Which DVC units get deposited in II?

[FLYNZ4]

I have a question about Interval International trades. Spefically... does DVC have exclusive rights to determine WHICH properties are deposited into II.

The reason that I am asking is because it would seem that the only "fair" way of DVC providing deposits... is to use the same resort in which the DVC member used points for the outbound exchange.

It seems to me that the vast majority of II inbound exchange opportunities are either for SSR or for OKW. Possibly this is in the same proportion as SSR/OKW owners use II for outbound exchanges... but this does not seem to be the case by my casual observation. Also... To the best of my knowledge... there are no inbound exchanges yet for AKV... yet I am pretty sure that AKV owners are not barred from making II exchanges. If so... then there has to be an imbalance on this basis alone.

To illustrate the problem, we can create a worse case scenario. Let's assume that DVC was to only to deposit weeks into II from VWL, which I believe is the smallest DVC resort. If in fact that this happened... then owners at VWL would be impacted as all the owners booked II exchanges... and VWL owners would feel the impact of losing their available inventory... potentially giving them no place to book until the 7 month window. Now clearly this is an unrealistic example... but specifically chosen to show why DVC inventory should be deposited into II based on the specific points used for II outbound exchanges.

I would love to hear about the actual algorithm that DVC uses... and also any factual based arguments dis-proving my casual observations.

/Jim

 

[ZekeKelso]

I don't know what the algorithm is, but I disagree that they should deposit rooms at the traders home resort. It should be the rooms least likely to be wanted by DVC members. Many other systems give the most desired rooms to members and the leftovers to traders - why should DVC be different?

 

[Starr W.]

I don't know what the algorithm is, but I disagree that they should deposit rooms at the traders home resort. It should be the rooms least likely to be wanted by DVC members. Many other systems give the most desired rooms to members and the leftovers to traders - why should DVC be different?

I have seen all resorts on II, the thing is what time of year do they make the reservations with the points to deposit the weeks. I don't know if you only have BWV points if they take a BWV reservation and deposit it in.

Most of what I have seen recently is HHI in November& December, VB -Sept-onwards. The WDW resorts in Aug-Sept. A few months ago I saw a BCV studio for the first week of October. I have seen BWV and VWL, along with OKW and SSR.

Now I know there are a lot of on going searches for DVC, so maybe the better weeks are taken up by those, never to see the light of day.

I do know someone who got a GV at OKW through II.

 

[Brian Noble]

It's hard to know for sure what gets deposited and what doesn't---spot-checks on II only show you the units for which there were no pending requests. It's not hard to imagine that some resorts are more frequently requested than others, so you're seeing a "filtered sample" of deposits biased away from the more oft-requested resorts.

I have no idea how the decision is actually made, but as you say, it can't be tied exclusively to home resort, because AKV is not yet listed in II, yet I'm sure those members can exchange. It certainly appears (again, subject to filtering bias) that DVC tends to deposit more units during times when Member demand is lower at resorts that are less popular for the members, but some high-demand times/units do show up.

I know someone who exchanged into an OKW GV. Granted, it was September, but still.

I think it would be prudent on DVC's part to exchange the "least demanded" unit that can actually satisfy a given member's request. That preserves the best possible inventory for other members to book, while meeting the exchanging member's needs.

I know for certain that Wyndham---which controls all UDI deposits---gives primarily older resorts at shoulder season times to RCI, to the point where Wyndham UDI trade power is actually quite mediocre. (Wyndham UDI deposits are "averaged" across all of the backing weeks.) As a Wyndham owner, I must admit I'm okay with that. I use standalone fixed weeks in RCI instead---they have better trade power, and offer much better value. Wyndham UDIs usually provide better value when used for internal bookings, though there are exceptions.

 

[PlainJane]

I have no idea how it works, but all of our stays at DVC have been through II exchanges.

We've stayed in every room category at OKW and SSR (except GV).

Beyond that we have stayed in studios at BWV (BW view) and VWL.

We had the option of a studio or a one bedroom for our next trip to VWL.

We also had a week in a studio at BCV for the week before Christmas, but decided to cancel to go to BWV again in January (January was easier on the college schedule).

Our trips have been in January, February, May, June, July, August, September,and November.

I just wrote this to show that they don't just give the undesirable rooms to II trades. So far there is more availability at the larger resorts, which makes sense, but it's still far from impossible to trade into the smaller resorts if you have a good week to trade. If it's close to impossible to trade into AKV in the next year or two, I would say there is something fishy, but right now everything seems to be on the up and up.

 

[FLYNZ4]

spot-checks on II only show you the units for which there were no pending requests.

