just back...too many scooters!

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If there really is an increase in recent EVC use is due to the time of year. Both seeing the Christmas decorations and the fact that people knowing this assistance makes their trip possible might also plan to go in less crowded and busy times (off season when schools are still in session.)

The problem is there is no "off season" at WDW any more. There is crazy, incredabily crazy and over the top insane. It seems all the "good times" to go, have gotten out and so many people go then, it is also very busy. (this really is a good thing for WDW and stock holders, but not if you are trying to go when it isn't as busy.) ;) :teeth:
 
I am one of those people who has to use a scooter and believe me it is not because I want to. I am only 48 years old. Because of 2 small strokes 5 years ago I have weakness on my right side. I am also diabetic and have severe diabetic neuropathy in both my legs. To look at me you would never know. I hate that my body is broken down but I refuse to give in to it and let the world see my pain. The day will come when I will no longer be able to continue to do the things that I do now but until then I don't complain to anyone about my pain and do the best I can.

As far as "running" into people. You have to remember when you are operating one of those scooters and someone walks in front of you, you cannot immediately stop. This happens to me all the time. There are no brakes, just a hand contol to let up on. So when you walk in front of someone on a scooter, the scooter is not going to stop immediately, please keep this in mind as you walk around the parks. When I see someone who is not paying attention to where they are walking I always stop but sometimes it can't be helped. If you see me in the parks, I am the courteous scooter driver so please be courteous too! It's not by choice that I have to use that scooter! :sad:
 
POSTERS BEWARE!!!!!!

Next September there will be a mean 78 year old irish tempered woman (aka my momma) visiting WDW for the first time and heaven forbid she will be cruising the parks in one those scooters contraptions, and will be the first time with her driving one. We are renting one from a local Orlando company but I will make sure she gets some practice in at our resort because heaven forbids if she runs into someone and they catch an attitude with her she will let them have it and mickey mouse himself will not be able to save the poor injured fools from her wrath

DON'T SAY THAT I DIDN'T WARN YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!
Just kidding by the way..........
 
Ahh -- the scooter debate

Step 1 --- some one posts that scooters are a nusiance
Step 2 --- folks indignantly state that poster should be grateful they are not handicapped
Step 3--- other folks defend poster by saying that many using the scooters don't seem to need it
Step 4--- anecdotes abound of folks who don't seem to need it but do
Step 5--- misquotes and overly-broad statements are made in which those against the scooters are heartless and don't want people with handicaps to be in the park and those for the scooters support people running rampant around the park and running over little boys and girls.
Step 6 --- Snacky Stack closes the thread

Repeat every 3 months
 

WDW LOVR said:
That being said, can someone answer the one question I've always had (and this is an honest question)? When you're waiting in line for a bus at park closing time and there are 2-3 bus loads of people waiting in line, why does a person in a scooter (and their whole troop) get to drive right past all the line and get on the first bus before the people that have been waiting in line ahead of them? We're all tired and want to get on a bus back to our resort and a person in a scooter at least has somewhere to sit while waiting for their turn on a bus. That just doesn't seem fair to me.

because thats where they are told to go work it out if the 40th person in line was in a scooter or power chair there would not be room to load them
 
88Keys said:
Ahh -- the scooter debate

Step 1 --- some one posts that scooters are a nusiance
Step 2 --- folks indignantly state that poster should be grateful they are not handicapped
Step 3--- other folks defend poster by saying that many using the scooters don't seem to need it
Step 4--- anecdotes abound of folks who don't seem to need it but do
Step 5--- misquotes and overly-broad statements are made in which those against the scooters are heartless and don't want people with handicaps to be in the park and those for the scooters support people running rampant around the park and running over little boys and girls.
Step 6 --- Snacky Stack closes the thread

Repeat every 3 months

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You hit the nail on the head! Or should I say, you hit the shin with the scooter! :rotfl2:
 
Yes, pretty much any thread that makes an ignorant judgement, says it may be callous and knows that they are saying something inflamatory will develop as this one has. The OP knew it would offend, and it surely has.

This is the song that never ends... though it goes on and on again...

See ya in 3 months!
 
Whoa! There are no brakes on these things??? No wonder there are so many accidents. Maybe we could solve a lot of problems by insisting on brakes?

I suppose someone out there knows why they don't and I would be happy to be enlightened as I've never used one. It just seems surprising to me.
 
keishashadow said:
[Question #1: where is the handicapped viewing area for the parade?

Question #2: do we just roll up to the attraction lines, he can walk a short distance?
not planning on getting a GAC unless I have to, DS is quite sensitive about all "the fuss", wanted to cancel trip.
The handicapped viewing areas for parades are listed on the park maps.
In most cases, the "handicapped entrance" is the regular entrance.
If he is using a wheelchair/ecv, he won't need a GAC (Guest Assistance Card).

