Plan Ahead with Lightning Lane Entry at Walt Disney World Starting July 24

[bdrex28]

Yeah, buying all these non-refundable "perks" way in advance is horrible. I hate how the world is going to that. At least you can return movie tickets still. But hey, lets spend a grand on ride access when it might rain all day, or I may not feel good then.

It's much like gaming right? When I was young and we'd want to play a computer game, we'd buy the game for the cost of the game. then there was no extra paying. Now m y kids play and they get a "free" game, but they want to buy coins or points or whatever and it's those micro purchases that make the game ridiculously expensive, plus they end up not all elevating by skill but by purchasing.

It's the way everything is going.

Even TV watching is going this way. At first it was "cut the cord" and stream the 2 or 3 streaming services, but now EVERYTHING is streaming and streaming services combine to much more than cable was. Shoot, I can't even typically watch the US National Soccer team play a game without watching it on Paramount+ which is subscription. It's ridiculous.

 

[rastuso]

Please remember, many found G+ not to be worth the cost at Epcot and AK. It may very well may be the same with LLMP. Just because you can purchase it does not necessarily make it worth the price if what you’re paying.

I’m surprised by the number of people purchasing for every day if they trip and adding hundreds of dollars in one quick go.

Yeah, buying all these non-refundable "perks" way in advance is horrible. I hate how the world is going to that. At least you can return movie tickets still. But hey, lets spend a grand on ride access when it might rain all day, or I may not feel good then.

 

[Goofygirl514]

So, if you enter a park and use your first ride (let's say it is a Tier 1 ride), can you then cancel your two Tier 2 rides, and book 3 rides at any park (Tier 1 or Tier 2, subject to availability)? Might be helpful if, for example, you start at EPCOT but plan to go to Magic Kingdom later.

So, for example, let's say you book an early Tier 1 and 2 other Tier 2s at EPCOT, then scan into the early Tier 1 ride, cancel the two remaining Tier 2's, and immediately book 3 rides (Tier 1 or Tier 2) over at Magic Kingdom. I presume you need to scan into the first EPCOT ride before doing any of this. Correct?

The risk is that many rides are gone at MK by the time you scan into the early Tier 1 EPCOT ride but can help stack some rides later in the day - especially if you don't care about the Tier 2 EPCOT rides.

Thanks for any help!

You can totally do this. But from what I understand you can only hold 3 LLMP at a time. So if you book later in the day and your first return time is 3 pm then you can’t start booking more until you tap in for that ride at 3 pm.

 

[Dave006]

Yes, particularly for those of us who only look at the Tip Board.

That is not an empirical data method. Just a random sample. You would need to look at data analytics like the data provided by Thrill Data ( https://thrill-data.com/ ).

Dave

 

[clbielick]

interested on the split stay question. i know someone responded they were able to book the 2nd half too-but was that because it was already within 7 days of start of that 2nd half since things didnt open up until today?

Only the post 2 up from yours

except, they may have had the 2nd half of their trip be within 7 days already. so, not clearly answered. (ie they go tomorrrow, move in 4 days-they would have been able to book the 2nd half ANYWAY at this point)

 

[clbielick]

I have a split stay and I was able to purchase for the entire stay if I wanted.

can i ask-when does your 2nd half of the trip start? is it already within 7 days and you would have been able to book anyway?

 

[gottalovepluto]

Based on the fact that EVERY GUEST in all four parks used to have the very similar FP+ system, and still get FAR more than 3 per day, I think you'll be proven wrong. We are only a few hours into a brand new system. I would give it a few weeks at least before drawing any conclusions, and even those will still be initial findings

Disney needs to make character meets LLSP. That’ll free up some of the other rides.

MK has a lot gone already. JC, BTMRR, Tiana, Space, Pirates, HM.

Were character meets in the pre-Covid system? That would be a lot of capacity they whacked vs the old system then instead of just 7DMT & FOP…

 

[gottalovepluto]

WDWNT has a great guide link

 

[Dave006]

I can't figure out what the advantage is for Disney removing character meets and parade viewing from the mix.

Because including these attractions in the LLMP system creates artificially long Standby waits vs just using a normal Standby queue for these attractions. Will they be added back into the LLMP system as they were in Genie+ maybe but not likely.

Is there a particular reason that you think they should be part of LLMP?

Dave

 

[CJK]

Okay....I think I'm grasping how this works. But, I'm still not clear on something. I've read up thread that people are thinking they can just book 1 ride in their first park. Then, when they scan into that ride, book 3 in their second park. I don't understand how that's possible? I thought that you can only book 1 ride after scanning into a ride. Why do we think you can now book 3? I guess I was thinking that the 'privilege' of booking 3 rides in advance is no longer in play day-of.... Am I making sense? lol

 

[NJlauren]

Because including these attractions in the LLMP system creates artificially long Standby waits vs just using a normal Standby queue for these attractions. Will they be added back into the LLMP system as they were in Genie+ maybe but not likely.

Is there a particular reason that you think they should be part of LLMP?

Dave

I would love character meets to be on multipass we love having them as an option, soon my daughters will age out of the meets but until them I loved having them

 

[travelgirl77]

can i ask-when does your 2nd half of the trip start? is it already within 7 days and you would have been able to book anyway?

Hi, this was not directed to me, but our trip is July 30-August 7 and a split stay beginning August3rd and I was able to book all the way through.

 

[meremac]

Were character meets in the pre-Covid system? That would be a lot of capacity they whacked vs the old system then instead of just 7DMT & FOP…

Yes, they were part of the FastPass+ system.