Excellent point... and one that I considered as well. I just didn't put it in OP because it was getting too long already. This makes it hard to get an accurate picture of what is happening. My hope was that someone here knows for certain how DVC manages inventory deposited into II.

Back to the question... I do think it is fair game to deposit the less used seasons... since they do consume points from that particular resort. It just seams that if points from a particular resort are consumed by II... then the corresponding resorts should be deposited. Otherwise... certain DVC members (like me owning some SSR) are being impacted because their "home booking advantage" inventory is being consumed by people who do not own points at their resort.

I know someone who exchanged into an OKW GV. Granted, it was September, but still.

I know this person too... and I also know of a 2nd one for this upcoming Sept.


/Jim

 

[FLYNZ4]

I have no idea how it works, but all of our stays at DVC have been through II exchanges.

We've stayed in every room category at OKW and SSR (except GV).

Beyond that we have stayed in studios at BWV (BW view) and VWL.

We had the option of a studio or a one bedroom for our next trip to VWL.

We also had a week in a studio at BCV for the week before Christmas, but decided to cancel to go to BWV again in January (January was easier on the college schedule).

Our trips have been in January, February, May, June, July, August, September,and November.

I just wrote this to show that they don't just give the undesirable rooms to II trades. So far there is more availability at the larger resorts, which makes sense, but it's still far from impossible to trade into the smaller resorts if you have a good week to trade. If it's close to impossible to trade into AKV in the next year or two, I would say there is something fishy, but right now everything seems to be on the up and up.

Most of my DVC reservations are using my DVC points... but I have received 2BR exchanges into OKW and SSR... as well as 1BR exchanges into BWV. Ile too have seen all of the inventory available (except AKV). I just *suspect* that a much higher percentage of SSR and OKW inventory is being deposited as compared to what is exchanged.

/Jim

/Jim

 

[TenThousandVolts]

Beyond that we have stayed in studios at BWV (BW view) and VWL.

WOW- I thought BWView rooms were only for points stays- I guess in a way exchanges are points stays- that was a lucky exchange. I would feel lucky to get a BWView room at 7 months. You were really lucky to get it through II

 

[PlainJane]

WOW- I thought BWView rooms were only for points stays- I guess in a way exchanges are points stays- that was a lucky exchange. I would feel lucky to get a BWView room at 7 months. You were really lucky to get it through II

We were pretty shocked when we walked in the room . All the other DVCs we had stayed at didn't really have different views, so we had nothing to compare it to. We assumed that we would be in a room facing the parking lot. We also got lucky with the room location, we were as close as you could get to the lobby while still staying on the BW.

 

[bwvBound]

...does DVC have exclusive rights to determine WHICH properties are deposited into II. // I would love to hear about the actual algorithm that DVC uses...

Jim,

From Dean's posts - the policy seems to change periodically. Perhaps links to earlier discussions will give you something to consider while we wait for Dean's comments on current conditions?

• Using Points for II Deposit, Feb 2001; see post #9
• Interval International Exchanges, March 2003; see post #7's reference to "the old system"
• Depositing banked points inth II, Feb 2008, see post #8
• DVC on Interval International, Feb 2003, see post #4
• interval swap ...pts misleading?, Aug 2007, see post #9
• In a non-Disney exchange, what happens if you have to cancel?, Jan 2001, see post #2
• Interval International help,, see post #3: "DVC doesn't deposit 3 BR units unless there's nothing else they can deposit."

 

[FLYNZ4]

My 1BR BWV inbound exchange was for a premium view (not BW). A friend's 2BR BWV was a standard view... way back... facing MGM... and another friend had a premium (not BW) 2BR exchange.

On the few BCV exchanges that I know of... I do not know which type of view they received... I expect a random distribution since there is no specific booking catagories that I know of.

/Jim

 

[kerickson]

Can II exchangers book before the 7mo mark?

 

[bwvBound]

Can II exchangers book before the 7mo mark?

If you are asking if an inbound exchanger (someone booking a DVC resort through II using their own non-DVC property) can book their reservations before our internal 7-month window -- then YES. DVC inventory often appears in II some 10-months from check-in.

 

[CarolMN]

We were pretty shocked when we walked in the room . All the other DVCs we had stayed at didn't really have different views, so we had nothing to compare it to. We assumed that we would be in a room facing the parking lot. We also got lucky with the room location, we were as close as you could get to the lobby while still staying on the BW.

This sounds like you were actually placed in one of the studios that overlook the Village Green (which is the lawn area bordered by the resort lobby, the villa wing, the inn wing and the lake). If so, these are not considered Boardwalk view units, but are actually Preferred View - Pool/Garden units. That is the category I would expect exchangers to receive.