If you come to the disBILITIES Board and check out the FAQs thread, you should be able to find what you need.
 
go cowboys said:
Unbeleivable! That is the most ridiculous comment I have seen in this whole thread.

No one is ragging on the handicapped. That statement just makes me furious. I have never posted anything that indicated I was complaiming about anyone needing a scooter or being handicapped. From the beginning my emphasis has been on the fact that there are too many scooters and that they are being abused by people that I do not think always need them! I even gave some examples. Actually I have posted that the abusers take the scooters from those that really need them. I have also said numerous times that I am concerned for pedestrians safety surrounded by "drivers" who do not know how.

As a Christian, I am taught to love all people, even you, but that does not preclude me from having opinions or voicing them.

Statements like yours tell more about you than they do me.
so you think that people dont need them so who made you judge and jury
 
waltfan1957 said:
so you think that people dont need them so who made you judge and jury

Well, obviously overweight people don't need them...just lazy, if you look like you are enjoying riding it...must be trying to sneak onto rides quickly, and the list goes on.

Prejudice reigns, as the poster her/himself stated.

And I stand by my statement that it is attitudes like this that give Christians a bad name. Loving people and having compassion for others must not mean the same thing to you as it does to me.
 
In a hurry said:
Well, obviously overweight people don't need them...just lazy, if you look like you are enjoying riding it...must be trying to sneak onto rides quickly, and the list goes on.

Prejudice reigns, as the poster her/himself stated.

And I stand by my statement that it is attitudes like this that give Christians a bad name. Loving people and having compassion for others must not mean the same thing to you as it does to me.

illness can make people overweight but how do you know, you can't so dont judge
 
In a hurry said:
Well, obviously overweight people don't need them...just lazy, if you look like you are enjoying riding it...must be trying to sneak onto rides quickly, and the list goes on.

Prejudice reigns, as the poster her/himself stated.

And I stand by my statement that it is attitudes like this that give Christians a bad name. Loving people and having compassion for others must not mean the same thing to you as it does to me.

as you stand by your statement obviously you have no compassion for overweight people or the lazy as you know this and when we go to wdw in 2 weeks i will make sure to tell my wife to look completly miserable just in case you are there
 
go cowboys said:
We just returned from 8 days at WDW and had a wonderful time...but I think these electric scooters are out of control! I was personally hit by a lady during MVMCP and saw another person get run over after Fantasmic.
I understand that some need a little help getting around but it seems that anyone who is not wanting to walk will pay the money to rent one and some have no idea how to drive them.
They also seem to take alot of extra time on the transportation side as we all have to wait for them to load and unload first. Maybe this thread is callous but I saw a lady on a scooter who couldn't get it parked straight, stand up and lift the end around to straighten it up. Then after taking 3 seats on the bus to park her scooter, sat in a separate seat that could have been used for some other tired tourist.

I may get flamed for this but does anyone else feel the same way? Who has the right of way?

I'm answering before I read any responses to your post (so, apologies in advance if I duplicate what anybody else says).
It doesn't actually matter how experienced or inexperienced someone is when operating an ECV. Many people are under the mistaken impression that these vehicles stop instantly - you know, release the throttle and it stops. Nope. Quite often, the ECV continues to roll a bit or a lot, depending on a variety of factors, not the least of which is incline. Also, many many Guests on foot just don't "see" Guests in wheelchairs or ECVs and step in front of them, or worse, stop. If you're walking ahead of one, yes, the rider should leave enough space to stop but sometimes can't. But more times than I can count, people will step across my path. My reaction time is pretty good, but not everyone's is.
You can't tell by looking at someone whether they need assistance getting around. Me? I have a variety of medical issues. I look fine. I can, yes, help lift some part of the ECV if necessary. I can even take one apart. I can stand okay, walking is difficult and painful. Without an ECV? There's little point in me traveling anywhere. The last time I tried at Disney, I went from the MK entrance directly to Splash Mountain - by the time I got to the entrance, I was in too much pain to walk in. That was ONE attraction; I never actually rode anything that night. In a twelve-hour day, I could probably experience three or four closely-spaced attractions in a given park. Using an ECV, I can experience as many attractions as anybody else (or Soarin' eighteen times in a row :)
You also need to pay more attention to ECVs and wheelchairs getting on and off the buses. Yes, you have to wait for them to load using the back-door lift before the driver will let any passengers in through the front door... but ECVs and wheelchairs get off the bus LAST. Really. How many times did your bus driver keep the front door closed at your destination, trapping all the passengers until the ECV Guest was off the bus? Zero - and I wasn't even there. We spend more time on the bus than anyone else. First on, last off.
That woman whose ECV took up three spaces while she sat in a fourth seat? Well, frequently that's at the DRIVER'S request/suggestion. It's SAFER for ALL passenger, but especially the ECV Guest. Or do you think it FUN to be strapped into your seat six different ways?
 
