Is this realistic?

I have heard something similar but when you think about it, it doesn't make much sense. And I am not saying it is anything wrong with what you are telling me. But, if you do a 20 mile training run when you are training for a marathon you don't need to take several weeks off to recover. In most cases I was back to running 2 days later. So, why do you have to take so much time off after the race itself?

Having said all that, I decided against running this morning after I read your post. While I feel like a bum for not exercising in a few days I also realize its OK to give myself at least a week off after a marathon. Plus it was raining again and the last thing I need for my feet and blisters is to run in wet socks, that won't be helpful.

So, we'll see how the feet are doing on Sunday and plan on a run that day. I am planning to start getting up early next week to start P90X again too. I want to lose 10 more lbs by my yearly physical, which I think it mid December. Time to get my butt in gear.

As I said - it's a school of thought. I've heard it from running trainers including the group my mom trains with out in CA. I tend to agree with BuckeyeBama that longer than two weeks is counter-productive, but it might also be something you scale based on your body and level of fitness.

As far as why you need more time post-race - one of the first things I asked my coaches training for my first marathon was why we only ran 20 miles. His point was that beyond that takes more out of your body and it takes longer to recover. I'm still learning to run distances, but I consistently hurt more after the race (marathon or if I'm going full out in a Half or Ten Miler) than I do on my long training runs. It took me close to a week to really recover from the last half I did as a tune-up in September. I ran a few days later, but took it really easy because it still hurt like heck.

I'm just about 24 hours out from the Marine Corps Marathon and got itchy watching people running down the street this morning, so I know how you feel. I'm glad you got in a good run this weekend, even if it was in the dark.
 
Good for you to get out there and get running again! I totally understand what you mean about it being a way to cope with stress. I feel the same way except it is my LACK of exercise that is killing me. Good luck on finding a gym you like. I am definitely going to check out that podcast too because I need "normal people" motivation. The experts aren't cutting it at the moment.


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I hear you on the podcast with the elite runners. While I got some good tips from that podcast I often found myself listening to these people and thinking, "I will never win the Boston Marathon so I can't relate to these people." for example. They ran other races but you get the point. This new one has people who, so far, all seem to have started out obese and just found running to be the solution to getting healthy after trying everything else. One of them that I listened to so far still runs 9-11 minute miles. So, its not like we all can't relate. The last two happened to become ultra-marathoners and run up to 100 mile races. I don't see myself doing that but they still work full-time jobs and live normal lives otherwise. They struggle with nutrition and stuff too. So far its pretty encouraging to listen to their stories. One lady doesn't like Disney races so I won't listen to her episode again. :worried::( She says they are too expensive for most people to be able to afford. Maybe they are but they are more fun than other races too.

You just need to go to the doctor and get straightened out so you can get back on track. You have me worried.


As I said - it's a school of thought. I've heard it from running trainers including the group my mom trains with out in CA. I tend to agree with BuckeyeBama that longer than two weeks is counter-productive, but it might also be something you scale based on your body and level of fitness.

As far as why you need more time post-race - one of the first things I asked my coaches training for my first marathon was why we only ran 20 miles. His point was that beyond that takes more out of your body and it takes longer to recover. I'm still learning to run distances, but I consistently hurt more after the race (marathon or if I'm going full out in a Half or Ten Miler) than I do on my long training runs. It took me close to a week to really recover from the last half I did as a tune-up in September. I ran a few days later, but took it really easy because it still hurt like heck.

I'm just about 24 hours out from the Marine Corps Marathon and got itchy watching people running down the street this morning, so I know how you feel. I'm glad you got in a good run this weekend, even if it was in the dark.

I thought about the race issue as well. I guess if you are pushing harder during the race you need to recover longer. I just assumed that because I wasn't sore walking around by Thursday that I could run with no pain too. Rookie mistake. Even on Sunday my knees hurt a bit still and my blisters did because they still aren't fully healed. They were BIG. :rolleyes2

But I am planning to go out for another run tonight in the dark. It's going to be warm here today so I will take it. I will still plan to take it easy. I did a P90X workout in the morning yesterday before work. It just feels good to get back on track.

I would love to hear about your Marine Corps Marathon. I heard it's awesome and I have put it on my list of races I have to do in the next couple years once I get my marital issues resolved.
 
I'm still in the middle of the chaos but I now see a light at the end of the tunnel. Our party is over now and was a huge hit - it was pouring rain but we still managed to put on a fireworks show. We had 21 kids and OMG was it loud! LOL Sunday was a very social and productive day - we went for breakfast with some friends and then worked on a set up books all day until it was dinner time and I dumped the family went out with another group of friends LOL. Yesterday I worked an 16 hour day and I made great progress on the last set of books I need to do. Today I'm working a half day and then a meeting at the school and then taking the kids to the pool and then hitting the books again and hopefully I'll be done (although I suspect I need one more day) After that there's nothing on my calendar I need to do until November 15th and that's a fancy dinner for my birthday! I'm so excited at the thought of two full weekends with NO PLANS!! My kids have even made plans to go trick or treating with their friends and are sleeping over so although I'm a little sad they don't "need" me anymore for trick or treating I'm excited at the thought of a relaxing night. We don't get many kids on our street so a movie night it is! I will be back on track with the exercise and meal planning by the weekend for sure - can't wait! I've still been doing the walking in the mornings but haven't been able to get any of the C25K runs in.

I weighed in this morning to get my first official weight in a long time - I don't remember where I was at when I started thinking it was time to get back on track so I'm just going to use my pre-Disney weight as my starting point and go from there so I'm down 10.2 lbs. I know I lost more than that when I went to Disney so I've actually gained since our trip but it's a starting point anyway.
 
I hear you on the podcast with the elite runners. While I got some good tips from that podcast I often found myself listening to these people and thinking, "I will never win the Boston Marathon so I can't relate to these people." for example. They ran other races but you get the point. This new one has people who, so far, all seem to have started out obese and just found running to be the solution to getting healthy after trying everything else. One of them that I listened to so far still runs 9-11 minute miles. So, its not like we all can't relate. The last two happened to become ultra-marathoners and run up to 100 mile races. I don't see myself doing that but they still work full-time jobs and live normal lives otherwise. They struggle with nutrition and stuff too. So far its pretty encouraging to listen to their stories. One lady doesn't like Disney races so I won't listen to her episode again. :worried::( She says they are too expensive for most people to be able to afford. Maybe they are but they are more fun than other races too.

