For you smokers out there......

[Patty3]

I really think that DVC should accomodate both. I am an ex smoker and we are probably the worst at tolerating smoke. With that said, I totally agree with you that if DVC can not give you a smoking room they should say so and you could adjust your trip accordingly.

 

[DisneySpence]

Oh believe me JM the blame does not fall solely on the tobacco companies shoulders it also falls on the individual that picks up the cigs and smokes them and the marketing company that markets them as something they truly aren't etc.

 

[ClarabelleCow]

I don't smoke, never did, both my parents did, and it was disgusting, I remember as a kid at sleepovers, and hearing the parents say how my stuff stunk!!! Finally when I had kids, I told my Parents the kids couldn't stay the night because of the odor. (obviously I wasn't gonna ban the kids, just hoping for a reaction). It worked after a year, both quit! (Just telling a success story)

But anyway, Disney really dropped the ball on this one. I agree there should be smoking and non-snoking buildings/rooms. There should not be any smoking on a balcony of a non-smoking room. And they should give you the guarantee of a non-smoking/smoking room upon making the reservation. That way if non are available, you do have the decision to make alternate plans.

Someone way back in this thread commented on trends, I was shocked to read over the holidays that Itally was starting to ban smoking in public places including restaurants! Whether it's implemented or not, I was really surprised considering how "into" smoking the Europeans are!

 

[BCVBRUCE]

Why Should non-smokers be tolerant of smokers? Why should non- smokers have to to tolerate a substance(ie. smoke) that was not in the air in the first place? Non-smokers do not walk around with some magical device to remove all the nastiness from the air. Why should non-smokers have to tolerate the stench or the haze in the air that makes most people wheeze or their eyes water? Why should non-smokers have to tolerate cigarette butts thrown all over the ground?

The smoke, the smell and the unsightly trash that seems to be inherent with smoking is absolutely disgusting. Why should non-smokers have to tolerate a bad habit? Because smokers say so? Since when does the minority rule? Again, because the smokers say so?

I do not care if you smoke! However, please do not FORCE me to tolerate smoking and all it's disgusting by-products. It IS a big world and there is plenty of room, outside, for you to smoke to your sputtering heart's content.

Please be courteous of non-smokers by not asking them to tolerate such a bad habit in the first place.

 

[athenna]

At this point, most smokers are treated like they are aliens from another planet, and have no place left to smoke but their own homes or their own cars anyway. Smokers and non-smokers should still be able to have their own areas, not just at Disney, but in general. America-freedom-right?

 

[DrBond007]

Why Should non-smokers be tolerant of smokers? Why should non- smokers have to to tolerate a substance(ie. smoke) that was not in the air in the first place? Non-smokers do not walk around with some magical device to remove all the nastiness from the air. Why should non-smokers have to tolerate the stench or the haze in the air that makes most people wheeze or their eyes water? Why should non-smokers have to tolerate cigarette butts thrown all over the ground?

The smoke, the smell and the unsightly trash that seems to be inherent with smoking is absolutely disgusting. Why should non-smokers have to tolerate a bad habit? Because smokers say so? Since when does the minority rule? Again, because the smokers say so?

I do not care if you smoke! However, please do not FORCE me to tolerate smoking and all it's disgusting by-products. It IS a big world and there is plenty of room, outside, for you to smoke to your sputtering heart's content.

Please be courteous of non-smokers by not asking them to tolerate such a bad habit in the first place.

Wow!!!! Great Post!!!!

Funny how people throw that word "tollerance" around and attempt to apply it to behavioral situations. Why can't people be more tollerant of those cutting in the lines at WDW, not bathing for many days in a row and then standing in a crowded line, being in crowded situations while having a contagous disease, yelling obscenities and vulgar language at passing children, or driving while intoxicated? Absurd examples? Yep. Absurd to apply "tollerance" as some open license for any discourteous, disrespectful smoking behavior? As already described above, yep, IMHO.

I think there are many valid reasons that smokers should be reasonably accomodated, accusations of blanket intollerance is not one.

 

[jmminarik]

Why Should non-smokers be tolerant of smokers?

Because they are human beings?

