For you smokers out there......

[Luigi's Girl]

SNIP [/QOUTE]And also, many non-smokers don't give a damn if the room is non-smoking, they will smoke anyway. SO might as well try to contain the smoking to a select number of rooms.[/QUOTE]

I think you meant to say "many smokers don't give a damn "ect...
While you are a non-smoker defending smokers rights you wouldn't possibly be suggesting that many smokers might be inconsiderate and do such a thing
would you? I hope I didn't disgust you too much by my responses to this thread. I apologize if I did.

 

[disney-super-mom]

At other timeshares, if you smoke in a non-smoking room, housekeeping is required to report it, and you are charged a $200 cleaning fee. This is how ALL non-smoking rooms SHOULD be treated.

I think this is a good solution, although an occupant would probably have to sign something at check in stating they are aware and accept a $200 cleaning fee for smoking in a non-smoking room, and they'd have to give an imprint of a credit card to put on file. Also, a solution like this should help keep dues unaffected, as the costs of everything should be taken out of the cleaning fee.

I suspect though from time to time, and occupant may mistakenly be charged, and they would have no recourse or any way to prove that they didn't smoke in the room.

What if, after occupants who don't smoke checked out of a non-smoking room, and a housekeeper who does smoke decides to light up in the room for a little smoke break (after all, who would know or find out)? The housekeeper could then claim that it smelled like that when she got there to clean the room, and then proceed to charge the $200 to the former innocent occupants.

I wish I could come up with a solution to make everyone happy - too bad they don't make cigarettes with smoke that smells like strawberries, or cotton candy, or vanilla, or bubble gum, or even an odor free cigarette. That would be cool.

 

[yitbos96bb]

I agree with Chuck on this. I'm also a non-smoker, but it wouldn't be right to simply say to those DVC owners who happen to smoke - "Sorry, but you can't smoke in any rooms at your home resort, or any of the DVC properties anymore, even though you OWN there." That just wouldn't be right.

Now, if the next new DVC resort happens to be declared an "All non-smoking resort" before sales begin, that would be fine. Great even!

I can agree with that statement.

 

[yitbos96bb]

How is it an loaded, unfair question? It is yes or no. Can't get any easier than that. My decision was not hard to make.

YES, but more so than just Disney, ban smoking in public places by law.

Because most non-smokers have no respect for those that do smoke... 30 years ago, you could smoke wherever you wanted. Since that point, most smokers have moved outside and even away from building entrances when it has been required. Their complaining has NEVER equaled the complaining of non-smokers like you who CONTINUE to take more and more of their rights away. They are outside... cut them a break. They are in a smoking room, cut them a break. They should be given the right to utilize a few places until they realize just how unhealthy smoking is for them.

 

[yitbos96bb]

and also, many non-smokers don't give a damn if the room is non-smoking, they will smoke anyway. SO might as well try to contain the smoking to a select number of rooms.

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My bad... I meant many Smokers don't give a damn if the room is non-smoking. They will smoke anyway. However, most smokers will request a smoking room, so if they are available they (the smokers) can be put into them. If the smokers are going to smoke regardless, it would be better to keep the smoking to certain rooms VS trying to enforce some penalty that will probably be unenforceable.

 

[yitbos96bb]

I always request non smoking and have been successful so far but we've all read how people have been forced to stay in smoking rooms since it's not guaranteed and just a request. I personally could never accept a smoking room since (yes believe it or not) I am one of those tyrannical non smokers who can have serious breathing issues if forced to remain in a previously smoked in room. I believe in this case that would mean it IS harmful to me and trust me the rest of my family would then have to suffer due to my dilemma.

Perhaps Disney needs to change its policy and give Guarenteed NS rooms... I would be perfectly agreeable to that. And yes, after making your reservation and traveling to Disney and requesting a NS room, you shouldn't be forced to stay in a smoking room. That is unfair to you as well and a bad policy on Disney's part. Once all the NS rooms are gone, MS should tell people all that is left is smoking. That would then give you the choice to stay there or not.

But that still doesn't warrant making every room non-smoking.

 

[salmoneous]

Me - I want to ban all smokers. And people who wear perfume. And people who are just smelly in general. Kids - especially kids who wear diapers. Adults who wear diapers. Pet owners (banning pets is not enough as most pet owners have hair on this stuff that gets in the rooms and bothers me.) Ban 'em all.

And I want those kitchens clean. Nothing that anybody could possibly be allergic to should be allowed. Except shellfish (I kinda like shellfish myself). But we'll need a $200/shrimp fine for any left behind.

Whoops. Almost forgot about the pooh-sized folks. Can I tell you how annoying lumpy mattress are? Gotta ban everybody 200 lbs.

I think that's about it. Am I missing anybody?

 

[Kadorto]

Maybe the day will come when smokers will just wise up and quit smoking. If not...they won't be around much longer anyhow...either way we'll get the smoke free resorts eventually.

