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[chris1gill]

Wait, How far is Pittsburgh from D.C.? I saw Obama a few hours ago speaking in front of Steelworker's & now any minute from now he's going to be speaking in D.C. He's a busy guy!

Anyhow, Hillary was not received well in front of the Steelworkers when she started in this morning on Obama's comment, they No'ing & Booing her... Not exactly a way to gather friends

 

[Reflection]

Fantastic article! I particularly liked this part:

"...for all her claims of “experience” and leadership abilities, Hillary Clinton has now presided over two disastrous national enterprises, the most important professional undertakings of her adult life, both of which she began with ample wind at her back: the healthcare reform of her husband’s presidency, and now her own campaign for the White House. These two failures -– and the demonizing of her opponents in both instances –- may be the best indication of the kind of President she would be, especially when confronted (inevitably) by unanticipated difficulty and/or entrenched opposition to her ideas and programs."

That needs to be said over and over and over again! The two biggest tasks Hillary has taken on in her career - health care reform in her role as first lady and her presidential candidacy - Hillary has failed miserably. Her antics surrounding health care set that movement back 20 years (which is why we're only now getting back into it). This is someone who "knows how to get things done"?

And her candidacy has been a disaster. She was a 25 or 30 point favorite across the board before this really got started. Nobody had any real shot against her unless she just screwed up. That's what led her to say late last year that this would all be wrapped up by super-Tuesday. She was apparently expecting to be greeted with flowers and song, and didn't know what to do until it was too late when she was greeted with a fight, instead. Now, gee...who does that sound like to you?

Her nomination was all but a given, and everyone else was likely running for second place. Now? The only way she wins is if the party insiders decide to hand it to her. Is that gross mismanagement somehow supposed to impress anyone with how she would run this country?

Barack Obama - the black guy with the funny name and the big ol' ears - dismantled the most powerful Democratic power structure in recent memory, and he did it without making character assassination the central theme of his campaign. How anyone can look at how far he's come and think that he's going to lose to John Freaking McCain is just beyond my understanding.

I also liked this quote:

And, yes, a sense of entitlement that veritably shouts, “Look, because I believe in good things, and because of all I’ve been through, I deserve to win this.”

And with HRC, I always get back to--what exactly has she done that makes her so entitled. Putting in her lot with her straying husband and a complicated marriage does not automatically entitle her to the job as leader of the free world. I wish the Obama campaign would play hardball with astronomical failure on health care and the reasons why it failed, and, no HRC, dearest, it was not due to the vast, right-wing conspirarcy.

 

[wvrevy]

I don't know if we still have any Hillary supporting lurkers or not, but if so, could one of you please answer this question for me?

Why is it, do you think, that Hillary Clinton's biggest supporters in the media are people like Bill Kristol? I don't so much mean why aren't more people supporting her, as that's arguable. What I'm curious about is how anyone justifies the support given to her by these right-wing loons like Kristol.

 

[lilyv]

I don't know if we still have any Hillary supporting lurkers or not, but if so, could one of you please answer this question for me?

Why is it, do you think, that Hillary Clinton's biggest supporters in the media are people like Bill Kristol? I don't so much mean why aren't more people supporting her, as that's arguable. What I'm curious about is how anyone justifies the support given to her by these right-wing loons like Kristol.

Sorry, Rev, I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I might have an answer. Kristol, Hannity, McCain-they all would like to have the race be McCain/Clinton. Obama isn't their first choice for the Democratic Nominee. Hillary supporters will vehemently disagree, but Hillary is extremely polarizing. Most people either love or hate the Clintons-very little middle ground there. When faced with a choice in November, (if that choice is McCain/Clinton) unfortunately many voters will go for what they perceive is the more reasonable, middle of the road choice-McCain.

 

[robinb]

They are the same Google ads that appear here and are chosen based on keywords found in the site text. You can't control which ads show up.

Totally OT: If you use the Firefox browser and the "Adblock" Add-On you can block all the Google Ads and not even see them .

 

[wvrevy]

Sorry, Rev, I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I might have an answer. Kristol, Hannity, McCain-they all would like to have the race be McCain/Clinton. Obama isn't their first choice for the Democratic Nominee. Hillary supporters will vehemently disagree, but Hillary is extremely polarizing. Most people either love or hate the Clintons-very little middle ground there. When faced with a choice in November, (if that choice is McCain/Clinton) unfortunately many voters will go for what they perceive is the more reasonable, middle of the road choice-McCain.