Why,if I can be guaranteed (and this is the crux of this issue here) a (non-)smoking room should I enforce my preference on someone else? I'm not talking about rude behaviour. I'm not asking you to go stand in a smoke filled bar and enjoy it. I'm talking about one group of people wanting to ban the legal actions of another group of people when there is literally room for accomodation. It's the vocal minority who wish to enforce their will upon everyone, and to me that's just wrong.

-Joe

 

[athenna]

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[DrBond007]

"Why Should non-smokers be tolerant of smokers?"

I think the question is abbreviated from the real issue that is of concern to most posting here.

Why should non-smokers be tolerant of smokers.. smoking in non-smoking rooms and ruining the stay for the next guests, or imposing thier smoking on non-smokers with inconsiderate behavior.

I don't have a problem with smokers smoking in smoking rooms. I'd also contend this isn't a "human being" issue, this is an "inconsiderate behavioral" issue for me. Unfortunately, there are human beings who behave badly. Is it OK to cut in line at WDW, should we tollerate those waiting in line challenged guests? OK to spit tobbacco chew on the sidewalks, walkways and possibly shoes at WDW?

I think it's a great point that the problem could be solved with room guarantees, and steps to require smokers to adhere to room designations. A smoker smoking in a non-smoking room is still a problem whether its guaranteed or not. Instead of labelling it "tollerance", I think it's "mutual consideration." Being kind to your fellow man, both ways.

Times sure have changed. I remember in hospitals you would see nurses smoking at the nursing stations.

 

[jmminarik]

Just so it's clear, I agree with your (pl) sentiments about rude behaviour. I just disagree with an outright ban when there are enough rooms to have the two catagories and the ability to make guarantees. It irks me when people smoke in line, smoke outside the designated areas etc. Well, lots of things people do irk me since I tend to follow the rules (written and otherwise), even the stupid ones.

-Joe

 

[Scoootch]

Originally Posted by cdy16zz Telling a smoker to Not smoke for a week is askin to telling an overweight person not to eat in their room, and only to eat in designated areas!

Have to disagree here. Sorry but as an overweight person myself who yes..loves to eat...A. People have to eat to live. People do not have to smoke to live. And B.That point aside though, if a persons eating would or could infringe on someone elses health and there were anykind of rule that said that the type of accommodations were a "Non-eating" room then there is not a single solitary reason I can think of that an overweight/hungry person shouldn't or couldn't eat only in designated areas such as food courts or restaraunts and not inside the room or on a balcony.

My point (and yes there is one) is that smoking is a habit and one a smoker chose - I'm sorry you may be so badly addicted that you feel you cannot possibly live without it, but technichally, you could live without it if you had no choice. I am not saying you have to though. I am in agreement with those who feel the smoking/non-smoking should be guaranteed when we book but....if you end up in a non-smoking room I stand firm on my opinion that NO you shouldn't smoke on the balcony since smoke travels and can infringe on others. I also feel that if at all possible, the smoking and non-smoking rooms should be far enough away from each other that smokers in a smoking room won't have their smoke travel near the non-smoking rooms but that's another problem yet to be solved.

But the analagy of "it's like asking the hungry" not to eat is just a little silly to me since people have to eat - but people do not have to smoke - and people do not have to eat in a room. And if you want to say against this one that "people don't have to eat themselves into obesity", how does another persons being overweight affect someone else who's around thems health? So far I'm coming up empty on that one...but yet someones smoking on the other hand, can affect several people around them and their health causing all kinds of things from asthma to cancer and just the awful odor....just some things to consider on that analagy....

 

[Disney Doll]

par8hed, your post made me LOL!!!!!!!!

Some observations from a lifelong non-smoker:

~I am amazed at the intolerance we have for our fellow human beings. I am also quite embarrassed by it.

~I am amazed at how many more people these days have an "allergy" to cigarette smoke, and how many people have "asthma" that seems to only be triggered by cigarette smoke.

~I am amazed at how rude some people can be posting on an Internet BB. I guess the "anonymity factor" gives folks a little more "gumption" (not the actual word I was thinking of, but this is a family site) than they'd probably have in "real life".

~I agree that a smoking room request should be a guarantee, so that every DVC member has the ability to enjoy what they choose to enjoy on their vacation.

~I am amazed at how evolutionally-developed some folks' senses of smell are, that they can smell cigarette smoke outdoors from a balcony that's probably 5-10 feet away. Too bad Darwin is not still alive to research that phenomena!