 

[yitbos96bb]

Yes, but that doesn't guarantee that I get a room that hasn't been smoked in, and I am sensetive enough to KNOW if there is smoke particulate in the room. It happened on our January trip, and housekeeping came in and ran an ionizer plus changed the bedspread to make sure particulates were not left there. I had no problems after that was done, but I do think the person who smoked in that room ahead of me should have been charged for that special cleaning. I can see that you are not sensitive to smoke, so you have no concept of what staying in a non-smoking room that has been smoked in can do.

The scientist part of me sees an intriguing sensory and psychological study in what you say. I will have to consider using it some time.

I agree with you smokers shouldn't smoke in Non-smoking rules. It is wrong. But it does happen... probably a lot more than we think. My point is that there is really NO way to prove who smoked in the room previously. Unless housekeeping SAW the person, then it can only be speculation. Even then, an irate enough guest saying that housekeeping is lying will probably get out of it 9 out of 10 tims. If you are as sensitive as you say you are, then the smoker could have been a few weeks earlier. So who is charged the cleaning? No one because it isn't provable that it was the previous guest or one two weeks before.

You never did answer my question... What would you do if Disney came back and said you were smoking in your room? How do they prove you were? How do you prove you weren't? Anyone socked with that charge will argue their way out of it 99% of the time? It has a lot of potential for disaster.

 

[jarestel]

Perhaps Disney needs to change its policy and give Guarenteed NS rooms... I would be perfectly agreeable to that.

I'd like that as well. But given that that the vast majority of rooms are N/S already, the chances of a smoker being assigned to a N/S room is far greater than the likelihood of a non-smoker ending up in a smoking room. So we come back to the question of how does DVC enforce non-smoking in the guaranteed N/S rooms if there are no penalties? It's exactly the same problem as having all rooms non-smoking. Some ( not all ) smokers will still smoke regardless of the room category they are assigned. And the guest that checks in after them will be left to deal with the odor.

 

[yitbos96bb]

Me - I want to ban all smokers. And people who wear perfume. And people who are just smelly in general. Kids - especially kids who wear diapers. Adults who wear diapers. Pet owners (banning pets is not enough as most pet owners have hair on this stuff that gets in the rooms and bothers me.) Ban 'em all.

And I want those kitchens clean. Nothing that anybody could possibly be allergic to should be allowed. Except shellfish (I kinda like shellfish myself). But we'll need a $200/shrimp fine for any left behind.

Whoops. Almost forgot about the pooh-sized folks. Can I tell you how annoying lumpy mattress are? Gotta ban everybody 200 lbs.

I think that's about it. Am I missing anybody?

How about people who talk? Their echoes could be trapped in the room and give people heart attacks when they think the place could be haunted.

People with gas goes with smelly people in general.

We should ban people who are sexually active as well... I mean there are all kinds of things that could be over the rooms. How about housekeeping goes in with a blacklight and then fines the room for every "stain" found in the room?

We should also kick out people who eat while watching tv on the couch. Those dried food spills may get some water on them and then ruin my clothes.

Oh and you left out anyone making any type of strong smelling ethnic food. Indian, Italian, etc needs to be banned to keep the lingering food smells from being absorbed in the furniture.

 

[yitbos96bb]

I'd like that as well. But given that that the vast majority of rooms are N/S already, the chances of a smoker being assigned to a N/S room is far greater than the likelihood of a non-smoker ending up in a smoking room. So we come back to the question of how does DVC enforce non-smoking in the guaranteed N/S rooms if there are no penalties? It's exactly the same problem as having all rooms non-smoking. Some ( not all ) smokers will still smoke regardless of the room category they are assigned. And the guest that checks in after them will be left to deal with the odor.

That is a fair point, but having some rooms at least makes it more likely that less smokers will smoke in non-smoking rooms. I am curious the current percentage of NS to S rooms at the different resorts.

I still see a penalty as toothless for the reasons I said earlier. How do you actualy Fairly enforce it? I don't see it being possible. It may deter a few, but I think a lot of the smokers who will smoke in NS rooms (and I have several European friends who fit this catergory. I usually give them grief for it) won't care or will know they can easily argue their way out of it unless seen by the housekeeper (and even then can say she is lying).

 

[yitbos96bb]

Maybe the day will come when smokers will just wise up and quit smoking. If not...they won't be around much longer anyhow...either way we'll get the smoke free resorts eventually.

LOL... That is a great point.

 

[yitbos96bb]

On a personal level, I say NO SMOKING!

As far as a safety concern, careless use of smoking materials are far more likely to start a fire than an iron or a stove, as well as be a true life safety concern.

Maybe so, IF the same numbers of people were smoking than using an iron or stove. However, given that most high estimates place smokers at 20% of the population, that would lower the odds of a fire at a Disney villa being started by a smoker vs an iron or stove

 

[jarestel]

I still see a penalty as toothless for the reasons I said earlier. How do you actualy Fairly enforce it? I don't see it being possible.

