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I just don't understand the logic of banning smoking on an open balcony, but having a designated smoking area in front of the buildings where non-smokers have to walk through the smoking area to get to their rooms, and given the layout of OKW, that is what will happen...unless they remove shrubbery and put in new patio areas...at DVCers expense, of course.

If you read the article in the Sentinel and that DVCConvert posted the smoking areas are going to be in private areas that to me doesn't dictate in front of a building at all.

As with its policy in the theme parks, Disney World will designate outdoor smoking areas in fairly private locations at all its hotels. Disney instituted a similar policy last year at its Disneyland hotels in California.
 
If you haven't smoked in the room, there will be no charge. The identification of leftover smoking residue is fairly easy to detect. If one didn't smoke, there will be nothing to detect.

And the balcony?
 
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You let someone drink and they can drive drunk... Need I connect any MORE dots. (More folks die from drunk driving accidents then the amount of second hand smoke they get at DISNEY!):rotfl2:

I keep seeing this argument and it's just not apt.

You can't compare smoking with "drinking and driving". First of all, there ARE restrictions placed, by Disney, on anyone caught drinking and operating a motor vehicle. Fines, imprisonment...all the recourses available to them legally.

But not everyone who is drinking is going to drive.

Everyone who is smoking is, well, "giving off smoke".

With drinking and driving, you're looking at two actions happening in correlation, and no reason for Disney to assume one is definitely going to occur after the other.

With smoking, I dont see any reasonable assumption that goes from a smoker NOT expelling smoke into their environment...

What it comes down to is the minority vs the majority. Disney is going to do what it can to please the majority, and inconvenience them the least, because that is who is going to have the biggest effect on their bottom line.
 
And the balcony?

I imagine *that* would be detected by staff and/or neigbors. It's pretty easy for a CM to look up and see a smoker. It's also easy to call the front desk and say "My neighbor is smoking. Please make him stop. Thank you."
 

If you read the article in the Sentinel and that DVCConvert posted the smoking areas are going to be in private areas that to me doesn't dictate in front of a building at all.

Thats my point, there are NO "fairly private" outdoor areas that exist at OKW, unless they construct some. Most OKW outdoor areas have pathways running through them. And remember, that designated areas have to be easily and conveniently accessible, or people will ignore them anyway.
 
The thing to consider is it can also bring in NEW and more money from all the noon smokers that were staying away because they didn't want to get saddled with a smoking room at Disney so it can play out both ways. I am sure this will attract far more NON SMOKERS than it will drive away the smokers.

I would tend to agree with you. My point was if the folks who feel strongly about this stay away AND if their absence is actually noticed by Disney in the form of empty rooms, etc. then the policy would be reversed. Personally, I don't think it will be noticed except maybe in the short term as people who may have had reservations over the summer decide to cancel.
 
Personally, I don't think it will be noticed except maybe in the short term as people who may have had reservations over the summer decide to cancel.

Agree 100% ...and that little problem can easily solved by sending out a few more PIN coded discounted post cards :) Boy, they have us right where they want us, don't they? :rotfl:
 
Unless you're turned in by one of your neighbors and don't leave butts all over it, I wouldn't think this would be noticeable.
In the past we were never sure what Disney's policy was on smoking on the balcony. We felt we just had to put up with our smoking neighbors by going back inside the room and checking periodically to see if the air had cleared and we could go back out and enjoy our balcony. Now that the policy is clear, we will be more inclined to speak up when we're subjected to smoky balconies. I really hate being put in that position (ratting out a neighbor), and I'm sure the CMs at the resorts will not enjoy that part of their job that requires them to be the enforcers, but at least now we'll know that the policy entitles us to a smoke-free balcony.
 
Thats my point, there are NO "fairly private" outdoor areas that exist at OKW, unless they construct some. Most OKW outdoor areas have pathways running through them. And remember, that designated areas have to be easily and conveniently accessible, or people will ignore them anyway.

Well from having stayed at OKW a few times I am willing to bet the areas will be near the parking lots maybe on those little islands at each one easy to access and away from the buildings that would be my guess but who knows for certain until we see them.
 
In the past we were never sure what Disney's policy was on smoking on the balcony. We felt we just had to put up with our smoking neighbors by going back inside the room and checking periodically to see if the air had cleared and we could go back out and enjoy our balcony. Now that the policy is clear, we will be more inclined to speak up when we're subjected to smoky balconies. I really hate being put in that position (ratting out a neighbor), and I'm sure the CMs at the resorts will not enjoy that part of their job that requires them to be the enforcers, but at least now we'll know that the policy entitles us to a smoke-free balcony.

That will be an interesting dilemma for each member. I would probably be inclined to "look the other way" for the quick smoker or the "do you mind" smoker, but would be severely tempted to drop a dime on the ones who smoke for long periods of time on the balcony. I agree, it's not a comfortable position, but at least it's something.
 
In the past we were never sure what Disney's policy was on smoking on the balcony. We felt we just had to put up with our smoking neighbors by going back inside the room and checking periodically to see if the air had cleared and we could go back out and enjoy our balcony. Now that the policy is clear, we will be more inclined to speak up when we're subjected to smoky balconies. I really hate being put in that position (ratting out a neighbor), and I'm sure the CMs at the resorts will not enjoy that part of their job that requires them to be the enforcers, but at least now we'll know that the policy entitles us to a smoke-free balcony.

Not to hard to get around this just leave a sticky note on the room door on towel and trash day no one needs to know where it came from or what room you are in but the CM's will know what is going on and take action against it.
 
