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[mom2rtk]

I think most states require insurance to drive. It’s their to make a victim whole in the event of an accident, not to prevent death as the pp was stating.
Curious how you believe training will prevent such acts?If a person is deemed mentally deficient they cannot own a firearm. The problem is in defining and reporting mental issues.

And yet the requirement doesn't stop people without insurance from driving. I was rear ended last year by someone who gave me "proof of insurance" in front of the police officer, only to find out when I called that the policy had been cancelled.

Likewise people intent on doing harm would not abide by more stringent gun laws.

 

[maddiel]

That's an individual thing though. How many times have you heard of accidents where the person had their license suspended, have had multiple DUIs or DWIs, etc.

Insurance by virtue of it being insurance doesn't prevent nor reduce death by vehicles. Insurance is solely a financial responsibility, that's it.

And not all fatalities in car accidents are by fault, sometimes it's by sheer accident. Insurance didn't prevent that death.

Drivers are incentivized by insurance discounts to take actions that make them safer drivers - and the insurance companies wouldn't offer the discounts if the actions didn't lower their costs by minimizing accident costs. Would new drivers be as likely to pay for drivers ed courses if it didn't lower their insurance cost? What about people who sign up for those monitoring devices that prove you don't speed/always wear your seat belt/etc?

M.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Drivers are incentivized by insurance discounts to take actions that make them safer drivers - and the insurance companies wouldn't offer the discounts if the actions didn't lower their costs by minimizing accident costs. Would new drivers be as likely to pay for drivers ed courses if it didn't lower their insurance cost? What about people who sign up for those monitoring devices that prove you don't speed/always wear your seat belt/etc?

M.

Again, insurance is a financial responsibility. It doesn't prevent nor reduce fatalities in vehicle accidents due to having insurance.

As a random example an elderly couple was just killed in a head on collision in my area. They were killed because the driver crossed the median and was eventually found to be DWI. If one of the couple had survived all the auto insurance would do would allow certain financial compensation to be due. The fact that had they had auto insurance or the fact that the at-fault party had insurance (if they did I'm not sure news didn't go into that detail) wouldn't have prevented the death.

ETA: As a personal example I took driver's ed because it exempted me from taking the driver's test to get my license. There was no discount for it on my insurance policy. I did it for an entirely different reason than a discount.

 

[longboard55]

Again, insurance is a financial responsibility. It doesn't prevent nor reduce fatalities in vehicle accidents due to having insurance.

As a random example an elderly couple was just killed in a head on collision in my area. They were killed because the driver crossed the median and was eventually found to be DWI. If one of the couple had survived all the auto insurance would do would allow certain financial compensation to be due. The fact that had they had auto insurance or the fact that the at-fault party had insurance (if they did I'm not sure news didn't go into that detail) wouldn't have prevented the death.

So now we have decided having a good driving record to lower insurance costs is not important. I got news, it is to 99% of us

 

[Jennasis]

I wish I had an answer. I don't. I just don't even know what say.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

So now we have decided having a good driving record to lower insurance costs is not important. I got news, it is to 99% of us

hmm..you're reading into something that isn't there. Try and take a step back and look at the context. Auto insurance is designed as a financial responsibility. It is not designed to be a safety tool. What individuals do with insurance is personal and individual. But having auto insurance doesn't reduce your chance of being killed in a vehicle involved incident.

 

[robinb]

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[ols386]

Sorry just joining this thread.

I don’t know what to say either, except that my heart and prayers go out to the victims and their families. So sad.

 

[AMW86]

Two in one day. At least three people shot during graduation ceremony at Mt. Zion HS in Georgia this evening

Editing: Initial report was wrong. 1 dead, 1 injured

 

[robinb]

Two in one day. At least three people shot during graduation ceremony at Mt. Zion HS in Georgia this evening

Omg.

 

[Hikergirl]

My state requires you to have insurance to drive a car. That keeps some very bad drivers off the roads. The gun owners seem to think anyone should own a gun unless they are a felon. There are a lot of people out there with mental issues or total lack of training that should not own guns, but the gun owners do not seem to care enough to make changes.

Who are the gun owners you are talking about? I dont know any who believe guns belong in the hands of people with mental issues. I also dont know any who are Ok with people using firearms that havent had at least some basic safety training.

 

[lifesavacation]

And yet another school shooting

We need to severely increase the penalties (are there even penalties?) for parents who don’t properly secure their guns and they are used to commit crimes.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Two school shootings and you're talking about car insurance. Odd.

 

[luvsJack]

Other things?




Like the right to own a gun?

Well since I don’t put owning a gun above the life of a child, I am not sure what you think you are getting at.

Do I have guns? Yes or dh does. In a locked safe. Ammunition,if he even has any, is locked up too. They are not killing anyone except the occasional unlucky snake and maybe a deer. As far as I know they haven’t broken out lately.

Honestly with all the debating going on, the answer is somewhere in the middle. If the country would just stop arguing long enough to look, maybe we could find it.

Mental health, schools not made safe and too many with access to guns that shouldn’t have them are all part of the problem and we need to fix ALL of it to have a solution; one part isn’t going to cut it.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

lather...rinse....REPEAT

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Two school shootings and you're talking about car insurance. Odd.

Tangent? Yes. Odd..IDk a person brought it up by saying "...insurance, etc have all been put in place to reduce deaths." It wasn't even a topic until they brought that up. As with most tangents they usually pass..

 

[luvsJack]

So now we have decided having a good driving record to lower insurance costs is not important. I got news, it is to 99% of us

And laws aren’t important to those who are choosing to break the law. Whether it’s lack of auto insurance or shooting someone in a gun free zone or building a bomb.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And yet another school shooting

We need to severely increase the penalties (are there even penalties?) for parents who don’t properly secure their guns and they are used to commit crimes.

That's why I mentioned in my first comment where the guns came from. The local news stated they didn't know at that time if the dad knew he had the guns or not but my mind was thinking of the previous topics of raising the gun age, outlawing AR15s (however this wasn't the type of gun that was actually used), etc. It's one thing that just gets to me moreso when it's the 3 year old who finds a gun and kills someone sometimes themselves because it was carelessly laid out. I don't know if the father had it locked up and it was broken into though but I do understand the viewpoint on storage of firearms.

 

[MamaBelle4]

Honestly with all the debating going on, the answer is somewhere in the middle. If the country would just stop arguing long enough to look, maybe we could find it.

Though I quoted you, that wasn't directed specifically at you. Moreso the "gun rights at all costs" people. My apologies for the confusion.

I actually said the same thing somewhere upthread, that to start to find a solution, it doesn't have to be one way or the other, we can take ideas from both.

Like off duty police officers and more stringent background checks.

 

[lifesavacation]

That's why I mentioned in my first comment where the guns came from. The local news stated they didn't know at that time if the dad knew he had the guns or not but my mind was thinking of the previous topics of raising the gun age, outlawing AR15s (however this wasn't the type of gun that was actually used), etc. It's one thing that just gets to me moreso when it's the 3 year old who finds a gun and kills someone sometimes themselves because it was carelessly laid out. I don't know if the father had it locked up and it was broken into though but I do understand the viewpoint on storage of firearms.

If you are going to be a gun owner, you have the responsibility to keep your gun properly secured so that your child can't break in and get it. And if that happens, then I think you should be held criminally responsible. Maybe more parents will take gun ownership seriously if there are stiffer penalties, especially if their child has a mental illness or behavior problems.

I did hear it was the dad's shotgun.