I agree and I also think that is the reason, but I'm curious as to how Hillary's supporters view this kind of "support". I mean...Richard Melon Scaffe and Bill Kristol are the types that I'd be embarrassed to have support my candidate, so I just don't understand how some of her supporters seem to revel in this, as if these extreme right wing neocons are suddenly going to be endorsing her against any Republican.

 

[arminnie]

Hillary had all of these reason about why she needs to be the nominee - as each of them get repudiated she is down to one VERY NASTY one. "Obama just can't get elected" - wink, wink. "People won't vote for him" - nudge, nudge. It is truly repulsive.

 

[wvrevy]

Did you guys see this?!?!?

U.S. Rep. Geoff Davis, a Hebron Republican, compared Obama and his message for change similar to a "snake oil salesman" [at a Northern Kentucky Lincoln Day dinner].

He said in his remarks at the GOP dinner that he also recently participated in a "highly classified, national security simulation" with Obama.

"I'm going to tell you something: That boy's finger does not need to be on the button," Davis said. "He could not make a decision in that simulation that related to a nuclear threat to this country."

That "boy"?!? Seriously?

 

[chris1gill]

Did you guys see this?!?!?



That "boy"?!? Seriously?

Is anyone really surprised by this statement? It's coming from the GOP, old time Republican.... not surprised, it's not even worth a mention from the Obama camp IMHO...

 

[Reflection]

Is anyone really surprised by this statement? It's coming from the GOP, old time Republican.... not surprised, it's not even worth a mention from the Obama camp IMHO...

I'm not suprised in the least but I do think this is a very small example of the type bilge the GOP will put out in full force during the general election.

 

[jme829]

Oops, I didn't leave.

I admit that I got angry when someone came over to the Hillary thread to discuss things and then that turned south. I got angry at no one in particular and yet everyone because the whole mess is all so petty and foolish. I mean both sides when I say that. I think that the bickering has accomplished nothing with voters and has likely hurt both candidates.

If I said anything nasty, I apologize. I've just had enough and I should just stay away or at least try that sabbatical I've heard about.

Hey Plano, that was probably me, I came and was reasonably having a civil discussion with you and a few others. Someone on your thread then made a nasty comment in response to a question directed at me and I called her out on it. I didn't mean to make you or any of the others uncomfortable. If you look at my posts up to that point I didn't even mention Hillary mcuh unless I was saying a general "thats why I'm not voting for her " type thing.

I just got quite PO'd at the poster who answered a question directed at me by replying that us Obama supporters only supporting him because we had something being blown up our butts or something of that nature.

Hopefully you can see that we here are sick and tired of constantly being told that we only support Obama because we are crazy, or on something, or are in lala land or drinking Kool Aid, or like sunshine and rainbows, etc.....after awhile enough is enough...

I was truly getting along just fine until that fine comment and when I called her out and said it was because of people like her that we can't have a decent discussion, she basically told me since I had made my point, that I had no further business there. So I left. I'm sorry for causing a problem, things really were going well up to that post. While I don't much agree with you or Jarn or Merry Poppins on your HRC stance, you were all very polite and civil, I have no problem with any of you.


NewJersey-I should have known better than to even try to be civil over there. Lord knows I lurk enough to realize what I was getting into, but this bitter issue hit close to home and I went over in defense of my dad and as I said above it actually was fine until that one post. Fear not, I will stay here from now on....I do like the sunshine and hope better!! LOL..

 

[pr surfer]

This is a busy week in the PR campaign.

Tomorrow I have college rallies and information drives, Wednesday formal Grand Opening of the HQ (much like WDW, we've been operating as a soft open for the past 2 1/2 weeks), Thursday Obama Happy Hour. Friday has an undetermined activity planned, wait and see.

I'm gonna be spending a lot of time on the train.. lol.

 

[LuvDuke]

Did you guys see this?!?!?



That "boy"?!? Seriously?

The GOP will always be the GOP and they will not change. How any Democrat can consider voting for McCain and the GOP is beyond reason.