 

[DisneyFive]

Were character meets in the pre-Covid system? That would be a lot of capacity they whacked vs the old system then instead of just 7DMT & FOP…

Yes they were. To be fair it seemed like everything under the sun was available for FP+ back then. We'll have to see how it all plays out. How will the impact of no meet and greets, versus not every guest purchasing the MPLL system end up balancing out? FP+ morphed more than a few times during it's tenure and I expect the same with this new system. I'm very happy to have it as an option for our visits, although I loathe paying for it versus the old included FP+ system

 

[accm]

There is no real advantage to booking any experiences in Epcot that you don't plan to use. Using your example just book 1 Tier 1 in Epcot. Tap in to that experience and then you can book any 3 experiences at any park where there are any available experiences. There are no tiers and you still can only have up to 3 experiences on a rolling basis at any time.

Are we sure that we can do this though? The way I see it, your first 3 rides need to be in your first park, and needs to be 1 tier 1, and 2 tier 2.

I have 2 follow up questions (not necessarily aimed at you, but at someone at the parks who has purchased LLMP):
1 - day of, are you able to modify one of your first 3 selections to a different park
2 - assuming you've already tapped into your Tier 1, are you able to modify one of the other two preselection to another Tier 1?

 

[meremac]

Okay....I think I'm grasping how this works. But, I'm still not clear on something. I've read up thread that people are thinking they can just book 1 ride in their first park. Then, when they scan into that ride, book 3 in their second park. I don't understand how that's possible? I thought that you can only book 1 ride after scanning into a ride. Why do we think you can now book 3? I guess I was thinking that the 'privilege' of booking 3 rides in advance is no longer in play day-of.... Am I making sense? lol

You are making sense to me because that's exactly what I thought too! You buy the Multi Pass for the park that you want to make your three advance reservations at. You can make your first same-day reservation when you scan into your first Multi Pass reservation (or when the return window for that first reservation has expired). You can make your next same-day reservation when you scan into subsequent reservations. It says nothing about being able to make two same-day ones to make up for the ones you didn't make in advance (if you chose not to make three or to cancel some).

 

[bdrex28]

Okay....I think I'm grasping how this works. But, I'm still not clear on something. I've read up thread that people are thinking they can just book 1 ride in their first park. Then, when they scan into that ride, book 3 in their second park. I don't understand how that's possible? I thought that you can only book 1 ride after scanning into a ride. Why do we think you can now book 3? I guess I was thinking that the 'privilege' of booking 3 rides in advance is no longer in play day-of.... Am I making sense? lol

My understanding based on your question would be:

You are allowed to hold 3 rides at a time (split within tiers). If you only book 1, then once you "click" in, you now have zero scheduled, thus the ability to book 3.

It's kind of like old school fast pass, where you held 3 but only after all 3 were used could you then use a kiosk to book 1 additional ride, then when that was complete you could again book 1 , rinse and repeat. now they are allowing to you book as you go, but you can't hold more than 3 at a singular moment so you can book again after 1 is used rather than all 3.

 

[123SA]

Because including these attractions in the LLMP system creates artificially long Standby waits vs just using a normal Standby queue for these attractions. Will they be added back into the LLMP system as they were in Genie+ maybe but not likely.

Is there a particular reason that you think they should be part of LLMP?

Dave

artificially long Standby waits vs just using a normal Standby queue for these attractions -- isn't this the same at every ride that accepts LLMP? The effect is a longer (time) standby line?

And why would be an artificially long long? Wouldn't it be a a literally long line (in terms of time, not length)?

 

[BigBadBobbyH]

I was curious about this, too. However, if I understand everything correctly, I think it is best to simply pre-book any 3 attractions. One, you paid to select them in advance. Two, what if the 1 attraction you pre-booked happens to be out of service? Then, you would have no other selections and would be scrambling to find something else around the same time on the day of. Three, changing an existing selection or filling an empty slot should be virtually the same. I think the only sticking point is that--for rides you are not tapping into--you would have to make sure existing selections are potentially changed before the arrival window starts, or I believe you would have to wait until the whole window expires to modify.

But, I still feel like someone might as well book all 3 in advance??


This is my thinking as well, particularly if someone wants at least one guaranteed ride in the first park.

However, I am also considering only paying for the second park of the day, and pre-selecting 3 rides there. Then, we would use rope drop, standbys, virtual queues, or single pass for the first park.

I'm assuming these are all valid ways to use the system.

Very helpful! This is in line with how I was thinking about it.

If, instead, you only book 1 Tier 1 at a park and leave the other two spots empty, then I presume the only way to be allowed to use the two empty slots at a different park (i.e., for park hopping) is by scanning into the first ride. There is no other means of triggering the ability to book the other two slots at a different park, correct? Ideally there would be a way of booking one ride at one park and two rides at another park in advance - even if it was a different price (i.e., a park hopping option).

 

[Dave006]

But, I'm still not clear on something. I've read up thread that people are thinking they can just book 1 ride in their first park. Then, when they scan into that ride, book 3 in their second park. I don't understand how that's possible? I thought that you can only book 1 ride after scanning into a ride. Why do we think you can now book 3?

Simple they think they get quicker access to multiple Tier 1 options. You don't need to pre-select 3 experiences. They just want to tap in to a single Tier 1 or a Tier 2 experience at park 1. And then have the ability to book 3 experiences in another park without any Tier restrictions.

Only kink it this use case is there needs to be day of availability for any of the experiences they want to book in their second park and they need a park hopper entitlement. It really sounds like a way to save a few bucks. I don't see any real value in this use case. It will take time to see if this use case is of any real value vs the steps involved in the process.

Dave