For you smokers out there......

[yitbos96bb]

I say no, many people purchased into DVC with the understanding that there would be some smoking rooms. I am a non-smoker, and I don't like being placed in a smoking room, but really, if we ban it (unless by state/local law) what happens if someone does smoke in a room? Are they fined? Will you guarantee that the right person/party is fined? Should we add another responsibility to our maids to be "smoke police"? Just think, all of you complaining about getting into rooms late now, what if the maids have to conduct "smell tests" then make a written report to fine the previous occupant, it would have to be documented, wouldn't it? Should we hire additional maids and raise our dues?

I wouldn't have a problem banning smoking if it were done by law, but I don't think Disney will do it unilaterally...and I'm not sure I'd want them to. I sure wouldn't want bogus smoking charges showing up on my member account or credit that I'd have to try to get reversed.

Excellent Statement Chuck!

 

[yitbos96bb]

Since I am allergic to smoke and it's a harmful substance I say YES!!![/Q]

How is it a harmful substance if you are not in the same room as the smoker smoking? If the smell of old smoke settling into a room bothers you, then obviously you should request a non-smoking room as you probably do now.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Not only a safty issue, but a maintenance issue as well. There is far less maintenance if you don't have folks scorching things, not to mention the dirt, smell and film on everything from smoking.

 

[yitbos96bb]

Me. It's already in place in some hotels. Why not Disney?

Because Disney actually respects ALL its customers and not just one group of them. Hence why they have Smoking and non-smoking rooms. And please don't kid yourself and think that other hotels banning smoking did it out of any concern for guests. They did it because it is harder for them to rent smoking rooms as there are more non-smokers out there. It was purely an economic issue.

 

[athenna]

I don't want to hear it from smokers. No matter what they do, they are inconsiderate. It's all about them.

That's a little extreme, don't you think?

 

[dianeschlicht]

Since I am allergic to smoke and it's a harmful substance I say YES!!![/Q]

How is it a harmful substance if you are not in the same room as the smoker smoking? If the smell of old smoke settling into a room bothers you, then obviously you should request a non-smoking room as you probably do now.

Smoke creates particulates that stay in and on surfaces. These particulates cause an allergic reaction in some of us, so even if someone smoked in that room a few guests ago, it IS a problem.

And also, many non-smokers don't give a damn if the room is non-smoking, they will smoke anyway. SO might as well try to contain the smoking to a select number of rooms.

At other timeshares, if you smoke in a non-smoking room, housekeeping is required to report it, and you are charged a $200 cleaning fee. This is how ALL non-smoking rooms SHOULD be treated.

 

[yitbos96bb]

Not only a safty issue, but a maintenance issue as well. There is far less maintenance if you don't have folks scorching things, not to mention the dirt, smell and film on everything from smoking.

Where is the safety issue? Please don't say second hand smoke; given you are not in the room with the smoker, that would not be an issue. As far as fire hazard, I would say the stove or iron in a villa would be a much bigger fire hazard.

I agree on maintenance issues, but that is why you keep the rooms to a minimum. Try to maintain smoking to a small group... otherwise many smokers WILL smoke in the non-smoking rooms.

Keep it out of lobbies, hallways, etc. But there is no need to ban it from EVERY room.

 

[yitbos96bb]

Smoke creates particulates that stay in and on surfaces. These particulates cause an allergic reaction in some of us, so even if someone smoked in that room a few guests ago, it IS a problem.

At other timeshares, if you smoke in a non-smoking room, housekeeping is required to report it, and you are charged a $200 cleaning fee. This is how ALL non-smoking rooms SHOULD be treated.

Prove they smoked. You can threaten a $200 fee, but unless the person is dumb enough to leave butts lying around, there is no way to prove it. Most smokers are not that stupid, especially if they know of the "fee". And there is no way housekeeping can prove that the smoke smell wasn't there. Most people can easily argue there way out... plus as chuck points out, what if they accuse you Dianeschlict of smoking in the room? It is way to arbitrary.

And as far as your first point, as I said... if you are allergic to smoke then obviously STAY IN A NON-SMOKING ROOM. Seems easy and logical to me.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

BAN SMOKING FROM ALL RESORTS?
Sounds absolutely reasonable to me.

 

[jarestel]

And as far as your first point, as I said... if you are allergic to smoke then obviously STAY IN A NON-SMOKING ROOM. Seems easy and logical to me.

This is in theory a fine idea, and in fact today the vast majority of rooms are N/S. But what should be done if the previous occupant of a N/S room smoked in there anyway? It seems, based on the arguments against smoking bans so far, that N/S can only be a suggestion, and not enforceable, even if smoking in N/S rooms.

 

[disney-super-mom]

I say no, many people purchased into DVC with the understanding that there would be some smoking rooms. I am a non-smoker, and I don't like being placed in a smoking room, but really, if we ban it (unless by state/local law) what happens if someone does smoke in a room? Are they fined? Will you guarantee that the right person/party is fined? Should we add another responsibility to our maids to be "smoke police"? Just think, all of you complaining about getting into rooms late now, what if the maids have to conduct "smell tests" then make a written report to fine the previous occupant, it would have to be documented, wouldn't it? Should we hire additional maids and raise our dues?

I wouldn't have a problem banning smoking if it were done by law, but I don't think Disney will do it unilaterally...and I'm not sure I'd want them to. I sure wouldn't want bogus smoking charges showing up on my member account or credit that I'd have to try to get reversed.

I agree with Chuck on this. I'm also a non-smoker, but it wouldn't be right to simply say to those DVC owners who happen to smoke - "Sorry, but you can't smoke in any rooms at your home resort, or any of the DVC properties anymore, even though you OWN there." That just wouldn't be right.

