time.)

 

[redrosesix]

While I definitely think that Dr. Murray should definitely be held accountable and serve jail time, I don't think his intent was to kill Michael Jackson. So I don't think he was murdered. And I also think, if it wasn't Dr. Murray, it would have been someone else. Michael Jackson was an addict who would do anything to get his drugs. He also had the financial means to do this. If he couldn't find someone here in the states, he could have gone out of the country. Yes, Dr. Murray bears responsibility for what happened, but so does Michael Jackson.

You obviously haven't read the rest of the posts on this thread. It doesn't matter whether the Dr. intended to kill him -- as a Dr. his level of due diligence is much higher than a non-Dr. ie he knows which drugs are safe to use, how they're supposed to be used, etc. etc.

And it it wasn't Dr. Murray, MJ wouldn't have died THAT DAY. What did MJ miss that day? What did his family miss that day? Maybe that was supposed to be the first time Blanket rode a 2-wheeler, maybe Paris was supposed to meet her first crush, maybe Prince Michael was supposed to throw his first 3-pointer in the backyard hoop while his dad was watching. How was that day any less valuable than a day in anybody's life, and who made Dr. Murray God and decided he wouldn't be held accountable if he screwed up?

MJ has to be held accountable for his own drug use -- if the preliminary toxicology results said that he had died as a result of a drug interaction, overdose of demerol, or something similar, then I would say MJ did have some responsibility. It would even be possible that MJ had taken a narcotic before he was given the propofol, and then lied to his Dr. about it.

But that wasn't the case -- the information given to the media is that he died from the propofol, so in that case Dr. Murray bears full responsibility. It's not just that he gave his patient a drug that wasn't supposed to be used outside of a hospital to treat a condition that it wasn't supposed to be used for ie. insomnia, without the proper equipment to monitor his patient or the additional staff that would be needed if something went wrong. It's that he totally failed to live up to his duty as a physician when his patient went into cardiac arrest ie. he as much as let his patient die.

People go into cardiac or respiratory arrest every day when they are under anaesthetics, but they almost always wake up being none the worse for it. Certainly, when the patient is a 50 year old dancer rather than an 85 year old trauma patient, the odds of waking up should be even better.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

This was from boston.com tonight:

AP source: Jackson doc gave him drug before death
By Thomas Watkins, Associated Press Writer | July 27, 2009

LOS ANGELES --Michael Jackson's personal doctor administered a powerful anesthetic to help him sleep, and authorities believe the drug killed the pop singer, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Monday.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, also provided a glimpse inside Jackson's rented mansion, describing the room Jackson slept in as outfitted with oxygen tanks and an IV drip. Another of his bedrooms was a shambles, with clothes and other items strewn about and handwritten notes stuck on the walls. One read: "children are sweet and innocent."

The official said Jackson regularly received propofol to sleep, relying on the drug like an alarm clock. A doctor would administer it when he went to sleep, then stop the intravenous drip when he wanted to wake up. On June 25, the day Jackson died, Dr. Conrad Murray gave him the drug through an IV sometime after midnight, the official said.

Though toxicology reports are pending, investigators are working under the theory propofol caused Jackson's heart to stop, the official said. Jackson is believed to have been using the drug for about two years and investigators are trying to determine how many other doctors administered it, the official said.

Murray, 51, has been identified in court papers as the subject of a manslaughter investigation and authorities last week raided his office and a storage unit in Houston. Police say Murray is cooperating and have not labeled him a suspect.

Using propofol to sleep is a practice far outside the drug's intended purpose. One doctor said administering it in a home to help a person sleep would constitute malpractice.

Murray's lawyer, Edward Chernoff, has said the doctor "didn't prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson." When asked Monday about the law enforcement official's statements he said: "We will not be commenting on rumors, innuendo or unnamed sources."

Murray became Jackson's personal physician in May and was to accompany him to London for a series of concerts starting in July.

He was staying with Jackson in the Los Angeles mansion and, according to Chernoff, "happened to find" an unconscious Jackson in the pop star's bedroom the morning of June 25. Murray tried to revive him by compressing his chest with one hand while supporting Jackson's back with the other.

It's unclear how long it took for someone at Jackson's home to summon paramedics, though Murray's own lawyers have said it was up to a half-hour. Paramedics arrived about three minutes after they were called and tried to revive the music superstar for another 42 minutes before sliding him into the ambulance and racing with lights flashing and siren blaring to UCLA Medical Center, where Jackson was pronounced dead.

Authorities arrived at the singer's house after the death and found a chaotic scene. The top floor had been all but sealed off, with only Jackson, his children and Murray allowed upstairs, the official said. Jackson's bedroom was a mess, with items seemingly thrown about and some 20 handwritten notes stuck on the walls.

