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http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama, who has come under attack by his presidential rivals for describing small-town voters as "bitter," seems to be weathering the storm to this point as far as voters are concerned. He maintains a 10 percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, 50% to 40%, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking.

 

[chris1gill]

This, to me,is the distinction: negative comments about a public figure running for the office of president. I've not seen comments on this thread attacking the intelligence, belief systems, etc. of supporters of HRC.

This is exactly right. Yes, there are many negative comments directed towards HRC here, and I make quite a few of them. I'm an Obama supporter and I don't like the way she's run her campaign the last few months. Up until then I would have voted for either of them, that is not the case now, period. Whether Obama wins or whether he loses, I'll support him, and happily so. BUT, the fact that so many of the HRC supporter's have been downright mean spirited towards Obama Supporters? Well, that's their choice and so be it, but don't come on this thread and expect HRC to get a free ride. We don't attack HRC supporters however, and that is one thing that has remained pretty consistent on this thread, and personally I hope it stays that way.

 

[marybet]

Oh no, you mean that that word "some" is causing all of the problems again? Remember when that came up in another thread.

I see such statements and they sound and feel personal to me because I don't who they're directed at or if they're even specifically directed at anyone in particular. I am extremely careful to use that pesky word "some" nowadays but I might have let a few comments without slip through myself. I guess that I myself need to pay more attention to the word.

Originally Posted by robinb

While I am sure that neither you nor I are being singled out as a "mean spirited, close-minded, word twisting individual", I can't help but feel that I am being hit by those words peripherally just because I share the same political views as the intended victims. I don't see a whole lot of difference between a Clinton supporter who says "All Obama Supporters ..." or an Obama supporter who says "Some Clinton Supporters ..." as the words after still hurt.

I was not thinking about either of you. I was not even thinking about their political views but about the way they treat people with differing views. I wasn't even thinking about just Hillary supporters. This is an Obama support thread and I come here because the other posters want Obama to win, as I do. If I venture over to the Hillary support thread I do not expect to find people saying nice things about Obama. It is very depressing to read some of the stuff on that thread and I am not going to do it anymore, there is really no point. I could understand if I had posted my comments on the Hillary thread and you were upset, but I did not do that. If you are going to venture onto threads with differing views than I suppose you might find things that you disagree with and that are sometimes offensive to you. I think the same thing about some threads and if they really bother me than I just stop reading them.

I think the posters here have been most welcoming and I have no problems with anyone coming here. I just think you have to remember the title of the thread.

 

[chris1gill]

Originally Posted by robinb


I was not thinking about either of you. I was not even thinking about their political views but about the way they treat people with differing views. I wasn't even thinking about just Hillary supporters. This is an Obama support thread and I come here because the other posters want Obama to win, as I do. If I venture over to the Hillary support thread I do not expect to find people saying nice things about Obama. It is very depressing to read some of the stuff on that thread and I am not going to do it anymore, there is really no point. I could understand if I had posted my comments on the Hillary thread and you were upset, but I did not do that. If you are going to venture onto threads with differing views than I suppose you might find things that you disagree with and that are sometimes offensive to you. I think the same thing about some threads and if they really bother me than I just stop reading them.

I think the posters here have been most welcoming and I have no problems with anyone coming here. I just think you have to remember the title of the thread.

I think they are just looking for some in-party fighting is all. I don't go to their thread, I have no idea why they come to this one if all they want to do is argue semantics. If they have a point regarding Obama, then make the point, otherwise, head to your own thread and argue over there, it really serves no purpose. If you have an issue with a particular poster PM them or take it off the DIS for all I care.

Personally I'm glad to see Obama up 10 points on the gallup poll, too bad we couldn't redo all the primaries now, we'd be done with the process in short order.

 

[chris1gill]

Did you guys see this?!?!?



That "boy"?!? Seriously?

Oh look, The 74 year old Man from Kentucky apologized with a letter, delivered in person Course the words are already out there aren't they? What do you make of that? He's an embarrassment to the State IMHO... From CNN


WASHINGTON (CNN) — A Republican congressman has apologized to Barack Obama after referring to the White House hopeful as a “snake-oil salesman” and a “boy.”

In a letter to Obama, Kentucky Rep. Geoff Davis said his “poor choice of words is regrettable and was in no way meant to impugn you or your integrity. I offer my sincere apology to you and ask for your forgiveness. ….

“My comment… in no way reflects the personal and professional respect I have for you.”

Davis spokesman Jeremy Hughes said the congressman delivered the letter to Obama’s Senate office himself Monday morning.

Earlier, Obama’s campaign blasted the comments. “It's hard to tell what is more outrageous — Representative [Geoff] Davis' condescending and personal attack, or his absurd and offensive claim that Barack Obama is not prepared to defend America,” campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement sent to reporters Monday afternoon.