Now, if the next new DVC resort happens to be declared an "All non-smoking resort" before sales begin, that would be fine. Great even!

 

[Disneymooners93]

How is it an loaded, unfair question? It is yes or no. Can't get any easier than that. My decision was not hard to make.

YES, but more so than just Disney, ban smoking in public places by law.

 

[Disney Doll]

At other timeshares, if you smoke in a non-smoking room, housekeeping is required to report it, and you are charged a $200 cleaning fee. This is how ALL non-smoking rooms SHOULD be treated.

I don't have a problem with this. Just as I don't have a problem with making the person pay for something in a room which they destroyed, vandalized, or ruined in some way, whether intentional or unintentional.

I am going to be perfectly honest here. I am not a smoker. Never have been, ever. Smoked one cigarette once in my life as a teenager to try it, didn't like it, never did it again.

I think smoking rooms should exist, for those folks who like to smoke. I think that hotels should never put anyone into a smoking room who has requested a non-smoking room, and vice-versa.

But I also think that any damage that is done to a room should be paid for by the person who did the damage, or their legal guardian. If a smoker smokes in a non-smoking room, thus necessitating a more elaborate clean-up than would have normally been required, then that smoker should be charged the added expense of the clean-up. I also think if your kid writes on the coffee table with a permanent magic marker, that you should be charged the fee that it will cost to refinish or replace that coffee table. I think if you break the coffeemaker, dishwasher, garbage disposal or whatever, that you should be charged the repair/replacement cost.

When I first enter a room, I note any and all deficiencies, and I call Housekeeping/Maintenance or other appropriate departments to report it, and I make sure I say "I have just checked in, so I am not responsible for any of this damage, but I did want to report it." I then take the name and title of the person to whom I am speaking. If the problems are corrected during my stay, fine. If they are not, and they are not "major" problems, that's fine too. I just don't want to get blamed for them.

Just got back from a stay at OKW in a GV. There were permanent magic marker stains on the dining room table and the coffee table. Red magic marker, as a matter-of-fact. Red scribbled magic marker. My assumption is that someone's child did it, not necessarily intentionally, but perhaps a young child, not too good at coloring, who "skidded" off the page at times? There was some silverware missing...did someone "steal" it, break it, accidentally drop it down the garbage disposal???? I called...all the kitchen items were replaced. The coffee table they said they "would look at".

Again, you wanted to consider smoking in a non-smoking room damage, go right ahead. But then there will be a lot of other things that can be considered damage too, so get ready!

 

[waltfan1957]

and also, many non-smokers don't give a damn if the room is non-smoking, they will smoke anyway. SO might as well try to contain the smoking to a select number of rooms.[/QUOTE]

??????????

 

[Luigi's Girl]

Since I am allergic to smoke and it's a harmful substance I say YES!!![/Q]

How is it a harmful substance if you are not in the same room as the smoker smoking? If the smell of old smoke settling into a room bothers you, then obviously you should request a non-smoking room as you probably do now.

I always request non smoking and have been successful so far but we've all read how people have been forced to stay in smoking rooms since it's not guaranteed and just a request. I personally could never accept a smoking room since (yes believe it or not) I am one of those tyrannical non smokers who can have serious breathing issues if forced to remain in a previously smoked in room. I believe in this case that would mean it IS harmful to me and trust me the rest of my family would then have to suffer due to my dilemma.

 

[keishashadow]

Ban it in the rooms AND the balconies! What's up w/people who figure if the room is non-smoking they can stroll out to their balcony & light up? Yes, I can smell & breathe your smoke.

As an ex-smoker perhaps I'm more sensitive to this issue.

But, as a real estate agent I've seen many houses that had to be repainted & carpet replaced before they sold; due to smell from years of heavy smoking occupants.

 

[dianeschlicht]

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And as far as your first point, as I said... if you are allergic to smoke then obviously STAY IN A NON-SMOKING ROOM. Seems easy and logical to me.

Yes, but that doesn't guarantee that I get a room that hasn't been smoked in, and I am sensetive enough to KNOW if there is smoke particulate in the room. It happened on our January trip, and housekeeping came in and ran an ionizer plus changed the bedspread to make sure particulates were not left there. I had no problems after that was done, but I do think the person who smoked in that room ahead of me should have been charged for that special cleaning. I can see that you are not sensitive to smoke, so you have no concept of what staying in a non-smoking room that has been smoked in can do.

 

[Disneymooners93]

I agree with Chuck on this. I'm also a non-smoker, but it wouldn't be right to simply say to those DVC owners who happen to smoke - "Sorry, but you can't smoke in any rooms at your home resort, or any of the DVC properties anymore, even though you OWN there." That just wouldn't be right.

Now, if the next new DVC resort happens to be declared an "All non-smoking resort" before sales begin, that would be fine. Great even!

I haven't got my contract yet so I don't know the answer. Is the right to have a smoking room in the contracts? From what I've read other things have come and gone (discounts, how occupancies are managed) that may affect what people thought they were buying into. Is there truly an owners "right" to smoke.

 

[skibum]

On a personal level, I say NO SMOKING!

As far as a safety concern, careless use of smoking materials are far more likely to start a fire than an iron or a stove, as well as be a true life safety concern.

 

[jarestel]

I haven't got my contract yet so I don't know the answer. Is the right to have a smoking room in the contracts? From what I've read other things have come and gone (discounts, how occupancies are managed) that may affect what people thought they were buying into. Is there truly an owners "right" to smoke.

Right you are, Disneymooners! As people love to say around here, if it's not in the contract, it's not guaranteed.