A porcelain girl doll wearing a dress was found on top of the covers of the bed where he slept, the official said.

The temperature upstairs was stiflingly hot, with gas fireplaces and the heating system on high because Jackson always complained of feeling cold, the official said.

Police found propofol and other drugs in the home. An IV line and three tanks of oxygen were in the room where Jackson slept and 15 more oxygen tanks were in a security guard's shack, the official said.

Propofol can depress breathing and lower heart rates and blood pressure. Because of the risks, propofol is only supposed to be administered in medical settings by trained personnel. Instructions on the drug's package warn that patients must be continuously monitored, and that equipment to maintain breathing, to provide artificial ventilation, and to administer oxygen if needed "must be immediately available."

Dr. Zeev Kain, who heads the anesthesiology department at the University of California, Irvine Medical Center, said he has never encountered a situation where propofol was given in a home to help someone sleep. Such a situation would constitute malpractice, he said.

Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse who gave Jackson nutritional counseling and vitamins earlier this year, said he complained of insomnia and asked her repeatedly for Diprivan, the brand-name version of propofol. Lee said she warned him of the drug's dangers and rejected his requests.

Los Angeles police interviewed Murray twice soon after Jackson's death. Last week, detectives flew to Houston and, along with federal drug agents, searched a medical clinic he ran and a storage unit he rented. They seized a long list of items, including the contents of three computer hard drives, two e-mails from his administrative assistant at the Las Vegas practice Murray ran and various other documents.

A sealed search warrant approved by a Houston judge and later made public allowed authorities to seek "property or items constituting evidence of the offense of manslaughter that tend to show that Dr. Conrad Murray committed the said criminal offense."

http://www.boston.com/ae/music/arti...ackson_doc_gave_him_drug_before_death?mode=PF

 

[goin2disneyagain]

MJ has to be held accountable for his own drug use -- if the preliminary toxicology results said that he had died as a result of a drug interaction, overdose of demerol, or something similar, then I would say MJ did have some responsibility. It would even be possible that MJ had taken a narcotic before he was given the propofol, and then lied to his Dr. about it.

But that wasn't the case -- the information given to the media is that he died from the propofol, so in that case Dr. Murray bears full responsibility. It's not just that he gave his patient a drug that wasn't supposed to be used outside of a hospital to treat a condition that it wasn't supposed to be used for ie. insomnia, without the proper equipment to monitor his patient or the additional staff that would be needed if something went wrong. It's that he totally failed to live up to his duty as a physician when his patient went into cardiac arrest ie. he as much as let his patient die.

People go into cardiac or respiratory arrest every day when they are under anaesthetics, but they almost always wake up being none the worse for it. Certainly, when the patient is a 50 year old dancer rather than an 85 year old trauma patient, the odds of waking up should be even better.

That's what people do forget, MJ could not have administered this drug to himself. Someone had to do it for him. That's why MJ can not be held responsible the same way he would have if he took a bunch of pills and overdosed. He was under a doctors care and it appears that doctor administered this drug.

 

[redrosesix]

That's what people do forget, MJ could not have administered this drug to himself. Someone had to do it for him. That's why MJ can not be held responsible the same way he would have if he took a bunch of pills and overdosed. He was under a doctors care and it appears that doctor administered this drug.

Perhaps you make the most important point here -- propofol can only be given by IV. So for a person to give themselves the drug, they would have to insert the needle, then adjust the drip at the same time they were going under -- probably not even possible. People start to wake up when the drip stops (and don't wake up unless it stops), so the doctor would have to be the one running the whole show.

 

[C.Ann]

If the AP is correct, it looks like Dr. Murray could be facing manslaughter charges..

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Yes! There is justice in the world!

 

[Aisling]

I can't believe a medical doctor would give anyone an IV anaesthesia drip used for surgery to help someone sleep!! If MJ had such terrible imsomnia, his doctor should have had him admitted to a hospital to find the cause and treat it. If MJ wouldn't go, his family should have applied to the courts to have him committed to a hospital for observation, because anyone who thinks using surgical anaesthesia for sleeping is ok is not all there. And it's said he's been having this done for TWO YEARS?? It would have been safer for him to just wack his head against a wall every night to fall asleep! Using anesthesia to sleep has to be the most extreme thing I've ever heard in my life.

And the doctor(s) did it because he was a famous singer???? If I went to those doctors, would they have given ME the anaesthesia for my insomnia? My God, MJ was treated like he was Jesus, no one would deny him anything, just because he was famous!

 

[Pea-n-Me]

And it's said he's been having this done for TWO YEARS??

I can't confirm this (although I haven't looked), but my DH told me he heard somewhere that Michael had been resuscitated at least a few times before in that time. Has anyone else heard or seen this?