New incentives?

[Mexacajun]

Even better!

I think it would be even cooler if they had this option but you got special pricing if you wanted to add the morning and you had to do it on a per day basis. Idk. I just want something!!

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Hmm, interesting question. Never thought of it. So would that be something like an "After 4:00 PM" option? Spend the day at the pool or shopping at DS, then head into a park for the afternoon/evening kind of thing? Might be an interesting option.

Sleeping in and a leisurely late breakfast?
Afternoon after 2 seems most probable, but a morning option would be nice too. I just do not know if Disney is set up to make sure a half day morning guest exits by a certain hour. Probably only an afternoon evening option.

 

[hglenn]

Would DVC members like a half day option if Disney caps days on an annual pass?

Yes! I was just thinking about this for our upcoming trip. We just bought BWV and would love to be able to walk over to Epcot for dinner. But I would prefer the half-day to be available at any of the parks, not just Epcot. Personally, I think this would be ideal for DVC because, from what I hear, DVC people do Disney different than traditional cash-stay guests.

 

[TraderStitch]

Afternoon after 2 seems most probable, but a morning option would be nice too. I just do not know if Disney is set up to make sure a half day morning guest exits by a certain hour. Probably only an afternoon evening option.

The only way they could do this would be to limit Genie+ / no Individual Lightning Lane purchases either after or before the 2pm cut off to deal with those who don't want to leave the park. (Those entering after 2pm wouldn't be able to get into the park in the first half of the day) Also, possibly require all guests to use their magic band to scan into rides even for standby. If it doesn't clear they can't enter the line, thus enforcing the 2pm rule. Basically, you can stay in the park but you can't ride anything.

Just my 2 cents, it seems possible on a half day ticket if offered.

 

[hglenn]

The only way they could do this would be to limit Genie+

Ideally Genie+ just goes away. Back to paper fast pass!

 

[RamblinWreck]

Ideally Genie+ just goes away. Back to paper fast pass!

The original fastpass really was the best version of it.

It was also the only version of fastpass that was actually designed with the goal of improving the customer experience. Every iteration since then has been about wringing more money out of people.

 

[john7994]

The original fastpass really was the best version of it.

It was also the only version of fastpass that was actually designed with the goal of improving the customer experience. Every iteration since then has been about wringing more money out of people.

I think you are generally correct on this statement - others will surely agree/disagree. In terms of the current instantiation - personally - I think Genie was a swing and a miss in an attempt to over embrace AI with clearly incomplete data modeling to solve a crowd distribution problem (primarily on the "Freenie" side of it).

Likely what we are seeing now, is a good baseline of data from the last 6+ months, informing better product usage and hopefully more correct modeling of the service evolving into a better experience (hopefully). With that said, I am no more interested in seeing paper fast pass than I am longing for the return of the fax machines (despite how underrated and satisfying to use that I may think they are )

 

[RamblinWreck]

I think you are generally correct on this statement - others will surely agree/disagree. In terms of the current instantiation - personally - I think Genie was a swing and a miss in an attempt to over embrace AI with clearly incomplete data modeling to solve a crowd distribution problem (primarily on the "Freenie" side of it).

Likely what we are seeing now, is a good baseline of data from the last 6+ months, informing better product usage and hopefully more correct modeling of the service evolving into a better experience (hopefully). With that said, I am no more interested in seeing paper fast pass than I am longing for the return of the fax machines (despite how underrated and satisfying to use that I may think they are )

You could return to the paper fastpass model and instead of using paper, use your magic band.

The way that it functions would still be the same.



And in regards to it being the only version of the fastpass that was designed with the purpose of improving customer experience, I don't think there is much to dispute there. That's what it was created for. It didn't have any direct impact on revenues. I'm sure they hoped that improving the customer experience would increase revenues (a foreign concept in today's world), but that was it.

Fastpass+ was an unmitigated disaster. They created it as a way to incentivise staying on property. And at least with the original fastpass, which most Disney guests didn't really know anything about, you could show up at the park and learn about it there. If you showed up during the Fastpass+ days without having booked your fastpasses a month in advance, forget about it!

 

[hglenn]

You could return to the paper fastpass model and instead of using paper, use your magic band.

YES! That said, LL pay per ride can stay! That part, I don't mind at all. That way, I know what I'm paying for and I don't pay if I don't get it. G+ is a full-on crap shoot on the true worthiness of it.

