All resort non-smoking

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

This is going to be another 'rule' that people either follow or don't follow. I don't smoke, but I can already think of a way I'd be smoking in my room(and that room will now be anywhere instead of just certain rooms or on the balcony) for a few days without a fine. I'm not going to post it because I like to use my powers for good instead of evil.

 

[darlak]

Here's the simple fact people....I'm still going to smoke in my room. Only now I won't be in a room designated as a smoking room. If that costs me $250-$500 extra for my trip, so be it. Nothing anyone can say here is going to change that fact.

I have never smoked in a non-smoking area at the parks because Disney has always made me feel that they respect my right to smoke. They have provided me with clean, easily located, comfortable smoking areas. This often isn't the case in other places, where the smoking areas can be dirty and uncomfortable. Because I have felt respected as a smoker at WDW parks, I have never violated their smoking policy.

 

[pilferk]

i think it's time to stop all the needless bickering and face the plan and simple FACT

i paid 20k for DVC, you paid 20k for DVC

you can go to disney and do anything you want that's legal

i go to disney and cannot do anything i want(smoke) and it is
LEGAL.

No, "I" can't. "I" can't wear heelies. "I" can't smoke in the parks (except in designated areas). "I" can't bring Fido along for the trip. "I" can't wear offensive, inappropriate t-shirts to the parks. "I" can't do lots of stuff I might otherwise want to be able to do, and is legal to do, on WDW property. At AKV, "I" can't even have straws or baloons in my room. Do those restrictions offend most people? This restriction is really no different.

last year when we went i had a smoking room and did not smoke in the room,
i went on the balcony.

to ban smoking on balconies or patios is ridiculous.

How is it any more ridiculous to ask you NOT to smoke on the balcony than it is to ask a non-smoker to endure you're smoking on the balcony? I'm being serious here. What makes your "right to smoke" carry more weight than a non-smokers right to avoid smoke?

The fact is, here, the majority is what's going to be catered to, because they are the ones that would have a more direct effect on Disney's bottom line.

when i get up in the morning usual 4:00 am(internal alarm clock)
to expect me to get dressed and go someplace outside rather than
just on my own balcony is asking alittle bit to much

I feel for you. Really, I do. But what it all comes down to is this: Disney has made a decision. No amount of griping or complaining is going to change it. The non-smokers didn't make this decision. Disney did. So, if you want them to change their minds, hit them in the wallet. Sell your points and stay offsite, or buy another timeshare that does allow smoking. If the bottom falls out of the DVC market, and occupancy rates drop, Disney might revisit the decision if they can trace those drops back to the smoking ban. My supposition, as I've said before, is they've done their homework and come to the conclusion that...well....continuing to cater to the smoker isn't a good financial decision.

 

[pilferk]

Here's the simple fact people....I'm still going to smoke in my room. Only now I won't be in a room designated as a smoking room. If that costs me $250-$500 extra for my trip, so be it. Nothing anyone can say here is going to change that fact.

I have never smoked in a non-smoking area at the parks because Disney has always made me feel that they respect my right to smoke. They have provided me with clean, easily located, comfortable smoking areas. This often isn't the case in other places, where the smoking areas can be dirty and uncomfortable. Because I have felt respected as a smoker at WDW parks, I have never violated their smoking policy.

Your right and your decision. However, nobody will likely care or notice because your fee will ensure cleaning to the point where the smell of your smoking won't be present anymore.

And, of course, there's no telling what repeated "violations" will do if you're a DVC member......that piece remains to be seen.

 

[JerJan]

Here's the simple fact people....I'm still going to smoke in my room. Only now I won't be in a room designated as a smoking room. If that costs me $250-$500 extra for my trip, so be it. Nothing anyone can say here is going to change that fact.

I have never smoked in a non-smoking area at the parks because Disney has always made me feel that they respect my right to smoke. They have provided me with clean, easily located, comfortable smoking areas. This often isn't the case in other places, where the smoking areas can be dirty and uncomfortable. Because I have felt respected as a smoker at WDW parks, I have never violated their smoking policy.

OK...that was such a MATURE statement!

 

[LisaS]

Here's the simple fact people....I'm still going to smoke in my room. Only now I won't be in a room designated as a smoking room. If that costs me $250-$500 extra for my trip, so be it. Nothing anyone can say here is going to change that fact.

It will be interesting to see what options Disney has in this situation. For example, maybe they can make it a $500 fine the first time, $1000 for the second offense, $1500 for the third offense, etc. Eventually they will reach a price that even a die-hard smoker is not willing to pay.

If every time I stayed at a DVC resort I damaged the room, causing DVC to have to take the room out of service for repairs/cleaning, but I willingly paid for any damage I did, would they continue to allow me to make reservations? Could a particular member become viewed as more trouble than he/she is worth and can/would DVC kick someone out of the vacation club for continuing to violate the rules? Just curious...

 

[DVCconvert]

I haven't read the entire thread...so who knows what kind of fun I've missed!

Anyway, I am a non-smoker and my children have asthma so a non-smoking room has always been very important to me. However, when it comes to DVC units I really feel some of them need to be left as smoking optional due to the fact that no smokers were told when they signed the dotted line and handed their money over that they would not be allowed to smoke in any of the villas. What if those of you that bought into DVC because you love the king bed in the one bdrm villas were told: "Sorry -- we've decided to remove all the kings and replace them with queens."? (I know this isn't a true comparison due to the health issues -- but I'm just trying to prove a point.)

