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Yup, this is almost certainly true for tickets purchased directly from Disney. They know exactly what you paid, and they'll charge you the difference.

The murkiness is around tickets purchased from a reseller. Currently those tickets are valued at current gate price, because Disney does not know when you bought them, only when they were sold to the reseller. So the only upper bound they can put on the price you might have paid is today's gate price. The expiry dates might change that, because Disney can reasonably assume that you won't have paid 2019 gate price for a ticket that expired in 2017. They still won't know (or care) what discount you might have gotten from the reseller, but they'll be able to put a reasonable upper bound on what you paid.

If they don't do this, then they'll create a giant loophole allowing indefinite hedging against price increases. Which would be great, but IMO unlikely, since presumably that's what this move to expiration dates is intended to avoid.

That said, I'm not sure I really understand why Disney *has* gone to this new model. Usually businesses would rather have my money today than tomorrow, and expiry dates on tickets discourage this. I guess they're just assuming that if I don't buy tickets now, I'll be happy to pay 30% more in two years? At that rate of increase, I can see why they'd be content to wait.

The only other thing I can think of is that it might be an accounting thing. But since the future use of those tickets doesn't cost Disney anything, I don't see any reason they'd be required to report it as a liability, and thus no reason to want it off the books. But I'm not an accountant, and business accounting rules are complicated. So, maybe.

But they know EXACTLY what they got paid for the ticket. I have actually had a CM try to charge me the difference between what Disney got paid and the current price for an AP so....

Buyer beware!
 
The problem with those scenarios of rogue CMs saying you pay the difference between what you paid to the third-party vendor and the ticket you want, is Disney doesn't HAVE the price you paid to the third-party vendor. Disney only has access to what the third-party vendor paid to Disney (which is considerably less than you paid the third-party vendor).

Actually I think they do.... I have been told that Disney has agreements with these resellers which restrict the pricing the reseller can offer. So they could just go with the "most we let them sell at" which might be less than you hope.
 
There is no such ticket as "4 days with 3 extra days."

What is being sold (with marketing finesse) is a regular 7-day ticket... for the price of a 4-day ticket.

I assumed but wanted to clarify. Thank you, Robo!
 

Definitely THAT is the reason.
Once a package deal is arranged and booked (even if not paid) the deal
remains locked (unless a major change is made by the guest.)

So, Robo, I noticed that for my upcoming trip my 3 Day ticket is BASE, not Hopper. It was sold as part of a package (I thought that price sounded too good). I wasn't upset or anything, figured I'd just pay the difference once I got my plans in order (and was sure I was hopping). Does that mean I will pay the older price to upgrade to Hopper or the new one? It went up a decent bit. Thanks.
 
So, Robo, I noticed that for my upcoming trip my 3 Day ticket is BASE, not Hopper. It was sold as part of a package (I thought that price sounded too good). I wasn't upset or anything, figured I'd just pay the difference once I got my plans in order (and was sure I was hopping).
Does that mean I will pay the older price to upgrade to Hopper or the new one? It went up a decent bit. Thanks.

Likely the new price.

You say "package."
A DISNEY resort package?
 
Yes, a Disney Resort Package.

Then call them ASAP and ask them to change the tickets to Hoppers.
Explain what happened (a misunderstanding.)
They MIGHT be able to do that at the old price.
 
And parksavers screwed up my ticket order from Saturday. a 5 day ticker with water park and more ticket is not anywhere near the same as a 7 day park hopper (without water park). Ugh. Glad I noticed before I attached it to my account.
 
Then call them ASAP and ask them to change the tickets to Hoppers.
Explain what happened (a misunderstanding.)
They MIGHT be able to do that at the old price.

Okay, thanks. It's my fault for not catching it (and not checking the Dis on Saturday either). We'll see what we can do.
 
Okay, thanks. It's my fault for not catching it (and not checking the Dis on Saturday either). We'll see what we can do.

Someone please correct me if I am missing something here!

Price of upgrading to PH for a package has not gone up. Question is whether by upgrading your ticket to PH they will also change your ticket from the old to the new, and hence have to pay the new rate.

Just the ph cost would be $78.xx per ticket with tax, with the package rates.

If they want to charge you more, then they are changing your ticket to the new rates.

If you added the ph at Disney (and you aren't sure you need it yet) I think they will only charge you the ph upgrade cost.

This could either be adding the option to your ticket or bridging to new tickets, price would be the same either way, and cost $79.xx with tax, only like $1 more.
 
Someone please correct me if I am missing something here!

Price of upgrading to PH for a package has not gone up. Question is whether by upgrading your ticket to PH they will also change your ticket from the old to the new, and hence have to pay the new rate.

Just the ph cost would be $78.xx per ticket with tax, with the package rates.

If they want to charge you more, then they are changing your ticket to the new rates.