That said, those studios do have partial views of the Boardwalk and are often They do have a nice view and a good location within the resort. I think you were lucky to get it.

 

[Dean]

DVC has exclusive rights to decide. My understanding, for what it's worth, is they pool the points and try to give II a variety of units, resorts, sizes and times. As a rule they do not deposit premier time or GV. That's not to say it's never done, but it'd be a special circumstance. DVC attempts to even out the usage somewhat but will generally have most deposits for slower times, smaller units and the more available, less demand resorts of SSR & OKW on property. But as more and more people exchange, they will be forced to give II better units and more in demand resorts part of the time.

I'm only aware of one 3 BR exchange and it was a mistake, a ghost deposit, that ended up not really being there. As a rule, DVC gives the exchange what was deposited. They try to match dedicated to dedicated, the same type of view, etc. They have the right to change it around if they chose but generally they stick closely to what was reserved.

AKV hasn't been available because AKV isn't formally on the II list yet. It's listed on their legal paperwork so it's only a matter of time, likely about the time the entire resort is open.

Disney doesn't share their algorithm if they have a formal one. I suspect it's done by hand. They know which weeks and unit types are likely to be available. They are somewhat limited to the home resort of the points until 7 months out and it seems a large number of deposits are done more than 7 months out. I'm thinking that members who own at the harder to get resorts are less likely to trade with II than those from SSR, HH, VB and HH so that may affect things as well.There's about a 3 month window (minus Xmas) where one could spend the entire time at HH DVC on cheap exchanges in 2 BR units. They likely use ROUGHLY the same method to determine what's given up for rent including to CRO as well.

There were at least 3 previous versions of how things were done in past years. With RCI it was strictly deposit first or instant exchange. Then it went to II and mostly request first unit for unit where you paid the points and reserved a similar unit at your HOME resort. Then that evolved where you paid based on the unit give to II but from the cheapest available resort no matter what your home resort but the 7/11 month rules still applied. Then the newest version members are most familiar with. The new version favors 1 BR exchanges and kills studio exchanges while being fairly neutral to 2 BR's. While some will tell you differently, there was also a time when one could trade a studio for a larger unit within the 60 day window so 55 points for a HH adventure studio or 98 points for an OKW studio could get you a studio unit or larger in some cases.

 

[PlainJane]

This sounds like you were actually placed in one of the studios that overlook the Village Green (which is the lawn area bordered by the resort lobby, the villa wing, the inn wing and the lake). If so, these are not considered Boardwalk view units, but are actually Preferred View - Pool/Garden units. That is the category I would expect exchangers to receive.

That said, those studios do have partial views of the Boardwalk and are often They do have a nice view and a good location within the resort. I think you were lucky to get it.

No, we were on the BW, we were staying over the grocery store/gift shop, and when you looked straight ahead of you the YC/BC was what you would see. We also could see street performers from our balcony.

I'm not trying to be argumentative btw.

 

[FLYNZ4]

I'm only aware of one 3 BR exchange and it was a mistake, a ghost deposit, that ended up not really being there.

Dean,

I suspect that you are taking about an exchange last September from a frequent TUG poster. There is another one for this September by another TUG member. I have never seen non-September GVs deposited.

/Jim

 

[Brian Noble]

I've also seen an OKW studio over Christmas recently. It popped back up again today, briefly, but I suspect it's the same week from a few days ago that someone canceled in the 24 hour hold period. If they are done by hand, I suspect that one was a boo-boo, as I can't see much of a reason why Disney would deposit Premier time.

 

[FLYNZ4]

Jim,

From Dean's posts - the policy seems to change periodically. Perhaps links to earlier discussions will give you something to consider while we wait for Dean's comments on current conditions?

• Using Points for II Deposit, Feb 2001; see post #9
• Interval International Exchanges, March 2003; see post #7's reference to "the old system"
• Depositing banked points inth II, Feb 2008, see post #8
• DVC on Interval International, Feb 2003, see post #4
• interval swap ...pts misleading?, Aug 2007, see post #9
• In a non-Disney exchange, what happens if you have to cancel?, Jan 2001, see post #2
• Interval International help,, see post #3: "DVC doesn't deposit 3 BR units unless there's nothing else they can deposit."

Thank you... great reading

/Jim

 

[bwvBound]

Thank you... great reading

I know there are better threads out there ... especially the updates Dean gives from the audit reports (member's completed exchange requests, etc). I just wasn't finding them yesterday ... now matter how creative I got with search terms.