New incentives?

[john7994]

Just heard back this morning and they approved the August UY!!!! But they did warn me they can't guarantee I will be able to bank 2021's points with Member Services due to it being after the banking window and closing in on the end of the August UY. Hopefully that won't be an issue.
Thanks for the advice!!!

Awesome news and the way it should be! A little magic goes a long way, and given the caveat - make sure to call as soon as you can - again - they accommodated me with absolutely no issue.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I would never go more than 10 days in one year, or atleast right now. So there is no point for me to pay $899 or what ever the AP was when we could get it briefly and you know it will be much more when it comes back. I get the discounts already being DVC and if I recall, memory maker is no longer included anyway. So I'd rather pay the 850 a 10 day park hopper is (for the week of thanksgiving, just to look at the higher priced ones) and be able to use that over a year, than to pay more for something I can't/won't use anyway. Theres no reason to pay more for an ap if you know you can't use it enough to make it worth it.

Very good points. For you a 10 day annual expiration ticket would be a nice fit.

 

[RamblinWreck]

An annual pass with a 10 day cap? The tickets are a single park per day (not a park hopper), no parking included, no discounts, no photos, no water/sports add-on options. The 10 day ticket is $640. Comparing them it would be a huge price increase.

They wouldn't have to charge too much more for a 10 day capped annual pass.

The correct comp, in my opinion, would be the cost of 2 separate 5-day tickets at the cheapest. But also 10 1-day tickets would be an appropriate comp. Comparing to a 10-day park ticket doesn't really apply because if you're looking at a 10 day annual pass instead of a 10 day park ticket, that means you are planning at least 2 trips.

Two 5-day park hoppers is going to cost you over $1,200
Two 3-day park hoppers and a 4-day park hopper will run nearly $1,500
Ten 1-day park hoppers will cost you over $2,000

You could sell 10 day annual passes to out of state guests for $1,000 and secure a lot of repeat business without overwhelming the system with too much use.

Florida residents already get 40% off 4-day tickets and 30% off 3 day tickets so you'd probably have to go down to about $800 to get people on the hook for a 10 day pass for DVC/FL people. Or maybe you just give them more days for their $1,000. Either way I'm pretty sure you'd have plenty of takers.


10 days may be too small, though. Maybe you could go for 15 days and bump it up a little price wise.

 

[dez1978]

They wouldn't have to charge too much more for a 10 day capped annual pass.

The correct comp, in my opinion, would be the cost of 2 separate 5-day tickets at the cheapest. But also 10 1-day tickets would be an appropriate comp. Comparing to a 10-day park ticket doesn't really apply because if you're looking at a 10 day annual pass instead of a 10 day park ticket, that means you are planning at least 2 trips.

Two 5-day park hoppers is going to cost you over $1,200
Two 3-day park hoppers and a 4-day park hopper will run nearly $1,500
Ten 1-day park hoppers will cost you over $2,000

You could sell 10 day annual passes to out of state guests for $1,000 and secure a lot of repeat business without overwhelming the system with too much use.

Florida residents already get 40% off 4-day tickets and 30% off 3 day tickets so you'd probably have to go down to about $800 to get people on the hook for a 10 day pass for DVC/FL people. Or maybe you just give them more days for their $1,000. Either way I'm pretty sure you'd have plenty of takers.


10 days may be too small, though. Maybe you could go for 15 days and bump it up a little price wise.

I'd be ok with 800 for a 10 day pass. Thats a bit of a savings from 2 seperate 5 day tickets. Lol, I just want an option thats cheaper than buying 5 day tickets twice. But because that doesn't exist, we just only go 5 days and don't spend that extra at disney. We have enough points to stay 10-12 days in a studio, but instead we just do 5-6 in a 1 bdrm.

 

[DonMacGregor]

You could sell 10 day annual passes to out of state guests for $1,000 and secure a lot of repeat business without overwhelming the system with too much use.

Florida residents already get 40% off 4-day tickets and 30% off 3 day tickets so you'd probably have to go down to about $800 to get people on the hook for a 10 day pass for DVC/FL people. Or maybe you just give them more days for their $1,000. Either way I'm pretty sure you'd have plenty of takers.