TammyJ said:
Whoa! There are no brakes on these things??? No wonder there are so many accidents. Maybe we could solve a lot of problems by insisting on brakes?

All you have to do is let go of the accelerator (controlled by hand on the handlebar) and it comes to a complete stop. Since they aren't going very fast they stop quickly. Even if you had brakes on them you would still need room to stop just like in a car.

We were there last week and rented scooters for mil and fil. (And just in case anyone needs to know, fil is an 83 year old diabetic with a replaced hip that is going bad. He has also had a triple bypass and has ITP which prevents your blood from clotting. On the way to Florida his blood sugar dropped to 10 and when he went into a diabetic seizure he thrashed around so hard on the hotel room floor that he got carpet burns all over his body from the junky carpet. The ITP prevented the burns from healing quickly. So, he needed one. Mil, who is also 83, can walk and did for one day. But she was so worn out at the end of the day that she was miserable. So, technically, I guess she doesn't qualify for one but we got her one anyway.) I would sometimes help them by backing out of spaces for them or drive up to the exit of a ride on the scooter so fil didn't have to walk as far. (I guess I am one of those joy riders who steals the scooter from the person who really needs it) They are easy to drive if you are just cruising from location to location. But when people cut you off or you have to sqeeze through tight spaces they are more difficult to manage.
 
TammyJ said:
Whoa! There are no brakes on these things??? No wonder there are so many accidents. Maybe we could solve a lot of problems by insisting on brakes?

I suppose someone out there knows why they don't and I would be happy to be enlightened as I've never used one. It just seems surprising to me.

They don't have brakes the way we think of brakes. I will try to get a good explaination for you for the Pride owners board I am on.
 
All of these types of discussions turn into pages of arguements over basically the same issue, rudeness and lack of using a program for it's intention without Disney has to step in and enforce basic understanding.

The OP and everyone else that is posted they agree, are not saying there aren't people that truly need a scooter. Nor or they saying they are judging who should or should not have a legitimate need. They are saying there is an increase in people using scooters that really have no legitimate need and this excess of scooters is causing problems in crowded areas.

Just as there is abuse of the pool situation and the mug situation and room occupancy and on and on and on. And the main reason there is a problem is that there is a segment of society that must push the limits of anything and everything to make it fit their own personal needs and wants instead of following the written guidelines or even the unwritten understood guidelines.

No one is saying all overweight guests should be denied access to a scooter, but they are saying that possibly some of these guests would not need a scooter for being overweight; if they would simply walk more. And no one named any names, or said that a particular guest was guilty of this, but I have seen it and so have others. My aunt is an example. She is extremely overweight, she got that way from over eating and lack of exercise. Yes now that she is overweight she had medical issues related to being overweight. But the weight gain caused the problems. However since she knows she is the cause of her problem, when she comes to Disney, she walks. She is slow, and she has to rest often and yes she could get around easier and quicker on a scooter but she knows the walking is good for her. She also knows there are other guests that do not have that option.

I have even over heard conversations from perfectly able guests who could walk, but are just plain lazy. They sit around and argue out loud about whose turn it is to ride so they don't have to walk. If you are not able to walk Disney parks unless you have a legitimate medical reason, then maybe you need to vacation somewhere that involves less walking. Scooters were meant to be used by those that truly have a medical need not by those that simply choose to take the easy way.

If the OP had said I think scooters need to be limited to a certain number per park and after that No One regardless of need gets one, then I can see the anger and upset, however that is not what was said. The OP said there is an abuse of the system and it needs to be addressed.

Sometimes I do wonder if those that protest so loudly over these types of threads, if the subject might have hit to close to home for comfort, just a thought. ;)
 
waltfan1957 said:
as you stand by your statement obviously you have no compassion for overweight people or the lazy as you know this and when we go to wdw in 2 weeks i will make sure to tell my wife to look completly miserable just in case you are there
It's okay, waltfan1957, what inahurry was doing was showing "sarcasm".
 
...the unknown is always scary...hope we have an overall good experience, thanks to all for their help.
SueM in MN said:
The handicapped viewing areas for parades are listed on the park maps.
In most cases, the "handicapped entrance" is the regular entrance.
If he is using a wheelchair/ecv, he won't need a GAC (Guest Assistance Card).

If you come to the disBILITIES Board and check out the FAQs thread, you should be able to find what you need.
 
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