I think the correct way for Disney to have handled this it to announce any future DVC properties would only be sold as non-smoking and therefore give people that smoke the choice to either buy there or not.....

Excellent idea - and or perhaps where possible (i.e., OKW, SSR) dedicated building(s) - available first come first served otherwise out of luck on smoking guaranteed.

 

[pilferk]

You have your nonsmoking room to step back into if the smoke outside bothers you.

As you would have (or, rather, a smoker would have) a provided smoking area to go to in order to smoke.

Again, I ask the serious question: Why should the smokers "right to smoke" trump the non-smokers right to enjoy the balcony/patio that is part of their room at any time they wish?

I'm honestly not trying to be combative on this. I just want an honest answer from someone....it just doesn't make logical sense to me.

 

[jodifla]

So, is this draconian rule actually posted on the DVC site yet??? Interesting that they pulled it back yesterday.


Obviously, they are reconsidering something.

 

[darlak]

OK...that was such a MATURE statement!

Such intelligent rebuttal

 

[pilferk]

So, is this draconian rule actually posted on the DVC site yet??? Interesting that they pulled it back yesterday.

Obviously, they are reconsidering something.

It was posted before it was supposed to be. It'll be back.

They're not reconsidering anything, FYI.

 

[jodifla]

It was posted before it was supposed to be. It'll be back.

They're not reconsidering anything, FYI.

and how on earth do you know?

 

[jarestel]

Here's the simple fact people....I'm still going to smoke in my room. Only now I won't be in a room designated as a smoking room. If that costs me $250-$500 extra for my trip, so be it. Nothing anyone can say here is going to change that fact.

As long as the room is clean and smoke free for the next guest, who cares? If it's worth it to you, go for it!

 

[Chuck S]

It was posted before it was supposed to be. It'll be back.

They're not reconsidering anything, FYI.

Really, it's been released to the newspapers...it would be nice if they'd give members the respect to announce it a month in advance of implementation. Actually, it SHOULD have been announced before that, to give folks with existing June reservations for smoking rooms the ability to cancel without having points go into holding.

 

[Youarehere]

True enough! But it is still unfair for nonsmokers to share the costs created by smoking. And 3.5% is just the current rate -- the numbers used to be higher and DVC has been around for 15+ years. Costs add up over time, and nonsmokers have been sharing the cost equally for all those years. In fact, there are ongoing costs associated with setting aside and maintaining smoking areas -- I suppose the oft-ridiculed nonsmokers will still be expected to share those costs.

Well, I don't use the pool so you can apply my pool portion of fees towards the smoking area upkeep. Or we could just do away with the pool. It will lower maintainance fees and the chlorine in the air irritates my skin.

 

[Dreamfinder2]

Reading this thread sure has been a lot more fun than working this morning.

I don't know who the poster was, but the phrase "smokers lose, non-smokers win" pretty well sums up the last twentysomething pages.

This much I do know: The Disney Powers that Be didn't just wake up one morning and say, "Gee, let's make all Disney properties non-smoking." There was a lot of thought, bean counting, and bottom lining that went into the decision. They are just bowing to the desires of the majority.

And the die has been cast. Disney has just placed themselves in the vanguard of what is to come. As Bob Dylan said, "the times, they are a-changing," and we'll see the banishment of all smoking except in very limited designated areas nationwide in our lifetimes. I wouldn't be too surprised to see it banned altogether except in private homes or autos. To the extent that we can all accept the inevitable, the happier (or, at least, the more resigned) we can be.

That last sentence makes me sound like a defeatist. Oh well.

 

[F4disneyfan]

Here's the simple fact people....I'm still going to smoke in my room. Only now I won't be in a room designated as a smoking room. If that costs me $250-$500 extra for my trip, so be it. Nothing anyone can say here is going to change that fact.

I have never smoked in a non-smoking area at the parks because Disney has always made me feel that they respect my right to smoke. They have provided me with clean, easily located, comfortable smoking areas. This often isn't the case in other places, where the smoking areas can be dirty and uncomfortable. Because I have felt respected as a smoker at WDW parks, I have never violated their smoking policy.

Funny how it states 250-500 no mention if that is per night etc. I am sure they will tweak this especially if people like yourself continue to go against the outlined stipulations. So it could end up costing you 250-500 a night and that could get very very expensive. I myself hope they do it this way or even suspend use of points for repeated violations.

 

[darlak]

Wow! That speaks volumes about your character.

(When your children never follow any rules and/or regulations, please don't complain, they'll have learned it from your fine example)

Thanks for that valuable insight, but 3 of my 4 children are adults. One of those is a college grad and the other two are working on becoming one. Never had any problems with the law with any of them. They are respectful and thoughful individuals. Here's hoping your's turn out half as well, bless your heart.

 

[pilferk]

and how on earth do you know?

The exact same way you could verify it:

Call Member Services and ask them.

 

[pilferk]

Really, it's been released to the newspapers...it would be nice if they'd give members the respect to announce it a month in advance of implementation. Actually, it SHOULD have been announced before that, to give folks with existing June reservations for smoking rooms the ability to cancel without having points go into holding.

I agree with that, for sure. It was announced rather abruptly and could have been handled with a bit more notice.