Davis made the comments at a state party dinner Saturday.

 

[LuvDuke]

Hard to believe Hillary had over a 20 point lead in PA:

Pennsylvania Democratic Presidential Primary
Pennsylvania: Clinton 48% Obama 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary

And this is after the Rev. Wright hysteria and the "bitter" flap. My guess is Hillary stepped in it again with her new ad. She just doesn't get it.

 

[ckay87]

Jon Stewart's take on Obama's "elitist" comments. Did I mention I think Jon Stewart is a genius? Loosely quoted here, but this is pretty much it:

"They say Obama's comments .... were 'elitist.' Isn't 'elite' a good thing? Candidates, let me tell you, if you get this job that you are applying for, they might just carve your face into a mountain. So....if you don't think you're just a little bit better than us, what the f-- are you doing?"



He sealed it with:
"I want my leader to be embarassingly superior to me."

 

[Fitswimmer]

Jon Stewart's take on Obama's "elitist" comments. Did I mention I think Jon Stewart is a genius? Loosely quoted here, but this is pretty much it:

"They say Obama's comments .... were 'elitist.' Isn't 'elite' a good thing? Candidates, let me tell you, if you get this job that you are applying for, they might just carve your face into a mountain. So....if you don't think you're just a little bit better than us, what the f-- are you doing?"



He sealed it with:
"I want my leader to be embarassingly superior to me."

I really would like to know when being intelligent and being confident about your intelligence became a bad thing in this country. DN and I have had this conversation so many times-mostly about other girls she knows are intelligent, but act dumb to get boys. I started a thread a few months ago about the value, or lack of value, of intelligence in this country and it wasn't long before the first posts showed up calling people "snobs".

I worked hard in school my entire life and I continue to make an effort to expand my mind, and yes, I consider myself intelligent. If that makes me elitist or a snob, well than so be it.

 

[MassJester]

Hard to believe Hillary had over a 20 point lead in PA:

Pennsylvania Democratic Presidential Primary
Pennsylvania: Clinton 48% Obama 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary

And this is after the Rev. Wright hysteria and the "bitter" flap. My guess is Hillary stepped in it again with her new ad. She just doesn't get it.

Has it really become that close? My that is good news.

 

[robinb]

I think they are just looking for some in-party fighting is all.

That is definitely not me.

Back OT ... do you think there is room in an Obama administration for Wes Clark? Or has he burned his bridges with his support for Clinton?

 

[wvrevy]

Oh no, you mean that that word "some" is causing all of the problems again? Remember when that came up in another thread.

I see such statements and they sound and feel personal to me because I don't who they're directed at or if they're even specifically directed at anyone in particular. I am extremely careful to use that pesky word "some" nowadays but I might have let a few comments without slip through myself. I guess that I myself need to pay more attention to the word.

I think you and Robin both know - or should, anyway - just what kinds of posts we're talking about, and that you're both welcome to post here whenever you like.

I really would like to know when being intelligent and being confident about your intelligence became a bad thing in this country. DN and I have had this conversation so many times-mostly about other girls she knows are intelligent, but act dumb to get boys. I started a thread a few months ago about the value, or lack of value, of intelligence in this country and it wasn't long before the first posts showed up calling people "snobs".

I worked hard in school my entire life and I continue to make an effort to expand my mind, and yes, I consider myself intelligent. If that makes me elitist or a snob, well than so be it.

Around the time when we started telling kids that everyone is "special" and not keeping score at little league baseball games.

As for your last sentence, I feel precisely the same way. I will readily admit that I'm an elitist, and I see nothing wrong with that at all. The whole notion that "everyone has a right to an opinion" is so grossly misunderstood in this country that it just drives me nuts. Does everyone have a right to an opinion? Of course. But does that mean that all opinions are of equal value? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Why should my opinion on the fluctuations of the economy be considered just as valuable as that of Alan Greenspan? Simply put, it shouldn't, 'cause he knows a heckuva lot more about the subject than I do. Why should I be offended by that?

If you missed the post I made over the weekend about Bill Maher's video, you should go back and find it. Bill had a "New Rule" about just this subject sometime last year, and it's out there on YouTube. I can't link to it 'cause of the language he uses, but you should be able to track it down easily enough.

 

[crcormier]

That is definitely not me.

Back OT ... do you think there is room in an Obama administration for Wes Clark? Or has he burned his bridges with his support for Clinton?

I would hope not. I don't think support of one candidate over another should be considered bridges burned, and I don't think Gen. Clark has made any underhanded attacks on Obama. He's a smart man and I think he'd be a great asset to any administration.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I think you and Robin both know - or should, anyway - just what kinds of posts we're talking about, and that you're both welcome to post here whenever you like.



Around the time when we started telling kids that everyone is "special" and not keeping score at little league baseball games.