10 days may be too small, though. Maybe you could go for 15 days and bump it up a little price wise.

As So Cal residents, an 8 or 10-day "AP" would be ideal for us. That would be two plus solid trips per year (we like mixing in resort days, and going to MK every single trip gets old being lifelong OC residents, former CM's and DL Magic Key holders).

Actually, a DVC discount on a 5-day pass, good for the entire year, wouldn't be too bad either.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

They wouldn't have to charge too much more for a 10 day capped annual pass.

The correct comp, in my opinion, would be the cost of 2 separate 5-day tickets at the cheapest. But also 10 1-day tickets would be an appropriate comp. Comparing to a 10-day park ticket doesn't really apply because if you're looking at a 10 day annual pass instead of a 10 day park ticket, that means you are planning at least 2 trips.

Two 5-day park hoppers is going to cost you over $1,200
Two 3-day park hoppers and a 4-day park hopper will run nearly $1,500
Ten 1-day park hoppers will cost you over $2,000

You could sell 10 day annual passes to out of state guests for $1,000 and secure a lot of repeat business without overwhelming the system with too much use.

Florida residents already get 40% off 4-day tickets and 30% off 3 day tickets so you'd probably have to go down to about $800 to get people on the hook for a 10 day pass for DVC/FL people. Or maybe you just give them more days for their $1,000. Either way I'm pretty sure you'd have plenty of takers.


10 days may be too small, though. Maybe you could go for 15 days and bump it up a little price wise.

Ok. Interesting comps. Appreciate the effort and thoughts. In these comps it appears you assumed the person was probably planning two 5-day trips per year instead of a single 10-day trip. I agree that a DVC owner is more likely to do that. You also referenced the Florida resident already getting 40% off 4-day tickets. That pricing assumes they make one 4-day trip. I realize some Florida resident people do travel, make it a trip and stay on property, but many do not. The comps probably also assume the park goer usually enters the parks in the morning and stays for the day. I understand. But all scenarios are priced on the assumption people are taking trips — even the Florida multi-day tickets.

Now, what are your fair comp ticket/annual pass ideas for a guest who lives 30 minutes away, goes for a only a few hours each visit, likes to go frequently to events, shows, concerts, is a regular in the Safari ride, has named the flamingos, enjoys table service dining, gardens, music, fireworks, shopping, needs the free theme park parking, etc, seldom rides the coaster rides, does not buy Genie+, and goes home at night. Rarely attends two days in a row. All planning must be done very short term because they are limited to three to five day park reservation holds. No on-site length of stay holds allowed that accommodate advance planning. What does that guest need and the comp package for annual passes?

The Florida 40% off 4-day tickets are useless as is the 25% off rooms, because this guest never goes two consecutive days in a row and never stays on-site. There is no “trip” involved.

 

[RamblinWreck]

Ok. Interesting comps. Appreciate the effort and thoughts. In these comps it appears you assumed the person was probably planning two 5-day trips per year instead of a single 10-day trip. I agree that a DVC owner is more likely to do that. You also referenced the Florida resident already getting 40% off 4-day tickets. That pricing assumes they make one 4-day trip. I realize some Florida resident people do travel, make it a trip and stay on property, but many do not. The comps probably also assume the park goer usually enters the parks in the morning and stays for the day. I understand. But all scenarios are priced on the assumption people are taking trips — even the Florida multi-day tickets.

Now, what are your fair comp ticket/annual pass ideas for a guest who lives 30 minutes away, goes for a only a few hours each visit, likes to go frequently to events, shows, concerts, is a regular in the Safari ride, has named the flamingos, enjoys table service dining, gardens, music, fireworks, shopping, needs the free theme park parking, etc, seldom rides the coaster rides, does not buy Genie+, and goes home at night. Rarely attends two days in a row. All planning must be done very short term because they are limited to three to five day park reservation holds. No on-site length of stay holds allowed that accommodate advance planning. What does that guest need and the comp package for annual passes?

I'm not sure. This sounds like the kind of person who would be buying a slew of 1-day park tickets without an AP in place. So it's an even better deal for them.

I also didn't necessarily assume that the person is planning two 5-day trips instead of a 10-day trip. I just assumed if someone wants to take a single 10-day trip, they would buy a regular 10-day ticket. Because it would be kind of silly to do otherwise.