 

[NewJersey]

NewJersey-I should have known better than to even try to be civil over there. Lord knows I lurk enough to realize what I was getting into, but this bitter issue hit close to home and I went over in defense of my dad and as I said above it actually was fine until that one post. Fear not, I will stay here from now on....I do like the sunshine and hope better!! LOL..

There are those on the thread who are very respectful, courteous, and want to discuss the issues instead of telling us we are kool-aid drinkin' voters of Obama because we'd rather have a beer w/ him than Hillary. However, there are the few who ruin it for the many in my mind, who are very abnoxious and condescending.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

This elitist thing has got me so angry I just donated more to Obama's campaign. Did anyone get the email that the donations would be matched?

I hope he raises a ton of money to show people that we're not falling for Hillary's attempts to portray Obama as condescending.

 

[NewJersey]

This elitist thing has got me so angry I just donated more to Obama's campaign. Did anyone get the email that the donations would be matched?

I hope he raises a ton of money to show people that we're not falling for Hillary's attempts to portray Obama as condescending.

I donated as well! I really enjoyed seeing her getting jeered today after again trying to go down that path - how about sticking to the issues? I really can't stand to listen to her.

 

[Planogirl]

I don't know if we still have any Hillary supporting lurkers or not, but if so, could one of you please answer this question for me?

Why is it, do you think, that Hillary Clinton's biggest supporters in the media are people like Bill Kristol? I don't so much mean why aren't more people supporting her, as that's arguable. What I'm curious about is how anyone justifies the support given to her by these right-wing loons like Kristol.

I will try to answer this but I'm probably an idiot for doing so.

I don't doubt that many McCain supporters feel that Hillary is more beatable. They talk of a mystique that many Obama supporters seem to feel he has and they don't really know how to deal with that. (Who does?) They can also attack Hillary for things her husband has done.

Some Conservatives have a different outlook though. Keep in mind that in dear old Texas I'm surrounded by them. They really don't have much faith in McCain and they believe that Hillary is nowhere as Liberal as Obama. That is arguable of course but that's what I've been told.

Nothing scientific here but how much of this prattle is anyway?

 

[Planogirl]

Hey Plano, that was probably me, I came and was reasonably having a civil discussion with you and a few others. Someone on your thread then made a nasty comment in response to a question directed at me and I called her out on it. I didn't mean to make you or any of the others uncomfortable. If you look at my posts up to that point I didn't even mention Hillary mcuh unless I was saying a general "thats why I'm not voting for her " type thing.

I just got quite PO'd at the poster who answered a question directed at me by replying that us Obama supporters only supporting him because we had something being blown up our butts or something of that nature.

Hopefully you can see that we here are sick and tired of constantly being told that we only support Obama because we are crazy, or on something, or are in lala land or drinking Kool Aid, or like sunshine and rainbows, etc.....after awhile enough is enough...

I was truly getting along just fine until that fine comment and when I called her out and said it was because of people like her that we can't have a decent discussion, she basically told me since I had made my point, that I had no further business there. So I left. I'm sorry for causing a problem, things really were going well up to that post. While I don't much agree with you or Jarn or Merry Poppins on your HRC stance, you were all very polite and civil, I have no problem with any of you.


NewJersey-I should have known better than to even try to be civil over there. Lord knows I lurk enough to realize what I was getting into, but this bitter issue hit close to home and I went over in defense of my dad and as I said above it actually was fine until that one post. Fear not, I will stay here from now on....I do like the sunshine and hope better!! LOL..

It works both ways. Do you not see some of the nastiness here? Do you really only see this sunshine and hope and not the constant vitriol directed at Hillary? Some of it is deserved, I don't deny that, but a lot of it borders on outright hatred and is just vicious. So truly it works both ways.

 

[Reflection]

It works both ways. Do you not see some of the nastiness here? Do you really only see this sunshine and hope and not the constant vitriol directed at Hillary? Some of it is deserved, I don't deny that, but a lot of it borders on outright hatred and is just vicious. So truly it works both ways.

This, to me,is the distinction: negative comments about a public figure running for the office of president. I've not seen comments on this thread attacking the intelligence, belief systems, etc. of supporters of HRC.

 

[NewJersey]

Reflection - I had a date in RTC the other night! You and I will be there for some latte and wine after Obama is inaugurated.