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[georgina]

Who are the gun owners you are talking about? I dont know any who believe guns belong in the hands of people with mental issues. I also dont know any who are Ok with people using firearms that havent had at least some basic safety training.

The state of Oklahoma just passed a law that its citizens could carry guns with NO license and NO training. Thankfully the governor vetoed it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/us/oklahoma-gun-bill-veto.html

The NRA is out of control, IMO.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

The state of Oklahoma just passed a law that its citizens could carry guns with NO license and NO training. Thankfully the governor vetoed it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/us/oklahoma-gun-bill-veto.html

The NRA is out of control, IMO.

The link provided leads to vigilink.

 

[Planogirl]

A seventeen year old is certainly capable of breaking into a locked gun cabinet. I wouldn't throw the father under the bus until we know more. Of course he could have used a safe. A resourceful kid probably could figure how to get into those too.

A lot of kids seem to be out of control. Just in the past few weeks they caught a Plano teen who was planning to go on a shooting spree in a local popular mall. How awful it they hadn't caught him.

 

[Planogirl]

The link provided leads to vigilink.

You can click on the blue button under the Wayfair logo. Sneaky advertising.

 

[lifesavacation]

A seventeen year old is certainly capable of breaking into a locked gun cabinet. I wouldn't throw the father under the bus until we know more. Of course he could have used a safe. A resourceful kid probably could figure how to get into those too.

A lot of kids seem to be out of control. Just in the past few weeks they caught a Plano teen who was planning to go on a shooting spree in a local popular mall. How awful it they hadn't caught him.

You can click on the blue button under the Wayfair logo. Sneaky advertising.

I'm not saying the dad is a bad person or bad parent. IMHO, if you own a gun, lock it up properly. Not a cabinet with a flimsy lock. If you have a "resourceful" kid that can break into a gun safe, then you shouldn't have guns in your home. Period. Get rid of them or face a penalty if your kid uses your gun to kill people.

 

[Chernabog#1fan]

Based on what I have read, he wrote in journals and posted disturbing things on Facebook. He was also reported for wearing a trench coat to school even in 100 degree weather. When are parents going to start being more active in the child’s life to know something is a bit off with the child?

 

[luvsJack]

Though I quoted you, that wasn't directed specifically at you. Moreso the "gun rights at all costs" people. My apologies for the confusion.

I actually said the same thing somewhere upthread, that to start to find a solution, it doesn't have to be one way or the other, we can take ideas from both.

Like off duty police officers and more stringent background checks.

After I posted, I read one of your later posts and thought that may have been the case. No problems!

And yes, a few ideas from every side would go a long long way.

 

[TiggerTrigger]

We can also sit here and go on and on about gun laws...but this kid also had explosives (apparently a lot of them). No level of gun law reform is going to help that. I'm not opposed to some level of gun law reform, but to think it alone will fix this is wishful thinking. I don't know what will fix this, but I don't think there's just one thing that will solve it all.

 

[JaneBanks]

Always a reason, always an excuse.

A quote from a student - “It's been happening everywhere. I’ve always kind of felt like eventually it was going to happen here too.”

 

[agame2323]

Wow, another act of terrorism.

Was the shooter a student? Have they released any photos of the shooter?

 

[agame2323]

Nevermind. MSNBC has is. Sorry... I'm just getting home.

I pray something is done to prevent this from happening again. Sadly, we all know it will happen again. Im sorry but "they" need to ban ALL weapons until something is figured out.

 

[meggiebeth]

And laws aren’t important to those who are choosing to break the law. Whether it’s lack of auto insurance or shooting someone in a gun free zone or building a bomb.

As I said earlier in the thread, restricting ACCESS to guns undoubtedly reduces gun crime and homicides. People wishing to commit a murder will use what they have access to. It is very hard to gain access to a gun in the U.K., legally AND illegally. This is reflected in the homicide rate and exceptionally lower gun crime than the USA. The same criminals will instead turn to knives, which are still dangerous obviously but kill far fewer people than a gun. Even police here in the U.K. don’t usually have guns, because they don’t need to, as the public’s access to them is so limited. That’s a bonus in itself- no police shootings. I don’t see how anyone can argue against the direct correlations between gun ownership and homicide rates. It is fact that reducing access to guns reduces murders drastically.

We can also sit here and go on and on about gun laws...but this kid also had explosives (apparently a lot of them). No level of gun law reform is going to help that. I'm not opposed to some level of gun law reform, but to think it alone will fix this is wishful thinking. I don't know what will fix this, but I don't think there's just one thing that will solve it all.

That suggests that because multiple mediums were used, it isn’t worthwhile even trying to stop one of them? Gun crime is very, very common in the USA. Crime with explosives is not. You really need to look at the wider picture here- the USA’s homicide rate is exceptionally high. Shootings are a huge problem not just in schools but in public areas, the domestic situation, etc. Explosives are very uncommon. The root of your high homicide rate is easy access to guns. This is what needs to be addressed. Look at other developed western countries and compare their low homicide rates with the US equivalent.

 

[Hikergirl]

The state of Oklahoma just passed a law that its citizens could carry guns with NO license and NO training. Thankfully the governor vetoed it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/us/oklahoma-gun-bill-veto.html

The NRA is out of control, IMO.

There is no training requirement here in my county, there is in other counties.
That still doesn't mean that gun owners can't be responsible for themselves and take the proper training.


I didn't read your link since it isn't a direct link to the article so I have no idea what it is telling you about the NRA.
I do that the safety classes my dh and my ds have taken have been NRA safety classes. My dh was required to take it in order to become a member of a gun club (all the clubs he looked at had this requirement). So, are they out of control because they provide and advocate proper gun safety?

 

[sam_gordon]

Thought this might be an interesting graph to float...

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But doesn't this show there can also be a correlation between few gun owners and a large number of gun deaths? Look at Mexico... fewer guns than Canada, but more deaths than the US.

BTW, it's proper to link the source where you get facts like this.

 

[rickybobby]

So now we have decided having a good driving record to lower insurance costs is not important. I got news, it is to 99% of us

I suppose we should ask the can (whatever that means)

 

[sam_gordon]

I will bow out of this thread. Same argument and counter-argument every time, never a conclusion except WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING, and that something never comes.

Sorry, really quitting this thread now.

I suppose we should ask the can (whatever that means)

 

[rickybobby]

OOOOO, I been called out.

 

[declansdad]

Tangent? Yes. Odd..IDk a person brought it up by saying "...insurance, etc have all been put in place to reduce deaths." It wasn't even a topic until they brought that up. As with most tangents they usually pass..

You were the one who took one word out of my post and created the tangent, that's not on me.

It isn't surprising to see this thread go the way of all the others that pop up when there is a school shooting. Again the USA is the only country where this is a regular occurrence, why is that?

 

[sam_gordon]

Again the USA is the only country where this is a regular occurrence, why is that?

Here's the problem... everyone is looking for a single reason. I dont think thats the case. It's multiple issues. There is no "magic bullet " that will prevent these.

 

[declansdad]

Here's the problem... everyone is looking for a single reason. I dont think thats the case. It's multiple issues. There is no "magic bullet " that will prevent these.

Totally agree. The arguments always comes down to "get rid of guns" vs "guns are not the problem". That is what keeps derailing the discussion of finding a solution.