You just need to go to the doctor and get straightened out so you can get back on track. You have me worried.

I have myself worried. But I'm not entirely convinced that this is not mostly just me stressing myself out. So I am waiting. :confused3 What can I say? I'm a bad patient. My son has an appointment in a couple of weeks and if I don't feel better by then I will make one for myself too.

I'm still in the middle of the chaos but I now see a light at the end of the tunnel. Our party is over now and was a huge hit - it was pouring rain but we still managed to put on a fireworks show. We had 21 kids and OMG was it loud! LOL Sunday was a very social and productive day - we went for breakfast with some friends and then worked on a set up books all day until it was dinner time and I dumped the family went out with another group of friends LOL. Yesterday I worked an 16 hour day and I made great progress on the last set of books I need to do. Today I'm working a half day and then a meeting at the school and then taking the kids to the pool and then hitting the books again and hopefully I'll be done (although I suspect I need one more day) After that there's nothing on my calendar I need to do until November 15th and that's a fancy dinner for my birthday! I'm so excited at the thought of two full weekends with NO PLANS!! My kids have even made plans to go trick or treating with their friends and are sleeping over so although I'm a little sad they don't "need" me anymore for trick or treating I'm excited at the thought of a relaxing night. We don't get many kids on our street so a movie night it is! I will be back on track with the exercise and meal planning by the weekend for sure - can't wait! I've still been doing the walking in the mornings but haven't been able to get any of the C25K runs in.

I weighed in this morning to get my first official weight in a long time - I don't remember where I was at when I started thinking it was time to get back on track so I'm just going to use my pre-Disney weight as my starting point and go from there so I'm down 10.2 lbs. I know I lost more than that when I went to Disney so I've actually gained since our trip but it's a starting point anyway.

Yay for life calming down! :cool2: And a starting point is all that is needed. :goodvibes

As for me... Well I weighed in this morning. Up 2.8 lbs. :sick: How awful. I did do 30 DS this morning... well most of it. It kicked my butt and at the end I just laid there and watched the last bit from the floor. :headache: But it was more than I had done since Disney. Blah. Day by day...
 

I weighed in this morning to get my first official weight in a long time - I don't remember where I was at when I started thinking it was time to get back on track so I'm just going to use my pre-Disney weight as my starting point and go from there so I'm down 10.2 lbs. I know I lost more than that when I went to Disney so I've actually gained since our trip but it's a starting point anyway.

Down 10.2 lbs is excellent. Don't worry about anything but that. Now that life is slowing down just keep focusing on the positive and work toward the next 10.2. Before you know it you will be saying your down 30, then 40 lbs.

I have myself worried. But I'm not entirely convinced that this is not mostly just me stressing myself out. So I am waiting. :confused3 What can I say? I'm a bad patient. My son has an appointment in a couple of weeks and if I don't feel better by then I will make one for myself too.

As for me... Well I weighed in this morning. Up 2.8 lbs. :sick: How awful. I did do 30 DS this morning... well most of it. It kicked my butt and at the end I just laid there and watched the last bit from the floor. :headache: But it was more than I had done since Disney. Blah. Day by day...


Just keep focusing on all the positive you did in the last 6-7 months. Remember how good it felt and how good you felt about yourself. You'll get back on track.


I planned to run tonight. I have been up since 3 am but I was going to run anyway tonight after the kids went to bed. I got home from work and my foot was hurting because my blister got aggravated from standing on my feet all day. So, I decided to take the night off rather than making it worse with a run. It was very hard to do but I had to convince myself not to let it get worse or it will only prevent me from running longer. I just don't want to lose momentum and risk falling back into old habits now that it is harder to workout and run because it is cold and dark. That has me a bit nervous.
 
I thought about the race issue as well. I guess if you are pushing harder during the race you need to recover longer. I just assumed that because I wasn't sore walking around by Thursday that I could run with no pain too. Rookie mistake. Even on Sunday my knees hurt a bit still and my blisters did because they still aren't fully healed. They were BIG. :rolleyes2

But I am planning to go out for another run tonight in the dark. It's going to be warm here today so I will take it. I will still plan to take it easy. I did a P90X workout in the morning yesterday before work. It just feels good to get back on track.

I would love to hear about your Marine Corps Marathon. I heard it's awesome and I have put it on my list of races I have to do in the next couple years once I get my marital issues resolved.

What shoes are you wearing? If the blisters are that bad, maybe it's time to find a different pair or maybe different socks. I'm actually about to start hunting for a new pair myself, Nike has changed the Free just enough that I'm blistering at the arch and I didn't last year in the same shoe. Running is actually my cross-training, but it's one of the easiest stress management tools I have, too. BTW, have you read The Oatmeal's book yet? He talks about running the same way you do :)

My Marine Corps Marathon actually rocked. This is the first year I've been healthy through the whole training cycle and the weather this summer was great. (I am pointedly not remembering the 18 mile planned run that ended with heat exhaustion at mile 12 while I was 4 miles away from my car.) This was the first race I ran with a goal time and pace strategy. Last year I finished in 5:15 and once I finished the Navy-Air Force Half with a 15 min PR, I decided to set my goal as under 5 hours. I used a pace calculator to figure out 5-10-20 mile splits for 4:58 and 5:05 and wrote them on my arm. My coach wanted us to focus on big splits rather than looking at pace each mile and I think it worked well for me.

I started slightly slower than my planned overall pace, which was pretty easy because of the crowds the first couple of miles, and the dude who thought he was going to get around the slower people by bounding gracefully over the median and through the grass - which ended with him twisting his ankle and rolling into a sign post. I stopped to help him up and see if he was okay, then continued. I walked all the waterstations and tried to stay consistent otherwise. Actually felt good but my right foot started to blister around mile 9, which was completely negated when a friend surprised me by perfectly timing her break from work at the Kennedy Center (mile 10) and giving me a big hug. I smiled all the way through mile 15, when I stopped at the medical tent and grabbed a couple of band-aids. I figured that it was better to stop and take care of the blister than to risk not being able to finish because of my feet.