If you added the ph at Disney (and you aren't sure you need it yet) I think they will only charge you the ph upgrade cost.

This could either be adding the option to your ticket or bridging to new tickets, price would be the same either way, and cost $79.xx with tax, only like $1 more.

Was it already $78 dollars for jsut hte Hopper? That's where I was confused. The post that mad eme originally think about it mentioned it had gone up from around $50, which is what I am used to it being. If it didn't really change then I guess I have nothing to worry about it. Man, you take a year off (going to alternate Disney destinations), and you lose track of everything.
 
Was it already $78 dollars for jsut hte Hopper? That's where I was confused. The post that mad eme originally think about it mentioned it had gone up from around $50, which is what I am used to it being. If it didn't really change then I guess I have nothing to worry about it. Man, you take a year off (going to alternate Disney destinations), and you lose track of everything.

It hasn't been $5x in quite a few years
 
It hasn't been $5x in quite a few years

Huh, okay, so it's probably not a big deal then. If I just do it when I get there do I jsut pay the PH amount (seems to be a flat $75 now) or do I ahve to pay the price increase on the days? I think it's the former, just wanting to be sure so there are no surprises. It's only a 3 day trip so I'm trying to maximize value, you know?

I am looking at picking up some tix from UC for my October trip. Seem slike I can save a good bit on a longer trip.
 
Hold the phone, you no longer have to use a ticket from UCT once to get the bridged price? Last time I did this in order to get the current gate price you were supposed to use the ticket first.

I probably still won't try to do this again because the savings was definitely NOT worth the HUGE hassle it took to get the correct price.
 
Huh, okay, so it's probably not a big deal then. If I just do it when I get there do I jsut pay the PH amount (seems to be a flat $75 now) or do I ahve to pay the price increase on the days? I think it's the former, just wanting to be sure so there are no surprises. It's only a 3 day trip so I'm trying to maximize value, you know?

I am looking at picking up some tix from UC for my October trip. Seem slike I can save a good bit on a longer trip.

$75+tax.

I don't see why you would have to pay the price increase on the days, but this is the part I'm not sure on. I always thought they didn't need to do that if you were only adding PH. But, even if that weren't true, I think that your package tickets could be bridged and then add PH.
 
The murkiness is around tickets purchased from a reseller. Currently those tickets are valued at current gate price, because Disney does not know when you bought them, only when they were sold to the reseller. So the only upper bound they can put on the price you might have paid is today's gate price. The expiry dates might change that, because Disney can reasonably assume that you won't have paid 2019 gate price for a ticket that expired in 2017. They still won't know (or care) what discount you might have gotten from the reseller, but they'll be able to put a reasonable upper bound on what you paid.
Remember that the Disney ticketing database has an entry for every single ticket that needs tracking. (Those five-day hoppers I got in '01 that still have a couple water park days are in there somewhere!) If not there already, it's easy enough to add an entry to each ticket now sold that includes the gate price on the day the ticket goes out the door. In the case of a partner reseller, that won't be the price on the date that *they* sell it, but that may just be a risk the buyer has to take.
 
Where do you see plus 2 water park visit option? I thought water parks stand alone tickets were either single day or annual pass.

WDW 8 day base: $447
WDW 8 day base with PH+: $543
WDW 8 day base and single day water park ticket (sold separately): $513

Before this week, the WP option added to base tickets cost $68. Now, if the PH is of no value to you, the water park option is $95. That's a $27 increate!

You're right there is no 2 day waterpark ticket option. PP suggested just buying base tickets and separate WP ticket. I was just pointing out that even two single day WP tickets plus base park ticket is already more money than just buying the hopper ticket with waterpark. Sorry, didn't mean to confuse.
 
Here's a total speculative post. Will we get to a point that's close to the expiration date and resellers still have tickets that expire on that date so they sell them at an even steeper discount?

Or do you think Disney changes the expiration date (say after Feb 12 of next year, the expiration changes to 2019 on all new tickets) early enough that resellers sell out way before they get close to the current expiration date?

Or maybe they wouldn't discount if they got close to the expiration date bc you don't "lose the value".
 
Here's a total speculative post. Will we get to a point that's close to the expiration date and resellers still have tickets that expire on that date so they sell them at an even steeper discount?

Or do you think Disney changes the expiration date (say after Feb 12 of next year, the expiration changes to 2019 on all new tickets) early enough that resellers sell out way before they get close to the current expiration date?

Or maybe they wouldn't discount if they got close to the expiration date bc you don't "lose the value".
Or, maybe Disney will convert to fully digital/etickets as they already do with tickets sold through Park Savers and Expedia. Guests will purchase their tickets and receive a receipt/Confirmation of purchase. Then, a few days later, the actual voucher numbers will be sent to the reseller who then forwards the info to the guest.

Resellers still make their profit and they don't end up with excess tickets that have an expiration date.
 
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