 

[Sandisw]

They wouldn't have to charge too much more for a 10 day capped annual pass.

The correct comp, in my opinion, would be the cost of 2 separate 5-day tickets at the cheapest. But also 10 1-day tickets would be an appropriate comp. Comparing to a 10-day park ticket doesn't really apply because if you're looking at a 10 day annual pass instead of a 10 day park ticket, that means you are planning at least 2 trips.

Two 5-day park hoppers is going to cost you over $1,200
Two 3-day park hoppers and a 4-day park hopper will run nearly $1,500
Ten 1-day park hoppers will cost you over $2,000

You could sell 10 day annual passes to out of state guests for $1,000 and secure a lot of repeat business without overwhelming the system with too much use.

Florida residents already get 40% off 4-day tickets and 30% off 3 day tickets so you'd probably have to go down to about $800 to get people on the hook for a 10 day pass for DVC/FL people. Or maybe you just give them more days for their $1,000. Either way I'm pretty sure you'd have plenty of takers.


10 days may be too small, though. Maybe you could go for 15 days and bump it up a little price wise.

I love having the AP but to be honest, I don't need access to that many days. I just need about 30 days a year, and that could probably work well for many DVC owners who get the AP.

So, if DPEP wanted to try to target different people but at the same time limit AP's, then a yearly pass for X days would do the trick. I mean, we pay $899 plus tax for the Sorcerer Pass. I'd be fine paying the same amount (assuming AP's are gone) for that level of access.

They can get creative if they need to get creative!

 

[RamblinWreck]

I love having the AP but to be honest, I don't need access to that many days. I just need about 30 days a year, and that could probably work well for many DVC owners who get the AP.

So, if DPEP wanted to try to target different people but at the same time limit AP's, then a yearly pass for X days would do the trick. I mean, we pay $899 plus tax for the Sorcerer Pass. I'd be fine paying the same amount (assuming AP's are gone) for that level of access.

They can get creative if they need to get creative!

30 days per year sounds like a lot to me!

If they get creative, I wouldn't be surprised if people who visit as frequently as you do end up with the short end of the stick.

One creative solution that might make way too much sense for them to actually attempt doing would be to have an annual pass that is only valid for days where you are staying onsite. That would help take care of DVC members like yourself who are already committed to such a large amount of points, and also would guarantee that those AP users are bringing more profit to the parks. They could even offer this ticket at a really attractive price point and have it work out well for them.

 

[Sandisw]

30 days per year sounds like a lot to me!

If they get creative, I wouldn't be surprised if people who visit as frequently as you do end up with the short end of the stick.

One creative solution that might make way too much sense for them to actually attempt doing would be to have an annual pass that is only valid for days where you are staying onsite. That would help take care of DVC members like yourself who are already committed to such a large amount of points, and also would guarantee that those AP users are bringing more profit to the parks. They could even offer this ticket at a really attractive price point and have it work out well for them.

It is a lot but compared to the Sorcerer AP, it is 90% less days than what I get now. So, in the scheme of things, is it really? Now, if they don't want to have anything but multiday tickets, sure, it doesn't make sense.

But, offering something between a multiday ticket that caps at 10 days for a single trip and an AP which is over 300 days per year, could work, and not overload the park reservation system with too many AP holders, vs. ticket guests.

 

[Ronaldo17]

I love having the AP but to be honest, I don't need access to that many days. I just need about 30 days a year, and that could probably work well for many DVC owners who get the AP.

So, if DPEP wanted to try to target different people but at the same time limit AP's, then a yearly pass for X days would do the trick. I mean, we pay $899 plus tax for the Sorcerer Pass. I'd be fine paying the same amount (assuming AP's are gone) for that level of access.

They can get creative if they need to get creative!

We are very similar in that we need an AP for around 40 days a year (20 days in May and 20 days in November) and currently buy the sorcerer pass so we would be happy to pay the same amount for 40 days access if APs are gone.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I need to find the non-DVC forums that talk about annual passes.