I ran into friends at miles 17 and 25, which helped to no end. Miles 23-25 for Marine Corps go under the freeway and around the Pentagon parking lots, there's nobody there and it's hot and you're feeling miserable - that's about where I started losing motivation and aside from the mile where I stopped for band-aids, mile 25 was my slowest. I did marshal enough energy to run the full hill up to the Iwo Jima Memorial, which I didn't quite manage last year.

End result - 22 minutes better than last year and 6 minutes faster than my goal time. Last year I'd battled Achilles tendinitis in both feet, plantar fascitis that likely came from running through the tendinitis, and a summer so hot that at least three long runs had to be cancelled. So, being healthy and cool made a huge difference. That meant I did at least one run on my own during the week, plus a track workout and long run with my distance training group. I think having a coach and being able to run with people better than me really helped me push past my self-imposed limits.

As far as running with the Marines - it's an amazing experience. And DC does races well in general; if you can't get out for the marathon, we've got a lot of awesome races in the 10 mile range including the Cherry Blossom 10 miler, George Washington Parkway Classic (10 miles starting at Mt. Vernon), and the Army 10 miler. Cherry Blossom and ATM both get you lots of monuments and the best vistas of the city and pretty good crowd support. The marathon is kind of the marquee event for the city's road races though - Rock Creek Park (miles 6-10, out and back) is one of the most beautiful parts of the run and you don't expect the parkland in the center of the city. Then along the Potomac River past the Kennedy Center (mile 10), Lincoln Memorial, and around Hain's Point (Miles 11-15. I'll be honest, lots of people hate this 4 mile loop because it's hard for spectators to get to and can be quiet - but the Marines spice it up with cool aerial set-ups for the photographers and the Cliff Shots station). Out of Hain's Point, you head down and then back up Independence Ave past the Lincoln Memorial, then up around the Mall and back down - turn around is around the Capitol Reflecting Pool. After mile 19 is the hardest stretch of the race - a friend calls the 14th St Bridge the "14th Street Soul Sucker" because it's so looooong and there's no shade or crowd support since spectators aren't allowed beyond a certain point. You see lots of people broken down along the medians at that point. Once you get off the bridge at mile 22, you go into Crystal City, which is a soulless outpost of commercial buildings and high rise apartments, until you get to mile 24, which is where I started losing steam. Mile 25 picks up as you get back onto the highway where the start was and crowds re-appear. The mile 26 marker is the point where you turn left and run up the hill towards the Iwo Jima Memorial and it doesn't matter how many training runs you do up that hill, it's HARD during the race.

The race is really well organized, and there are Marine volunteers (and other volunteers) stationed all over the place to motivate you. Marines line the final .2 and shout encouragement the whole time. DC is a big running town and our running stores and groups do a great job of setting up cheer stations and otherwise encouraging people. Those who aren't running get out on their own and provide excellent necessities like Swedish fish, pretzels, and beer. This year I even felt strong enough to take a beer shot at one point, and I took oranges, too. I'd do the beer again, but not the oranges - I spent 16 miles trying to get the sticky off my fingers.

So, that was long. Run Marine Corps. It's a lottery now, but Team in Training was recruiting fundraisers for their team all the way towards the end of the summer and I suspect some of the other charities were, too. If you can't do that, the George Washington Parkway Classic is often open until a week or so before the race, and so is the Navy-Air Force Half, which has a very similar course on the DC side of the Potomac, you just miss the (sort of meh) stuff on the Virginia side of the river.
 
Just keep focusing on all the positive you did in the last 6-7 months. Remember how good it felt and how good you felt about yourself. You'll get back on track.


I planned to run tonight. I have been up since 3 am but I was going to run anyway tonight after the kids went to bed. I got home from work and my foot was hurting because my blister got aggravated from standing on my feet all day. So, I decided to take the night off rather than making it worse with a run. It was very hard to do but I had to convince myself not to let it get worse or it will only prevent me from running longer. I just don't want to lose momentum and risk falling back into old habits now that it is harder to workout and run because it is cold and dark. That has me a bit nervous.

Sometimes you just need a day off. I totally get it about not wanting to lose motivation though. ;) You will get back to it.

I want to thank you so much for posting about the Everyday Runner podcast! I listened to the first episode yesterday and loved it. It is everything that I liked about Runner Academy's first episodes. Real people that I can relate to going through the same stuff I am going through. This is probably going to be my new go to for motivation.

Today I got up a little early and was all congested and yuck so I may be getting a cold. I got on the treadmill anyway. :thumbsup2 It was only 15 minutes (I'm struggling to get up) but better than nothing. I felt much better afterwards. Hopefully this is the start of a new beginning.

Just for the heck of it, I checked out the Dopey training plan to see if it was something I thought I could do. I just don't know. 26 miles is a lot. But it is an idea that is brewing in the back of my mind. Probably wouldn't be until 2017/2018 though because financially and physically I'm just not there yet. I need a goal. As long as I have one I am fine. Otherwise I tend to lose focus. :crazy2:
 
What shoes are you wearing? If the blisters are that bad, maybe it's time to find a different pair or maybe different socks. I'm actually about to start hunting for a new pair myself, Nike has changed the Free just enough that I'm blistering at the arch and I didn't last year in the same shoe. Running is actually my cross-training, but it's one of the easiest stress management tools I have, too. BTW, have you read The Oatmeal's book yet? He talks about running the same way you do :)

My Marine Corps Marathon actually rocked. This is the first year I've been healthy through the whole training cycle and the weather this summer was great. (I am pointedly not remembering the 18 mile planned run that ended with heat exhaustion at mile 12 while I was 4 miles away from my car.) This was the first race I ran with a goal time and pace strategy. Last year I finished in 5:15 and once I finished the Navy-Air Force Half with a 15 min PR, I decided to set my goal as under 5 hours. I used a pace calculator to figure out 5-10-20 mile splits for 4:58 and 5:05 and wrote them on my arm. My coach wanted us to focus on big splits rather than looking at pace each mile and I think it worked well for me.

I started slightly slower than my planned overall pace, which was pretty easy because of the crowds the first couple of miles, and the dude who thought he was going to get around the slower people by bounding gracefully over the median and through the grass - which ended with him twisting his ankle and rolling into a sign post. I stopped to help him up and see if he was okay, then continued. I walked all the waterstations and tried to stay consistent otherwise. Actually felt good but my right foot started to blister around mile 9, which was completely negated when a friend surprised me by perfectly timing her break from work at the Kennedy Center (mile 10) and giving me a big hug. I smiled all the way through mile 15, when I stopped at the medical tent and grabbed a couple of band-aids. I figured that it was better to stop and take care of the blister than to risk not being able to finish because of my feet.

