I Was Surprised That There Was Not More "Chatter"...

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Their both insulting and tasteless.

As we all can be sometimes.... (I'm talking about me, not you!)

I'd rather focus on the politics.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

I think if she would have said it during the exchange the two of them were having I wouldn't have thought twice about it. BUT she had already walked away, found out who he was, and went back to tell him to shove it. I don't think that was right.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
I think if she would have said it during the exchange the two of them were having I wouldn't have thought twice about it. BUT she had already walked away, found out who he was, and went back to tell him to shove it. I don't think that was right.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by shortbun
The Gabors were eastern European, Heinz Kerry's accent is
Portugese and Afrikaner. Actually quite different. As I was
listening to her speech last night, I forgot she even had an
accent. You must live in some small town to not be accustomed
to accents in 2004!!! Where I live is a melting pot of accents,
skin color, religion, dress. I love it-it's the United States of America brother/sister; we all came from somewhere at sometime.
Or are you native American? I descend from two Revolutionary
War families, one German and one French. The RW familes both
came from Scotland originally.

Just to add to this, she is also multi-lingual and speaks five languages. I also enjoyed hearing about her experience with apartheid in South Africa.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Just to add to this, she is also multi-lingual and speaks five languages. I also enjoyed hearing about her experience with apartheid in South Africa.

I guess some people would prefer she smile, wave, and keep her mouth shut in all 5 languages!

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by auntpolly
I guess some people would prefer she smile, wave, and keep her mouth shut in all 5 languages!

Nope, not true for me. That's great that she can speak 5 languages...I just want her to show some tact when she speaks her mind. This 'shove it' inncident certainly isn't her first time saying something tasteless and I'm certain it's not her last.

 

[CamColt]

I didnt think the comment was that bad...Ive been known to lose it from time to time myself, LOL!
However, when I saw the video of her grabbing the Edwards kid's thumb out of his mouth, that bugged me. If I were Mrs Edwards, Id be pretty ticked that she did that to my kid.

 

[beattyfamily]

fyi in case you are interested and missed what actually happened...

Here's a link to what was said and even the video of exactly what happened.

 

[HollyJoy]

If she was Republican, the Democrats would have been up in arms over the comment.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by HollyJoy
If she was Republican, the Democrats would have been up in arms over the comment.

I don't know. She was Republican after all.

Richard

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by HollyJoy
If she was Republican, the Democrats would have been up in arms over the comment.

Anytime anything like this comes out about a Republican, I (and I'll just speak for myself) am not "up in arms"; more like "amused". I mean, they are the ones that are always going on and on about "character" and "family values" and stuff like that -- I just love seeing cracks in the armor.

Like when the Bush girls were misbehaving. I felt bad for them having to live out their teenage years like it was a bad sitcom or something. And like Cheney - he says the F word. Nobody else in Washington does, I'm sure! But if you are going to make a career out of getting outraged by Democrats lack of morality and the like, you have to expect to have your own pointed out once in awhile.

 

[BedKnobbery2]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Why was everyone in an uproar over what Cheney said but for Heinz, it's no big deal...even when what she said was totally unwarranted.

I think the surprise (I'd hardly call it an uproar) over Cheney was that A. he's stated before that their administration was going to bring "civilized behavior" back to politics (or along those lines--I'm just summing up), so it was rather hypocritical and B. he did it on the Senate floor, which is akin to swearing in church. It didn't surprise me, personally....mine was more of a response than anything.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by jrydberg
I'll sum it up... she was dead wrong about the question at hand, but the reporter probably deserved it anyway

I am surprised no one has brought this up sooner. If you mean she was wrong when she denied saying what he accused her of, you are mistaken.

She said UnAmerican traits....he accused her of saying UnAmerican activities. For anyone old enough to remember, or any student of history, UnAmerican activities has a particularly nasty connotation.

How often have we seen garbage like this happen.......someone is accused of saying something that is not quite what they said....and in the blink of two news cycles the lie repeated so often it is burnt into the consciousness to the viewers.

This woman stood up to a bullying reporter who tried to put words into her mouth. She drew a line in the sand. Making it clear such bull is no longer to be tolerated. Good for her ! It is time someone at last stood up to the news hounds and asked " have you no shame?"

Oh wait...that has been done before...too bad they all forgot.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Originally posted by BedKnobbery2
B. he did it on the Senate floor, which is akin to swearing in church.

Yeah right. ROFLMBO. Believe me, Mr. Cheney was not the first one to use the "f" word on the Senate floor and he won't be the last.

 

[wvrevy]

1 - Theresa Heinz Kerry isn't running for anything.

2 - I heard numerous reporters talking about her EXACT comments, but nobody could repeat what Cheney said...Still want to debate which is worse ?

3 - Shrub once called a reporter a "major league ******"...Again, considerably worse than what Theresa said.