 

[BeachClub2014]

Now, what are your fair comp ticket/annual pass ideas for a guest who lives 30 minutes away, goes for a only a few hours each visit, likes to go frequently to events, shows, concerts, is a regular in the Safari ride, has named the flamingos, enjoys table service dining, gardens, music, fireworks, shopping, needs the free theme park parking, etc, seldom rides the coaster rides, does not buy Genie+, and goes home at night. Rarely attends two days in a row. All planning must be done very short term because they are limited to three to five day park reservation holds. No on-site length of stay holds allowed that accommodate advance planning. What does that guest need and the comp package for annual passes?

The Florida 40% off 4-day tickets are useless as is the 25% off rooms, because this guest never goes two consecutive days in a row and never stays on-site. There is no “trip” involved.

Perhaps it's a silly idea, or one already discussed. For the person described above, perhaps an annual pass that begins with a base number of access days, say 30 for the sake of argument, would work. They don't have to be consecutive or tied to an onsite stay. That's just 30 days of access. You pick'em. If 30-days isn't enough, then they could offer an increasing number of additional days for access at an additional cost. So another 10-day "reload," if you will. These could be priced in such a way that brings value to the customer without giving 300+ days of access in the annual pass.

Just an idea.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I'm not sure. This sounds like the kind of person who would be buying a slew of 1-day park tickets without an AP in place. So it's an even better deal for them.

Buying a slew of one day tickets at an average of $139 plus tax is extremely unlikely to be the response to eliminating APs. That is $5,329 a year for 3 times a month.

But if they cap days on an AP say 10 days a year then the local guest might buy several APs a year and use them serially.

Anyway, it appears this crowd is cheering for on-site only APs to the deliberate exclusion of local guests. I really do not understand the local Florida resident negativism. Is it really necessary to gore someone else’s ox to dream of what DVC owners would like? I keep hearing that DVC owners have made a substantial investment in timeshare to stabilize lodging costs to enjoy Disney World. Well, consider the many people who move to the Orlando area solely to be near WDW so they can enjoy the parks. Many locals plunk down well over $1,000,000 to $2,500,000 or more to live nearby and have a decent home. So, DVC are not the only fans with a property investment. Someone recently referred to us local Florida residents as the unwashed. Disney is apparently fine with individuals repeating as guests because your DVC direct contracts are apparently for 50 years. So they do not mind fans coming back. The anti- Florida resident sentiment really slays me. What I thought we had in common to share info on was bulk gate admissions. But, apparently not.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Perhaps it's a silly idea, or one already discussed. For the person described above, perhaps an annual pass that begins with a base number of access days, say 30 for the sake of argument, would work. They don't have to be consecutive or tied to an onsite stay. That's just 30 days of access. You pick'em. If 30-days isn't enough, then they could offer an increasing number of additional days for access at an additional cost. So another 10-day "reload," if you will. These could be priced in such a way that brings value to the customer without giving 300+ days of access in the annual pass.

Just an idea.

Thank you. That is positive problem solving. Recharging. Hummm.

 

[Sandisw]

Buying a slew of one day tickets at an average of $139 plus tax is extremely unlikely to be the response to eliminating APs. That is $5,329 a year for 3 times a month.

But if they cap days on an AP say 10 days a year then the local guest might buy several APs a year and use them serially.

Anyway, it appears this crowd is leaning towards a cheer towards on-site only APs to the deliberate exclusion of local guests. I really do not understand the local Florida resident negativism. Is it really necessary to gore someone else’s ox to dream of what DVC owners would like? I keep hearing that DVC owners have made a substantial investment in timeshare to stabilize lodging costs to enjoy Disney World. Well, consider the many people who move to the Orlando area solely to be near WDW so they can enjoy the parks. Many locals plunk down well over $1,000,000 to $2,500,000 or more to live nearby and have a decent home. So, DVC are not the only fans with a property investment.

I don’t think it’s that but rattler to have a third option for those that are not local FL residents

So, instead of just multi day or AP, have something in the middle so that they can give people like DVC owners something that has a good amount of days, but capped, so they can leave your traditional AP for the local residents.

If the issue is not having you many AP holders than that would help a great deal.

So multi day tickets for cash guests, yearly pass with say 30 days of admission for DVC and then a true AP for only FL or SC residents.

ETA. Most likely the majority of Curewnt AP holders who are DVC really don’t need 300 plus days like a local does.