I ran into friends at miles 17 and 25, which helped to no end. Miles 23-25 for Marine Corps go under the freeway and around the Pentagon parking lots, there's nobody there and it's hot and you're feeling miserable - that's about where I started losing motivation and aside from the mile where I stopped for band-aids, mile 25 was my slowest. I did marshal enough energy to run the full hill up to the Iwo Jima Memorial, which I didn't quite manage last year.

End result - 22 minutes better than last year and 6 minutes faster than my goal time. Last year I'd battled Achilles tendinitis in both feet, plantar fascitis that likely came from running through the tendinitis, and a summer so hot that at least three long runs had to be cancelled. So, being healthy and cool made a huge difference. That meant I did at least one run on my own during the week, plus a track workout and long run with my distance training group. I think having a coach and being able to run with people better than me really helped me push past my self-imposed limits.

As far as running with the Marines - it's an amazing experience. And DC does races well in general; if you can't get out for the marathon, we've got a lot of awesome races in the 10 mile range including the Cherry Blossom 10 miler, George Washington Parkway Classic (10 miles starting at Mt. Vernon), and the Army 10 miler. Cherry Blossom and ATM both get you lots of monuments and the best vistas of the city and pretty good crowd support. The marathon is kind of the marquee event for the city's road races though - Rock Creek Park (miles 6-10, out and back) is one of the most beautiful parts of the run and you don't expect the parkland in the center of the city. Then along the Potomac River past the Kennedy Center (mile 10), Lincoln Memorial, and around Hain's Point (Miles 11-15. I'll be honest, lots of people hate this 4 mile loop because it's hard for spectators to get to and can be quiet - but the Marines spice it up with cool aerial set-ups for the photographers and the Cliff Shots station). Out of Hain's Point, you head down and then back up Independence Ave past the Lincoln Memorial, then up around the Mall and back down - turn around is around the Capitol Reflecting Pool. After mile 19 is the hardest stretch of the race - a friend calls the 14th St Bridge the "14th Street Soul Sucker" because it's so looooong and there's no shade or crowd support since spectators aren't allowed beyond a certain point. You see lots of people broken down along the medians at that point. Once you get off the bridge at mile 22, you go into Crystal City, which is a soulless outpost of commercial buildings and high rise apartments, until you get to mile 24, which is where I started losing steam. Mile 25 picks up as you get back onto the highway where the start was and crowds re-appear. The mile 26 marker is the point where you turn left and run up the hill towards the Iwo Jima Memorial and it doesn't matter how many training runs you do up that hill, it's HARD during the race.

The race is really well organized, and there are Marine volunteers (and other volunteers) stationed all over the place to motivate you. Marines line the final .2 and shout encouragement the whole time. DC is a big running town and our running stores and groups do a great job of setting up cheer stations and otherwise encouraging people. Those who aren't running get out on their own and provide excellent necessities like Swedish fish, pretzels, and beer. This year I even felt strong enough to take a beer shot at one point, and I took oranges, too. I'd do the beer again, but not the oranges - I spent 16 miles trying to get the sticky off my fingers.

So, that was long. Run Marine Corps. It's a lottery now, but Team in Training was recruiting fundraisers for their team all the way towards the end of the summer and I suspect some of the other charities were, too. If you can't do that, the George Washington Parkway Classic is often open until a week or so before the race, and so is the Navy-Air Force Half, which has a very similar course on the DC side of the Potomac, you just miss the (sort of meh) stuff on the Virginia side of the river.


I really don't think it's my sneakers. I got no blisters all summer even when my socks were soaked with sweat. I got them walking around the parks before the race and they got bigger from running the ToT. Then they were getting better. Then I ran the marathon and they reappeared. Only this time they got even bigger. Now I am on my feet all day long at work so its hard to give them a break. I could probably use some better socks though.

Thanks for the description of the Marine Corps Marathon. I didn't realize the route and all the stuff you run by. That's awesome. I love history so that would be so cool. I hope to run that within the next couple of years. Good job to you for improving your time so much. Great work.

I have tendinitis in both knees and Achilles. Running actually helps it very much. It is when I take a few days off in a row I begin to feel it again. Yours hurts more?
 
Sometimes you just need a day off. I totally get it about not wanting to lose motivation though. ;) You will get back to it.

I want to thank you so much for posting about the Everyday Runner podcast! I listened to the first episode yesterday and loved it. It is everything that I liked about Runner Academy's first episodes. Real people that I can relate to going through the same stuff I am going through. This is probably going to be my new go to for motivation.

Today I got up a little early and was all congested and yuck so I may be getting a cold. I got on the treadmill anyway. :thumbsup2 It was only 15 minutes (I'm struggling to get up) but better than nothing. I felt much better afterwards. Hopefully this is the start of a new beginning.

Just for the heck of it, I checked out the Dopey training plan to see if it was something I thought I could do. I just don't know. 26 miles is a lot. But it is an idea that is brewing in the back of my mind. Probably wouldn't be until 2017/2018 though because financially and physically I'm just not there yet. I need a goal. As long as I have one I am fine. Otherwise I tend to lose focus. :crazy2:


I am glad you like the podcast. I like it very much too. It gets me motivated for sure.

Sorry to hear you are sick but great job getting up and exercising anyway. Keep it going if you can.

I know I am spewing positivity lately but you can absolutely do Dopey if you decide you want to. Do it in 2018 if you decide to do it. That's when I am planning to do it as it is the 5 yr anniversary and will have a cooler medal. It will also give you more time to train and prepare.

If you can't do it cuz of vacation time or money just do Goofy as it will be a shorter trip.

As for the race itself. Yes, 26 miles is a lot. It doesn't mean you can't do it though. You can. You just need to believe you can and go do it. You doubted being able to do 10 miles this year and you did it. Imagine being a 100 lbs lighter in a few years. You don't think you could do 26.2? Of course you could.
 
I really don't think it's my sneakers. I got no blisters all summer even when my socks were soaked with sweat. I got them walking around the parks before the race and they got bigger from running the ToT. Then they were getting better. Then I ran the marathon and they reappeared. Only this time they got even bigger. Now I am on my feet all day long at work so its hard to give them a break. I could probably use some better socks though.