 

[Pens Fan]

Sleeping in and a leisurely late breakfast?
Afternoon after 2 seems most probable, but a morning option would be nice too. I just do not know if Disney is set up to make sure a half day morning guest exits by a certain hour. Probably only an afternoon evening option.

I wouldn't be interested in an evening only option, myself. We definitely aren't park commandos anymore, but as you have to be up at 7 AM to book any hard to get Genie+ or LL$ attraction, we typically go to the parks pretty soon after they open. Then by mid afternoon, we're done. We head back to the hotel to relax. Sometimes we'll head back to a park for dinner, but more likely head to Disney Springs our just eat at the hotel. I get the "I'll take anything" mentality, but are we so desperate for something that we will except a DVC "AP" can only be used after 4 PM?

I'm not there yet.

 

[RamblinWreck]

YES! That said, LL pay per ride can stay! That part, I don't mind at all. That way, I know what I'm paying for and I don't pay if I don't get it. G+ is a full-on crap shoot on the true worthiness of it.

I wouldn’t mind if every ride was an ILL purchase, but it functioned the same as the original fast pass system.

You want to pay $15 for Rise of the Resistance? Cool. Want to pay $0.25 for Alien Swirling Saucers? Also cool

 

[TraderStitch]

A 50% discount on ILL if you are a direct DVC member would be amazing lol.

 

[BeachClub2014]

You could return to the paper fastpass model and instead of using paper, use your magic band.

They could just get rid of these new-fangled ways to "manage" the crowd and go back to people waiting in lines based on their individual wants, wishes, interests, and tolerance. Self-determination and self-regulation aren't horrible concepts to embrace.

 

[john7994]

A 50% discount on ILL if you are a direct DVC member would be amazing lol.

I second that for purely selfish reasons!

 

[RamblinWreck]

They could just get rid of these new-fangled ways to "manage" the crowd and go back to people waiting in lines based on their individual wants, wishes, interests, and tolerance. Self-determination and self-regulation aren't horrible concepts to embrace.

They could, but the original fastpass was a well researched and modeled tool that worked very well and was generally well received. And it did tend to enhance the guest experience in the parks.

Every iteration since has had the opposite effect.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

They could just get rid of these new-fangled ways to "manage" the crowd and go back to people waiting in lines based on their individual wants, wishes, interests, and tolerance. Self-determination and self-regulation aren't horrible concepts to embrace.

Genie+ and ILL are just options.

 

[aka Charles]

You could return to the paper fastpass model and instead of using paper, use your magic band.

I would love that, but the magic bands would have to be upgraded to be able to display the ride name and your return time window.

I would much prefer to not have to take my phone into the parks.
I miss the days when I could disconnect from the real world inside the Disney bubble.
Just my I.D. and my magic band should be all that I need (in that dream world, lol).

 

[RamblinWreck]

I would love that, but the magic bands would have to be upgraded to be able to display the ride name and your return time window.

I would much prefer to not have to take my phone into the parks.
I miss the days when I could disconnect from the real world inside the Disney bubble.
Just my I.D. and my magic band should be all that I need (in that dream world, lol).

Amen to that!

You could easily have terminals where you tap your band and it reminds you when your return window is.

Maybe not the most elegant solution. But it’s better than being reliant on your phone!

 

[john7994]

They could just get rid of these new-fangled ways to "manage" the crowd and go back to people waiting in lines based on their individual wants, wishes, interests, and tolerance. Self-determination and self-regulation aren't horrible concepts to embrace.

That's always an option ... I don't think anyone is being forced to use the app ... many people continue to do it to this day. Now, if the suggestion is that it is forced on everyone else that would like a line skipping option - then you would be infringing on my wants, wishes, interests, and tolerance. Self-determination and self-regulation

 

[BeachClub2014]

That's always an option ... I don't think anyone is being forced to use the app ... many people continue to do it to this day. Now, if the suggestion is that it is forced on everyone else that would like a line skipping option - then you would be infringing on my wants, wishes, interests, and tolerance. Self-determination and self-regulation

Well, you are technically correct. People are not forced to use Genie+ or any of its predecessors, true. But, everyone is still impacted by their deployment whether they directly use the app or not. Deploying these artificial crowd control devices, mainly as a new revenue source, does negatively impact the wants, wishes, interests, and tolerances of many guests. As the saying goes: "It all depends on whose ox is being gored". Right?