I'm sure the CMs at the resorts will not enjoy that part of their job that requires them to be the enforcers...

Some companies reward staff when pointing out things that save the company money, safety issues, etc. Now that a "cleaning fee" has been established, perhaps some of that can go towards paying for CM's that do enforce the laws.
 
An interesting thread. My two cents: One: it appears that many of the smokers (and several non-smokers) writing in this thread are, at heart, upset over the loss of control over what they feel is their home away from home. After all, Disney did not announce this new policy as ‘what a great business decision for us’, but more along the care and comfort of non-smoking guests. Using that reasoning, Disney may well impose new restrictions in future. For instance, one of the most potent allergies a person can have is to peanuts. Several airlines have stopped serving peanuts on flights since even the floating residue of a peanut can cause an allergy sufferer to have a very adverse reaction. Hence, Disney could, someday, ban peanut products into the DVC units, on the same principle as banning smoking. It can make one feel that they own nothing but the right to stay in a hotel room for a few weeks each year.

Second, about people who seem to want no smoking anywhere, anytime, even in designated areas: I am always a little suspicious about the true motives of people who complain about walking through a parking lot, or past the entrance of a hotel to go out to their car, etc., complaining about having to walk through a cloud of smoke, and claiming that this brief exposure affects their health and well-being.

Think about it: a rather common method of suicide is for a person to go into their garage, start the car (with the garage door closed, of course), and sit quietly until carbon monoxide causes death (I believe within 15 minutes or so). Now think about walking through the parking lot of Magic Kingdom, for instance. You are literally surrounded by fumes that, if concentrated enough, would kill you within minutes. Yet that same person will complain bitterly about passing within a few feet of a person standing outside smoking a cigarette in that same parking lot.

It does seem a little odd to me that Disney could not, at least, designate a certain number of DVC units as ‘smoking units’, preferably all in one wing of a unit building.

Finally, when DH and I visited New York City last December (just after the total smoking ban began for all hotels, restaurants, bars, etc) we stayed at a hotel on Times Square. My DH wanted to smoke in the room, since the ‘designated smoking area’ was out on the street, in the frigid air. I simply found the maid for our room and asked her if she could clean the smoke smell out of the room for $40.00 per night. She said yes indeed. Given her arsenal of cleaning weapons, I bet she did. Anyway, I imagine that bribery will be on the increase in Disney World in the near future.
 
Some companies reward staff when pointing out things that save the company money, safety issues, etc. Now that a "cleaning fee" has been established, perhaps some of that can go towards paying for CM's that do enforce the laws.

So let me see, minimum wage CMs are supposed to turn in suspects for a reward...no temptation there at all to falsely accuse someone, huh? Again, there has to be a way to verify and document, not just on the word of a single CM. And given the number of posts about poor housekeeping, I'd have to wonder if a housekeeper missed a stray cigarette butt on the first cleaning. I've certainly found things left in my room from previous guests.
 
Finally, when DH and I visited New York City last December (just after the total smoking ban began for all hotels, restaurants, bars, etc) we stayed at a hotel on Times Square. My DH wanted to smoke in the room, since the ‘designated smoking area’ was out on the street, in the frigid air. I simply found the maid for our room and asked her if she could clean the smoke smell out of the room for $40.00 per night. She said yes indeed. Given her arsenal of cleaning weapons, I bet she did. Anyway, I imagine that bribery will be on the increase in Disney World in the near future.

The housekeeper better be right about that cleaning for $40 because if I have to sign a document at check-in stating I will be responsible for $100's of dollars worth of charges if I smoke in my room, you can bet if I detect the slightest bit of leftover smoke in that room when I set foot in it, I'll be calling the front desk.

That's the longest sentence I've ever written!
 
I haven't read the entire thread...so who knows what kind of fun I've missed!

Anyway, I am a non-smoker and my children have asthma so a non-smoking room has always been very important to me. However, when it comes to DVC units I really feel some of them need to be left as smoking optional due to the fact that no smokers were told when they signed the dotted line and handed their money over that they would not be allowed to smoke in any of the villas. What if those of you that bought into DVC because you love the king bed in the one bdrm villas were told: "Sorry -- we've decided to remove all the kings and replace them with queens."? (I know this isn't a true comparison due to the health issues -- but I'm just trying to prove a point.)

I think the correct way for Disney to have handled this it to announce any future DVC properties would only be sold as non-smoking and therefore give people that smoke the choice to either buy there or not.

Would people that smoke have any legal ramifications from this? Could they somehow force Disney to buy back their contracts at the going rate vs. the $50/pt or whatever it is now?
 
Someone mentioned a decrease in maintenance costs by not allowing smoking....

Think of how much maintenance costs would decrease if they stopped allowing kids to stay in the rooms too. Kids not only cause odor, but "residue" on linens, windows, carpets, walls, etc. Rooms that are exposed, long term, to kids tend to be more expensive to refurb, and require more frequent "repair".

Ridiculous hyperbole aside:

The difference is, of course, the loss of revenue by "banning" kids would completely outweigh the savings in maintenance costs. I'd guess the DIS bean counters have crunched the numbers and come up with the fact that banning smoking doesn't.
 
Would people that smoke have any legal ramifications from this? Could they somehow force Disney to buy back their contracts at the going rate vs. the $50/pt or whatever it is now?

No. According to the POS and the Declaration, Disney has the right to do this. Given buyers signed documentation accepting the "rules" presented by Disney, buyers don't really have any legal recourse against Disney. The owners who dislike this change are, however, able to sell their contracts at any time they choose to do so, for whatever reason they deem appropriate..
 
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