Thanks for the description of the Marine Corps Marathon. I didn't realize the route and all the stuff you run by. That's awesome. I love history so that would be so cool. I hope to run that within the next couple of years. Good job to you for improving your time so much. Great work.

I have tendinitis in both knees and Achilles. Running actually helps it very much. It is when I take a few days off in a row I begin to feel it again. Yours hurts more?

Going into the marathon with blisters would be awful, and I finally had the time to read through the full thread, so I hadn't realized that you hadn't really trained for the distance. Given that, I'd say you did an admirable job - and that you're a little crazy :) I know you were disappointed given your pace for shorter runs, but I am truly impressed, especially given all the kid wrangling you do.

My progression towards the marathon was slower. I hadn't run more than 3 miles in years when I got into the Nike Women's Half to run with a friend - I finished despite only having run 2 miles in the 6 weeks prior to the April race thanks to a torn labrum in my left hip. Surprisingly, my hip felt better after a 13 mile run than it did after the 2 mile run. Then the same friend dragged me to a TNT intro session a month later. When we walked out, I'd signed up for a full marathon and started training that month, so I had the full summer to train.

Physically, I'm a bit of a mess, I have torn labrums in hip and shoulder, and surgery isn't an option. I need to be careful in how I increase speed/distance/intensity. My tendinitis and PF is more a result of compensating than anything else, so I back down when I need to. Pain is a fact of life, but it's manageable most of the time. When I had runner's knee (18 years ago), I had to keep running or it hurt more.

What I have learned is that I hate to do anything less than a 10k. The first three miles are always miserable for me and I spend the time negotiating with myself because I know it gets better after about 25 minutes when I'm warm. I think that's why I always thought I hated running - I never let myself get to the point where I enjoyed it. I still do the occasional 5k, in fact doing one on Sunday, but I try to pick races that have starts or finishes close to my house so that I can add distance. Might not be adding on this week though!
 
Sometimes you just need a day off. I totally get it about not wanting to lose motivation though. ;) You will get back to it.

I want to thank you so much for posting about the Everyday Runner podcast! I listened to the first episode yesterday and loved it. It is everything that I liked about Runner Academy's first episodes. Real people that I can relate to going through the same stuff I am going through. This is probably going to be my new go to for motivation.

Today I got up a little early and was all congested and yuck so I may be getting a cold. I got on the treadmill anyway. :thumbsup2 It was only 15 minutes (I'm struggling to get up) but better than nothing. I felt much better afterwards. Hopefully this is the start of a new beginning.

Just for the heck of it, I checked out the Dopey training plan to see if it was something I thought I could do. I just don't know. 26 miles is a lot. But it is an idea that is brewing in the back of my mind. Probably wouldn't be until 2017/2018 though because financially and physically I'm just not there yet. I need a goal. As long as I have one I am fine. Otherwise I tend to lose focus. :crazy2:

I finally had time to actually read this thread all the way though and just want to let you know how much I admire your will power and desire.

You can absolutely do 26.2 miles. Don't let the Dopey training plan discourage you - that's a plan for more than 48 miles, basically an ultramarathon over the course of 4 days. Look at the beginner marathon plan, up through Week 8 it looks a lot like you've described your training for ToT. Set 2017/18 as a goal and work on the shorter distances to get your pace down a little, then ramp up to half marathons, then a marathon. That gives you three years to get ready for Dopey and by then you'll be going fast enough that you can stop to ride Expedition Everest in the middle of the marathon.

ETA: I totally forgot to say "Welcome to the sisterhood of Sparkle Skirts!" Unless it's really cold I prefer to run in them -I *love* the cargo pockets.
 
I am glad you like the podcast. I like it very much too. It gets me motivated for sure.

Sorry to hear you are sick but great job getting up and exercising anyway. Keep it going if you can.

I know I am spewing positivity lately but you can absolutely do Dopey if you decide you want to. Do it in 2018 if you decide to do it. That's when I am planning to do it as it is the 5 yr anniversary and will have a cooler medal. It will also give you more time to train and prepare.

If you can't do it cuz of vacation time or money just do Goofy as it will be a shorter trip.

As for the race itself. Yes, 26 miles is a lot. It doesn't mean you can't do it though. You can. You just need to believe you can and go do it. You doubted being able to do 10 miles this year and you did it. Imagine being a 100 lbs lighter in a few years. You don't think you could do 26.2? Of course you could.

I really appreciate the positivity. My husband is supportive but not encouraging if that makes sense. I know that deep down he thinks I'm crazy but he would never tell me that! lol

I looked at the Dopey training plan and I do think that I could stick to it. It's not that bad until the runs get up over 15 miles, then I start thinking, uh huh. I don't know about that. o.o I think that 2018 would be a good year for it anyway. That gives me plenty of time. ::yes:: I'm going to need it.

I finally had time to actually read this thread all the way though and just want to let you know how much I admire your will power and desire.

You can absolutely do 26.2 miles. Don't let the Dopey training plan discourage you - that's a plan for more than 48 miles, basically an ultramarathon over the course of 4 days. Look at the beginner marathon plan, up through Week 8 it looks a lot like you've described your training for ToT. Set 2017/18 as a goal and work on the shorter distances to get your pace down a little, then ramp up to half marathons, then a marathon. That gives you three years to get ready for Dopey and by then you'll be going fast enough that you can stop to ride Expedition Everest in the middle of the marathon.

ETA: I totally forgot to say "Welcome to the sisterhood of Sparkle Skirts!" Unless it's really cold I prefer to run in them -I *love* the cargo pockets.

I think that is exactly what I am going to do. I know that I have several 5k's coming early next year anyway. It's funny. I never thought I wouldn't be worried about a 1/2 marathon but in my mind it is no big deal. A marathon though... that will take some getting used to. lol

And I love my Sparkle Skirt. Which is funny because I do not wear skirts/dresses often as it is just not who I am. And even in the pictures from ToT, it wasn't too bad. lol

So today I was looking around for a goal. Yes I would love to do Dopey, but it is too abstract and far out for me. 5k's are not a "big" goal and wouldn't convince me to push myself. There is a 1/2 marathon run locally in the beginning of May (right before my birthday) that I am seriously considering signing up for. It would make me continue to work on my distance running and not fall completely off. It starts at 7:30am and ends at 11am which is a 16 minute pace. I was not quite there when I ran at Disney so I would need to improve some just to finish within the time constraints. I was explaining to a friend this morning that the worst thing for me is to be embarrassed. I would be super embarrassed to either not finish or be all alone in the back of the pack. This would help force me to push harder instead of coasting. So it looks like this is the short term goal for now.