As for your last sentence, I feel precisely the same way. I will readily admit that I'm an elitist, and I see nothing wrong with that at all. The whole notion that "everyone has a right to an opinion" is so grossly misunderstood in this country that it just drives me nuts. Does everyone have a right to an opinion? Of course. But does that mean that all opinions are of equal value? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Why should my opinion on the fluctuations of the economy be considered just as valuable as that of Alan Greenspan? Simply put, it shouldn't, 'cause he knows a heckuva lot more about the subject than I do. Why should I be offended by that?

If you missed the post I made over the weekend about Bill Maher's video, you should go back and find it. Bill had a "New Rule" about just this subject sometime last year, and it's out there on YouTube. I can't link to it 'cause of the language he uses, but you should be able to track it down easily enough.

I think we should start a new thread: I'm from ( ) and I'm an elitist!!!

 

[robinb]

I think you and Robin both know - or should, anyway - just what kinds of posts we're talking about, and that you're both welcome to post here whenever you like.

I know . Sorry I called for a ride on the wahmbulance yesterday.

 

[crcormier]

Jon Stewart's take on Obama's "elitist" comments. Did I mention I think Jon Stewart is a genius? Loosely quoted here, but this is pretty much it:

"They say Obama's comments .... were 'elitist.' Isn't 'elite' a good thing? Candidates, let me tell you, if you get this job that you are applying for, they might just carve your face into a mountain. So....if you don't think you're just a little bit better than us, what the f-- are you doing?"



He sealed it with:
"I want my leader to be embarassingly superior to me."

The transcript:

You know, I hear what you're all saying, but, doesn't elite mean good? Is that not something we're looking for in a President anymore? You know what candidates... Come with me...

I know elite is a bad word in politics. You want to go bowling and throw back a few beers. But the job you're applying for... if you get it and it goes well... they might carve your head into a mountain! If you don't think you're actually better than us, then what the BLEEP are you doing?

If we were elected president, do you know what we would do at the electoral parade??? Head out of the limo sunroof. "Hey Joey, what's up you douche bag! Look at me, this thing's got TV and Pepsi! Whoa!"

In fact, not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who's embarrassingly superior to me. Someone who speaks sixteen languages and sleeps two hours a night hanging upside-down in a chamber that they designed.

There are some good signature quotes in this.

 

[NewJersey]

That is definitely not me.

Back OT ... do you think there is room in an Obama administration for Wes Clark? Or has he burned his bridges with his support for Clinton?

I certainly hope there is room - I really like him.

 

[Reflection]

.......I worked hard in school my entire life and I continue to make an effort to expand my mind, and yes, I consider myself intelligent. If that makes me elitist or a snob, well than so be it.

 

[Reflection]

Hard to believe Hillary had over a 20 point lead in PA:

Pennsylvania Democratic Presidential Primary
Pennsylvania: Clinton 48% Obama 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary

And this is after the Rev. Wright hysteria and the "bitter" flap. My guess is Hillary stepped in it again with her new ad. She just doesn't get it.

No, she doesn't get most of us of working stiffs are capable of understanding complicated issues and words with more than 1 or 2 syllables. She also does not get that people can see through her 'pick a personality today' charade and get that she is fake. I love both of these editorials from today's Washington Post: "Shot and Chablis" by Eugene Robinson and Guns, God and Gotchas by Richard Cohen (although I don't agree with Cohen that Obama 'misspoke.'). Here are the links

Robinson's op ed:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041402449.html

Cohen's op ed:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041402453.html

 

[Reflection]

I think we should start a new thread: I'm from ( ) and I'm an elitist!!!

Go for it, Fitswimmer. I'll be one of the first to join in.

 

[crcormier]

I think you and Robin both know - or should, anyway - just what kinds of posts we're talking about, and that you're both welcome to post here whenever you like.



Around the time when we started telling kids that everyone is "special" and not keeping score at little league baseball games.

As for your last sentence, I feel precisely the same way. I will readily admit that I'm an elitist, and I see nothing wrong with that at all. The whole notion that "everyone has a right to an opinion" is so grossly misunderstood in this country that it just drives me nuts. Does everyone have a right to an opinion? Of course. But does that mean that all opinions are of equal value? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Why should my opinion on the fluctuations of the economy be considered just as valuable as that of Alan Greenspan? Simply put, it shouldn't, 'cause he knows a heckuva lot more about the subject than I do. Why should I be offended by that?

If you missed the post I made over the weekend about Bill Maher's video, you should go back and find it. Bill had a "New Rule" about just this subject sometime last year, and it's out there on YouTube. I can't link to it 'cause of the language he uses, but you should be able to track it down easily enough.

So I've seen several threads by conservative posters talking about wealth and taxes and that those that don't have as much talking about taxes for the wealthy are just 'jealous' of those that are wealthy.

So following that same logic, does that mean that all these conservatives that are calling Obama elitist are just jealous because he's better than them?