More hypocrisy from the right...*yawn*...What else is new ?

 

[JimB.]

It's no big deal.

Just as VP Cheney's remark was no big deal.

I'm all for civility in politics & in the public forums, but I would SO like it if people would sound off about the appropriateness of questions more often ("ya know, that is a stupid question that does not warrant me wasting my time answering it.").

Too often, the press is treated like little demi-gods. They are just people like you and me, and if they act badly, or ask dumb/stupid/slanted/misleading questions in an attempt to make someone look bad, then it is fitting and proper that they be "called on it" in the same forum.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
I am surprised no one has brought this up sooner. If you mean she was wrong when she denied saying what he accused her of, you are mistaken.

She said UnAmerican traits....he accused her of saying UnAmerican activities. For anyone old enough to remember, or any student of history, UnAmerican activities has a particularly nasty connotation.

How often have we seen garbage like this happen.......someone is accused of saying something that is not quite what they said....and in the blink of two news cycles the lie repeated so often it is burnt into the consciousness to the viewers.

This woman stood up to a bullying reporter who tried to put words into her mouth. She drew a line in the sand. Making it clear such bull is no longer to be tolerated. Good for her ! It is time someone at last stood up to the news hounds and asked " have you no shame?"

Oh wait...that has been done before...too bad they all forgot.

She said something about un-American traits. The reporter asked what she meant by un-American activity. She then said she never said activity or un-American. He asked her to clarify what she said (the nerve of him!). She spouted on about him putting words in her mouth. He persisted in asking what she meant. She told him to shove it.

Fine, you can nitpick that she didn't say activity. That's a peripheral point.

She's clearly just plain wrong in asserting that she didn't say un-American. And frankly, talking about un-American traits entering politics differs very little from talking about un-American activities in politics.

She wasn't standing up to a reporter putting words in her mouth (if that was the case, don't you think she'd clarify exactly what she did say?). She was denying a controversial remark that she did actually make.

 

[bananiem]

Personally I think all she did was make herself look bad.
And if her husband is elected President the press is going to have a field day with her.

 

[BedKnobbery2]

Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
Yeah right. ROFLMBO. Believe me, Mr. Cheney was not the first one to use the "f" word on the Senate floor and he won't be the last.

Um. Did you not see ANY of the coverage about this? No one was upset at WHAT he said, it was WHERE he said it. Just a small sample:

But in the world of coarse manners and vulgar talk, Cheney crossed an invisible but indisputable line. It's not so much what he said as where he said it. Even as kids, we knew to never drop the f-bomb in front of our mothers, in church or in other special places -- like the U.S. Senate chamber when you are president of the Senate.

Two friends of mine -- compassionate literati -- give Cheney the benefit of the doubt. They have suggested that Cheney may be unfamiliar with the rules of cussing; that as a newcomer to the practice, Cheney may have inadvertently breached profanity protocol.

But I'm not buying that. His permanent scowl, squinty eyes and head-**** comprise the look of a man who could burst out into a blue streak at any moment. I think the guy has all the marks of a veteran profaner and vulgarian.

And I know of what I speak. This is nothing to brag about -- and I'm not making excuses -- but where I grew up, profanity was almost a competitive sport. And many of us quickly became title contenders. I guess it made us sound tough, so we could pretend that we actually were tough.

At the very least, Cheney's epithet to Leahy shows a lack of respect for one of the temples of our civic affairs -- our Capitol. As a Bush-designated ambassador for family values, Cheney's behavior is all the more perplexing. The word "hypocrisy" seems to properly characterize his actions on the Senate floor.

How can Cheney reconcile his intemperate jargon with an administration that has countenanced the draping of the nude statues of the Spirit of Justice and the Majesty of Law in the Great Hall of the Justice Department? It may be no mistake that those are the two symbols this crowd wants to hide from us.

link to the article: http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/mistick/s_202518.html

Not that I truly think or thought it was a big deal, just wanted to point you in the right direction regarding why people were even talking about it.

 

[faithinkarma]

If you think that differentiating between unamerican activities and unamerican traits is nitpicking, then there is no point in continuing this discussion whatsoever. This is one of those "either you get it or you don't" things. Unamerican activities has ties to one of the most shameful periods in American history...to try to put those words in someone's mouth is disgusting. And this "reporter" who is in fact not a reporter but an editorial writer knew precisely what he was doing.

There seems to be little point in continuing any discussion in hee. People have alligned with sides and no matter what happens they will stand up for their side. Right or wrong.

On other boards there was a huge hue and cry about Jenna Bush sticking her tongue out at the camera. To me it looked like exactly what it was...playful...no biggie. But I know perfectly well that had that been Chelsea Clinton, that the DIS would have been ablaze with the inappropriateness of it, claiming it proved how unfit Bill and Hillary were as parents.