I did make a dr. appt for tomorrow to get an all clear. I still feel blah and just want to be sure that physically I am ok. :cool2:

Dizzy, are you still hanging in? :goodvibes
 
Going into the marathon with blisters would be awful, and I finally had the time to read through the full thread, so I hadn't realized that you hadn't really trained for the distance. Given that, I'd say you did an admirable job - and that you're a little crazy :) I know you were disappointed given your pace for shorter runs, but I am truly impressed, especially given all the kid wrangling you do.

My progression towards the marathon was slower. I hadn't run more than 3 miles in years when I got into the Nike Women's Half to run with a friend - I finished despite only having run 2 miles in the 6 weeks prior to the April race thanks to a torn labrum in my left hip. Surprisingly, my hip felt better after a 13 mile run than it did after the 2 mile run. Then the same friend dragged me to a TNT intro session a month later. When we walked out, I'd signed up for a full marathon and started training that month, so I had the full summer to train.

Physically, I'm a bit of a mess, I have torn labrums in hip and shoulder, and surgery isn't an option. I need to be careful in how I increase speed/distance/intensity. My tendinitis and PF is more a result of compensating than anything else, so I back down when I need to. Pain is a fact of life, but it's manageable most of the time. When I had runner's knee (18 years ago), I had to keep running or it hurt more.

What I have learned is that I hate to do anything less than a 10k. The first three miles are always miserable for me and I spend the time negotiating with myself because I know it gets better after about 25 minutes when I'm warm. I think that's why I always thought I hated running - I never let myself get to the point where I enjoyed it. I still do the occasional 5k, in fact doing one on Sunday, but I try to pick races that have starts or finishes close to my house so that I can add distance. Might not be adding on this week though!


Yep, I do crazy stuff on occasion. While it was crazy I am glad I did it. It all worked out.

I think taking it slow is the way to go. I might have enjoyed my first marathon more if I did but I'll never forget my first marathon, that's for sure.

I am with you. I dislike the first 3 miles of a run. I think most runners feel the same way which is why some people quit initially because they don't last long enough to try to get longer distances.
 
I really appreciate the positivity. My husband is supportive but not encouraging if that makes sense. I know that deep down he thinks I'm crazy but he would never tell me that! lol

I looked at the Dopey training plan and I do think that I could stick to it. It's not that bad until the runs get up over 15 miles, then I start thinking, uh huh. I don't know about that. o.o I think that 2018 would be a good year for it anyway. That gives me plenty of time. ::yes:: I'm going to need it.

I think that is exactly what I am going to do. I know that I have several 5k's coming early next year anyway. It's funny. I never thought I wouldn't be worried about a 1/2 marathon but in my mind it is no big deal. A marathon though... that will take some getting used to. lol

So today I was looking around for a goal. Yes I would love to do Dopey, but it is too abstract and far out for me. 5k's are not a "big" goal and wouldn't convince me to push myself. There is a 1/2 marathon run locally in the beginning of May (right before my birthday) that I am seriously considering signing up for. It would make me continue to work on my distance running and not fall completely off. It starts at 7:30am and ends at 11am which is a 16 minute pace. I was not quite there when I ran at Disney so I would need to improve some just to finish within the time constraints. I was explaining to a friend this morning that the worst thing for me is to be embarrassed. I would be super embarrassed to either not finish or be all alone in the back of the pack. This would help force me to push harder instead of coasting. So it looks like this is the short term goal for now.

I did make a dr. appt for tomorrow to get an all clear. I still feel blah and just want to be sure that physically I am ok. :cool2:

Dizzy, are you still hanging in? :goodvibes


The StayCool that got me hooked on this thread seems to be back. Now I feel better.

I understand what you mean about your husband. I'm glad I can help encourage you.


So here's the thing. Everything you have said about running a marathon is correct. It is a lot of miles. 15 miles is a lot. It can be overwhelming when you think about it. When you drive 15 miles and think to yourself, "I need to RUN this" you feel crazy. But, you did 10 miles so its not much more.

You said a 1/2 marathon doesn't scare you, cuz it seems pretty "easy". I felt the same way. And, when I ran past the 1/2 marathon point I was feeling great. I had held back to be able to make it the whole marathon and I still had a decent time. It just felt like no big deal to me.

As far as Dopey in 2018. It seems far off and to abstract to have a for a goal but given the amount of work needed to be able to run 48.6 miles in 4 days it will be here before you know it. And, you need to commit to it in early 2017. So, you need to have put a lot of work in before that to be sure you could do it.

I would recommend a full marathon before then. Not because I am some expert now but because I would want you to get the most enjoyment out of your Disney marathon as possible so make all your mistakes and learn all your lessons at a local race first.

I hate the idea of waiting til 2018 too but I may have to do Wine and Dine to get back there sooner. :yay: I am hoping to get this divorce finalized ASAP so I can move on with life. It will still take some time as I have gotten one check so far but I'm hoping to do the Wine and Dine by 2016 or 17.

Anyway, my point is you could set short term goals with that being the final goal. And before you know it, it will be here. I just know how awesome I felt as I got my medal. I can only imagine walking around with all 6 of them around my neck. Keep the eye on the prize!!!

Ran 4.8 miles today. My legs felt like lead. But, I made it through. It was pretty warm out so that was good. Dreading the treadmill all winter but it has to be done to accomplish my goals I have set for myself next year, which I don't know if I shared or not yet?
 