 

[BeachClub2014]

Buying a slew of one day tickets at an average of $139 plus tax is extremely unlikely to be the response to eliminating APs. That is $5,329 a year for 3 times a month.

But if they cap days on an AP say 10 days a year then the local guest might buy several APs a year and use them serially.

Anyway, it appears this crowd is leaning towards a cheer towards on-site only APs to the deliberate exclusion of local guests. I really do not understand the local Florida resident negativism. Is it really necessary to gore someone else’s ox to dream of what DVC owners would like? I keep hearing that DVC owners have made a substantial investment in timeshare to stabilize lodging costs to enjoy Disney World. Well, consider the many people who move to the Orlando area solely to be near WDW so they can enjoy the parks. Many locals plunk down well over $1,000,000 to $2,500,000 or more to live nearby and have a decent home. So, DVC are not the only fans with a property investment.

I have no issue at all with locals having access to an AP that doesn't require an onsite stay. We are all "locals" somewhere, right? My hope is that everyone has access to a ticket that works for them and their situation. For us, that has historically been AP's and I hope we can continue to purchase them.

 

[RamblinWreck]

Buying a slew of one day tickets at an average of $139 plus tax is extremely unlikely to be the response to eliminating APs. That is $5,329 a year for 3 times a month.

But if they cap days on an AP say 10 days a year then the local guest might buy several APs a year and use them serially.

Anyway, it appears this crowd is cheering for on-site only APs to the deliberate exclusion of local guests. I really do not understand the local Florida resident negativism. Is it really necessary to gore someone else’s ox to dream of what DVC owners would like? I keep hearing that DVC owners have made a substantial investment in timeshare to stabilize lodging costs to enjoy Disney World. Well, consider the many people who move to the Orlando area solely to be near WDW so they can enjoy the parks. Many locals plunk down well over $1,000,000 to $2,500,000 or more to live nearby and have a decent home. So, DVC are not the only fans with a property investment. Someone recently referred to us local Florida residents as the unwashed. Disney is apparently fine with individuals repeating as guests because your DVC direct contracts are apparently for 50 years. So they do not mind fans coming back. The anti- Florida resident sentiment really slays me. What I thought we had in common to share info on was bulk gate admissions. But, apparently not.

I don't see that. I think I floated it out as an option that would make a lot of sense specifically for DVC type guests, in a world where they were only going to offer limited use AP's. I don't think anyone else even commented on it...

 

[dez1978]

Buying a slew of one day tickets at an average of $139 plus tax is extremely unlikely to be the response to eliminating APs. That is $5,329 a year for 3 times a month.

But if they cap days on an AP say 10 days a year then the local guest might buy several APs a year and use them serially.

Anyway, it appears this crowd is cheering for on-site only APs to the deliberate exclusion of local guests. I really do not understand the local Florida resident negativism. Is it really necessary to gore someone else’s ox to dream of what DVC owners would like? I keep hearing that DVC owners have made a substantial investment in timeshare to stabilize lodging costs to enjoy Disney World. Well, consider the many people who move to the Orlando area solely to be near WDW so they can enjoy the parks. Many locals plunk down well over $1,000,000 to $2,500,000 or more to live nearby and have a decent home. So, DVC are not the only fans with a property investment. Someone recently referred to us local Florida residents as the unwashed. Disney is apparently fine with individuals repeating as guests because your DVC direct contracts are apparently for 50 years. So they do not mind fans coming back. The anti- Florida resident sentiment really slays me. What I thought we had in common to share info on was bulk gate admissions. But, apparently not.

I think you are imagining the negativity towards Florida residents. DVC owners were able to get the same pass as Fl Residents right? The Gold pass? No one here has suggested that ONLY DVC be allowed to purchase anything. Some of us are just frustrated that without the Gold AP or whatever its called now, there is NO discount for tickets avalible to us. You might not like the FL Resident dicount on tickets, but at least its something. I simply said what option I would love to have. No where has anyone said that should be a DVC exclusive option. I'd assume that in the unlikely event that anything like this was ever an option it might fall under DVC AND Fl residents like the Gold AP,

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

On-site only APs was the problem. Off-site locals need APs too. So, having both would be better.