I agree with you about enforcement being a problem. I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas about a workable solution. If someone could invent some kind of "tobacco detector" they would probably make a fortune.

 

[yitbos96bb]

SNIP [/QOUTE]And also, many non-smokers don't give a damn if the room is non-smoking, they will smoke anyway. SO might as well try to contain the smoking to a select number of rooms.

I think you meant to say "many smokers don't give a damn "ect...
While you are a non-smoker defending smokers rights you wouldn't possibly be suggesting that many smokers might be inconsiderate and do such a thing
would you? I hope I didn't disgust you too much by my responses to this thread. I apologize if I did. [/QUOTE]

Yes I did mean to say smokers.

Yes I don't think smokers should smoke in Non-smoking rooms. But you miss my point that some smokers WILL smoke in non-smoking rooms if smoking rooms are unavailable. The more rooms available to smokers, the less number of smokers smoking in a non-smoking room.

I think smokers have given up a lot of concessions and it would be wrong for Disney to get rid of all smoking rooms.

 

[yitbos96bb]

I think this is a good solution, although an occupant would probably have to sign something at check in stating they are aware and accept a $200 cleaning fee for smoking in a non-smoking room, and they'd have to give an imprint of a credit card to put on file. Also, a solution like this should help keep dues unaffected, as the costs of everything should be taken out of the cleaning fee.

I suspect though from time to time, and occupant may mistakenly be charged, and they would have no recourse or any way to prove that they didn't smoke in the room.

What if, after occupants who don't smoke checked out of a non-smoking room, and a housekeeper who does smoke decides to light up in the room for a little smoke break (after all, who would know or find out)? The housekeeper could then claim that it smelled like that when she got there to clean the room, and then proceed to charge the $200 to the former innocent occupants.

I wish I could come up with a solution to make everyone happy - too bad they don't make cigarettes with smoke that smells like strawberries, or cotton candy, or vanilla, or bubble gum, or even an odor free cigarette. That would be cool.

They make filtered cigars that supposedly taste like flavors, but I don't know how they smell.

 

[DVCconvert]

Quote:
Originally Posted by salmoneous
Me - I want to ban all smokers. And people who wear perfume. And people who are just smelly in general. Kids - especially kids who wear diapers. Adults who wear diapers. Pet owners (banning pets is not enough as most pet owners have hair on this stuff that gets in the rooms and bothers me.) Ban 'em all.

And I want those kitchens clean. Nothing that anybody could possibly be allergic to should be allowed. Except shellfish (I kinda like shellfish myself). But we'll need a $200/shrimp fine for any left behind.

Whoops. Almost forgot about the pooh-sized folks. Can I tell you how annoying lumpy mattress are? Gotta ban everybody 200 lbs.

I think that's about it. Am I missing anybody?

How about people who talk? Their echoes could be trapped in the room and give people heart attacks when they think the place could be haunted.

People with gas goes with smelly people in general.

We should ban people who are sexually active as well... I mean there are all kinds of things that could be over the rooms. How about housekeeping goes in with a blacklight and then fines the room for every "stain" found in the room?

We should also kick out people who eat while watching tv on the couch. Those dried food spills may get some water on them and then ruin my clothes.

Oh and you left out anyone making any type of strong smelling ethnic food. Indian, Italian, etc needs to be banned to keep the lingering food smells from being absorbed in the furniture.

Exactly.

 

[trvlr4301r]

I happen to be married to a smoker for 31 years and we always book a nonsmoking room and he never smokes in the room. But as far as the comment from someone about smoking on the balcony....that is what he has always done as it is outside and no one has to have a smelly room from smoking inside. What is wrong with smoking on the balcony? Give the poor smokers a break...personally I have never smoked and I hate it and I hate the smell of it but some people are addicted and they just can't quit. So they respect the nonsmoking room and smoke outdoors on the balcony....they are not any different from other people.....they just have an addiction to cigarettes. Some people have addictions to food, alcohol, etc. Do they ban these people from restaurants and hotel rooms or say they can only stay here if they don't pig out or don't drink?

 

[waltfan1957]

I happen to be married to a smoker for 31 years and we always book a nonsmoking room and he never smokes in the room. But as far as the comment from someone about smoking on the balcony....that is what he has always done as it is outside and no one has to have a smelly room from smoking inside. What is wrong with smoking on the balcony? Give the poor smokers a break...personally I have never smoked and I hate it and I hate the smell of it but some people are addicted and they just can't quit. So they respect the nonsmoking room and smoke outdoors on the balcony....they are not any different from other people.....they just have an addiction to cigarettes. Some people have addictions to food, alcohol, etc. Do they ban these people from restaurants and hotel rooms or say they can only stay here if they don't pig out or don't drink?

theres nothing wrong with smoking on the balcony ?, but as you say you hate the smell next time he is out there go upstairs and ask to go on the balcony above him remember smoke rises. my wife could not sit on our balcony because the nice considerate man below us thought she needed to share his cigar sorry but smoking does cause problems for others but they never seem to be able to see this