I think that is exactly what I am going to do. I know that I have several 5k's coming early next year anyway. It's funny. I never thought I wouldn't be worried about a 1/2 marathon but in my mind it is no big deal. A marathon though... that will take some getting used to. lol

And I love my Sparkle Skirt. Which is funny because I do not wear skirts/dresses often as it is just not who I am. And even in the pictures from ToT, it wasn't too bad. lol

So today I was looking around for a goal. Yes I would love to do Dopey, but it is too abstract and far out for me. 5k's are not a "big" goal and wouldn't convince me to push myself. There is a 1/2 marathon run locally in the beginning of May (right before my birthday) that I am seriously considering signing up for. It would make me continue to work on my distance running and not fall completely off. It starts at 7:30am and ends at 11am which is a 16 minute pace. I was not quite there when I ran at Disney so I would need to improve some just to finish within the time constraints. I was explaining to a friend this morning that the worst thing for me is to be embarrassed. I would be super embarrassed to either not finish or be all alone in the back of the pack. This would help force me to push harder instead of coasting. So it looks like this is the short term goal for now.

I did make a dr. appt for tomorrow to get an all clear. I still feel blah and just want to be sure that physically I am ok. :cool2:

Dizzy, are you still hanging in? :goodvibes

You definitely have time between now and May to be able to run a half at under a 16 minute pace, and working to get there will get you under the Disney pacing requirement, too.

Have you asked your running store about local running groups? The group I train with has a Running 101 series that transitions into 201 and then distance training where you can train for anything from a 10k to a full marathon. A track workout with intervals is the best way to increase your speed, and our 101 group had people who couldn't make it around a single lap of the track without walking who went on to run a 5k without stopping a few months later. The group my mom trains with in CA took her from crossing the finish line last every time to winning her age group.

For me group training works because I have some accountability for getting up and joining the Sunday am long run even when I'd rather sleep in - and for less than the cost of two pairs of running shoes, I get a training plan and access to a coach who knows what she's doing, even if she is relentlessly cheerful :cheer2:
 
The StayCool that got me hooked on this thread seems to be back. Now I feel better.

So here's the thing. Everything you have said about running a marathon is correct. It is a lot of miles. 15 miles is a lot. It can be overwhelming when you think about it. When you drive 15 miles and think to yourself, "I need to RUN this" you feel crazy. But, you did 10 miles so its not much more.

You said a 1/2 marathon doesn't scare you, cuz it seems pretty "easy". I felt the same way. And, when I ran past the 1/2 marathon point I was feeling great. I had held back to be able to make it the whole marathon and I still had a decent time. It just felt like no big deal to me.

As far as Dopey in 2018. It seems far off and to abstract to have a for a goal but given the amount of work needed to be able to run 48.6 miles in 4 days it will be here before you know it. And, you need to commit to it in early 2017. So, you need to have put a lot of work in before that to be sure you could do it.

I would recommend a full marathon before then. Not because I am some expert now but because I would want you to get the most enjoyment out of your Disney marathon as possible so make all your mistakes and learn all your lessons at a local race first.

I hate the idea of waiting til 2018 too but I may have to do Wine and Dine to get back there sooner. :yay: I am hoping to get this divorce finalized ASAP so I can move on with life. It will still take some time as I have gotten one check so far but I'm hoping to do the Wine and Dine by 2016 or 17.

Anyway, my point is you could set short term goals with that being the final goal. And before you know it, it will be here. I just know how awesome I felt as I got my medal. I can only imagine walking around with all 6 of them around my neck. Keep the eye on the prize!!!

Ran 4.8 miles today. My legs felt like lead. But, I made it through. It was pretty warm out so that was good. Dreading the treadmill all winter but it has to be done to accomplish my goals I have set for myself next year, which I don't know if I shared or not yet?

I don't think you did share your new goal yet. So please do. :)

I agree with everything you said. I thought that 10 miles was crazy at the beginning of the year. I guess I just can't wrap my mind around doing more than double that. But who knows? Maybe I will get there eventually. I do have stepping stones along the way so there is that.

You definitely have time between now and May to be able to run a half at under a 16 minute pace, and working to get there will get you under the Disney pacing requirement, too.

Have you asked your running store about local running groups? The group I train with has a Running 101 series that transitions into 201 and then distance training where you can train for anything from a 10k to a full marathon. A track workout with intervals is the best way to increase your speed, and our 101 group had people who couldn't make it around a single lap of the track without walking who went on to run a 5k without stopping a few months later. The group my mom trains with in CA took her from crossing the finish line last every time to winning her age group.

For me group training works because I have some accountability for getting up and joining the Sunday am long run even when I'd rather sleep in - and for less than the cost of two pairs of running shoes, I get a training plan and access to a coach who knows what she's doing, even if she is relentlessly cheerful :cheer2:

There is a somewhat local running group about 35 minutes from my house. I have shied away from it because I feel uncomfortable worrying about my pace in addition to matching it with others. I know I need to just get over it, but it is a big mental hang up of mine. Plus I have to be honest, I enjoyed the alone time of my long runs. lol I would have to look to see if they have beginner runs. On Facebook it appears that it is just one big group.

So today I sucked it up and went to Zumba. I stuck it out through the whole thing. It was rough. Then I cancelled my dr appt. :crazy2: Yeah... Oh well.
 
Chiomaca: the running group is a good idea. I like the idea of having to meet someone because it forces you to get out there and run. But, I also agree with StayCool. I LOVE my running time. With all the stuff I have going on with the wife this year my running time was my thinking time. I have considered a running coach though, I just don't know how to go about finding a good one.

StayCool, do you WANT to run a marathon? Do you WANT to run Dopey? Do you believe in yourself and realize you can do it? Do you want those 6 medals around your neck? (Did you see all the medals at the expo?) Because if you want it then you can do it. If you are doing it because you feel like you have to prove yourself or for some other external reason it will be much harder. You will lose the weight and when you do run the races you will be running it with much less weight so it will be easier. It's all relative. When I first began running I didn't think I could run 5 miles ever. I ran 4.8 miles yesterday and it felt like a jog to the corner after running a marathon. And if you keep listening to the podcast and hear some of the things those people are doing you will realize that if you are as determined then you will be able to run a marathon.


So, my goals for next year are as follows: (I may be crazy but I decided I was a lazy couch potato for so many year I know owe it to myself to see what I am capable of with a little work.)

1. I am currently 217 lbs. I want to get to under 200 lbs by the Father/Daughter dance, which is usually in April.
2. Run at least 3 half marathons and I am rerunning the full marathon I just did
3. All this is with the goal of qualifying for the 2017 Boston Marathon, which would have to happen next October because where it lands on the calendar.
4. I will study for and hopefully pass the first of 3 tests for this designation I have wanted and always talked myself out of because I was afraid to fail. (It has a 33% pass rate)

So these are my goal beginning now through 2015. It will be very difficult. I may never be able to qualify to run the Boston Marathon but I have to give it all I can and try. The lady I sat with on the bus to the ToT race she said it is the best race, it is so unbelievable. So I have to know if I can do it.

I signed up for the gym last night and I will begin going next week. I will do my treadmill work but will also focus on cross training so when spring hits I am ready to go.

OK, feel free to tell me how crazy I am. I'm ready for it.
 
I feel free!!!!! I finished the two sets of books I was working on and made the deadline for filing the GST (sales tax). It meant a full week of basically working around the clock but I'm now sitting on my couch with a warm fire watching a movie and I feel great! My schedule is now clear for the next month and I'm super excited to get back to the runs/walks/pool. Our grocery store just started home delivery and your first order is free delivery. My girls are both at sleepovers tonight so I made a menu and placed an order and my groceries will be delivered tomorrow morning while I wait for the girls! I'm so excited about being a homebody. Planning dinners and lunches will be a big part of the weight loss plan. I also bought breakfast stuff because I either don't eat breakfast or I go to McDonalds which needs to stop.

StayCool I'm glad you went to Zumba and that you now have a plan of action, we're totally going to kick butt!!

Waitingtogoback I think your goals are awesome and very doable with your dedication and attitude.

I'm going to try and do at least one 5k a month for the next few months and then bump it up. I had no idea just how many runs there are here and also how many people I know who are runners and who have run marathons.

I have to sign up for the marathon weekend in April so I'd need to decide by then if I was to do Dopey because it will sell out quickly. It's a difference of about $200 to sign up for Dopey vs just the other three races and I think I'm willing to spend the money just to give myself the option. Everytime I think about it I get crazy excited at the thought of it so I think it will fuel my motivation even if I don't end up doing it. I also want to make a medal holder for my daughter for Christmas and I think a collection of bling will also help the motivation because it will be something visual.
 
Dizzy, do I remember that you're in Vancouver? If so, that's on my list of places for destination racing. Some of my friends go out for a half marathon called "Sea Wheeze" - it sells out like a Disney race though, I assume because it's sponsored by Lululemon. I'm not a fan of their stuff, so that hasn't motivated me, but the pics of the run are beautiful!

Staycool and Waiting2goback, I do most of my running alone, even when I'm with the group. I'm in a weird in-between place where I'm slower than most of the people who run the distances I do, and the ones closest to my pace run shorter. So I join up in the morning to hear the route and pep talk, and then run pretty much on my own. But since most routes are out and back, I'd pass people and we'd say hi, encourage each other, that sort of thing. Even at track workouts where everyone was on the small track doing laps together, I was on my own. And of course, you have to do your own mid-week runs.

Staycool, I totally understand your feelings about your pace. I think you'll find that overall, the running community will be more welcoming and encouraging than you imagine. The Disney races are just one example. If you haven't found him yet, John Bingham is sort of an unofficial spokesperson/leader of us slow runners. They even give a "Penguin Award" to the last person who finishes the Marine Corps Marathon, named for the movement. The blog isn't well kept, but the archive of his monthly articles is pretty good. Poking around, I found this article that might speak to you guys, too. Running with a group.

Waiting2goback - your goals seem pretty do-able to me. Do you have a plan for the gym - what kind of cross training?

I've got my first post-marathon run planned for tomorrow morning, a 5k with a friend. It's for Women's Cancers, and we run in honor of a mutual friend, by after 12+ hours on my feet yesterday, my knees and lower back ache like heck. Not really looking forward to the run, but I'm sure it will be better once we get there.
 
I feel free!!!!! I finished the two sets of books I was working on and made the deadline for filing the GST (sales tax). It meant a full week of basically working around the clock but I'm now sitting on my couch with a warm fire watching a movie and I feel great! My schedule is now clear for the next month and I'm super excited to get back to the runs/walks/pool. Our grocery store just started home delivery and your first order is free delivery. My girls are both at sleepovers tonight so I made a menu and placed an order and my groceries will be delivered tomorrow morning while I wait for the girls! I'm so excited about being a homebody. Planning dinners and lunches will be a big part of the weight loss plan. I also bought breakfast stuff because I either don't eat breakfast or I go to McDonalds which needs to stop.

StayCool I'm glad you went to Zumba and that you now have a plan of action, we're totally going to kick butt!!

Waitingtogoback I think your goals are awesome and very doable with your dedication and attitude.

I'm going to try and do at least one 5k a month for the next few months and then bump it up. I had no idea just how many runs there are here and also how many people I know who are runners and who have run marathons.

I have to sign up for the marathon weekend in April so I'd need to decide by then if I was to do Dopey because it will sell out quickly. It's a difference of about $200 to sign up for Dopey vs just the other three races and I think I'm willing to spend the money just to give myself the option. Everytime I think about it I get crazy excited at the thought of it so I think it will fuel my motivation even if I don't end up doing it. I also want to make a medal holder for my daughter for Christmas and I think a collection of bling will also help the motivation because it will be something visual.


You say my goals are doable, and maybe they are. But, I am most worried about the weight loss one. I may never be able to qualify for Boston. All I can do it give it my best shot and if I do I will be satisfied. I just need a goal to keep me motivated and that's a good one. If I fail, I fail. But, at least I tried. The weight loss is going so slow I don't know if I can get there by April. I am losing only 1 lb a month in recent months. My body fat % dropped a bit this month, so that's good, but the weight is not falling off.

Dizzy, now that you are more free with your schedule just focus on your workouts and give it your all so you will know by April if you are willing to do the work to run Dopey. Running races is a great idea. Running as many races and getting that experience will be very important if you do Dopey. I think the medal holder is a great idea as well. If you have that sitting out somewhere that is can be seen constantly it will motivate you to run the races to get a medal to hang from it.

I personally had an eye opener today. I did my back and legs workout from P90X today. I thought it would be pretty easy given how much running I have been doing and how much stronger my legs are now. NOT. My legs were like rubber and I am sore now.

I listened to Fitz Koehler at the ToT expo. She said the best way to improve running is to do cross training. I had stayed away from my legs because I didn't want to overwork them by weight training on top of the running. She told me, because I asked the question, that weight training works different muscles and it is important to train them as it will help make me faster. Given the soreness right now, I guess she was right. Just more proof I have so much to learn.
 












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