Now I will don my flame-retardant suit and toss a little pixie dust.

 

[athenna]

Great post Disney Doll!!!

 

[ClarabelleCow]

disney doll - this is what I think the main part of this entire thread is about - Disney really screwed up on this one!!!
Smoking/Non-Smoking should be a guarantee!

"I agree that a smoking room request should be a guarantee, so that every DVC member has the ability to enjoy what they choose to enjoy on their vacation."

But yes, you can smell cigarette smoke that far away, I drive a jeep with the top down in the summer, and yes, I can even smell the smoke from the car in front of me, no, I would never complain, that smoker has the right to smoke, but if you don't smoke, it is one of the most foul smelling odors out there! As I said in an earlier post, "reformed smokers" are shocked once they get their sense of smelling back.

"I am amazed at how evolutionally-developed some folks' senses of smell are, that they can smell cigarette smoke outdoors from a balcony that's probably 5-10 feet away. Too bad Darwin is not still alive to research that phenomena!"

 

[Laurabearz]

I would like to see microwave popcorn free rooms. On our last trip, our room smelled like microwave popcorn so much we had to air the room out, but even that didnt get rid of the smell, plus anything we heated up in the microwave tasted like microwave popcorn.

 

[greenban]

I would like to see microwave popcorn free rooms. On our last trip, our room smelled like microwave popcorn so much we had to air the room out, but even that didnt get rid of the smell, plus anything we heated up in the microwave tasted like microwave popcorn.

At least it wasn't BURNT Microwave Popcorn!

There is a truly terrible smell, almost as bad as cigarette smoke!

-Tony

 

[Beca]

par8hed, your post made me LOL!!!!!!!!

Some observations from a lifelong non-smoker:


~I am amazed at how evolutionally-developed some folks' senses of smell are, that they can smell cigarette smoke outdoors from a balcony that's probably 5-10 feet away. Too bad Darwin is not still alive to research that phenomena!

Now I will don my flame-retardant suit and toss a little pixie dust.

Wow!!! Well, I must be REALLY advanced, 'cause I just opened a box of METAL CROWNS (don't ask, I run a theatre) shipped to me by a seller on ebay, and the crowns, packing material and the inside of the box smelled SOO badly of cigarette smoke, that I had to take them all outside. METAL CROWNS have absorbed the smell. I hope it is just temporarily...I'm supposed to put these things on the heads of children!!

I, on the other hand, never cease to be amazed at how MANY things can end up smelling of smoke!!

I'm not trying to be offensive, but seriously...how do you know what "bothers" other people? And, in the case of my mom...her throat will close even if she smells NO odors, but they are there. (However, that doesn't happen that often). I think as a defense mechanism, her body is VERY attuned to the smell of smoke. It makes total sense from an evolutionary perspective that those who have "issues" would be able to smell, and be bothered by smoke that others would not notice. To assume they are "faking" or otherwise is not very nice.



Beca

 

[bobbiwoz]

We spent Monday night in a smoking optional room at the Ft. Myers Holiday Inn, and it was awful. We allowed ourselves to be bumped off our flight and took the overnight stay. When we checked in, we asked for non-smoking and were told there were none, actually we were told that they always save these rooms for "distressed" (airline term) people. Talk about being distressed! Hubby fell asleep right away, but I wasn't so lucky, until I remembered the oranges that we were bringing back from Florida. I peeled one partially and slept with it right by my neck. I was able to get some sleep. This was my solution, in this case and it worked for me. I know what it means to be short of breath and to wheeze and gasp for air. I was grateful to be able to get some sleep before our 3AM wake-up call.

I do intend to write a note to Holiday Inn/Delta.

Bobbi

 

[LisaR]

QUOTE=Disney Doll]
Some observations from a lifelong non-smoker:

~I am amazed at the intolerance we have for our fellow human beings. I am also quite embarrassed by it. QUOTE=Disney Doll]

I can't speak for others but I do not think I am "intolerant of my fellow human beings." I am, however, very intolerant of the person that stands in front of me letting their smoke blow in my face. Sorry if you are embarrased by that.



QUOTE=Disney Doll]~I am amazed at how many more people these days have an "allergy" to cigarette smoke, and how many people have "asthma" that seems to only be triggered by cigarette smoke.QUOTE=Disney Doll]

It might also amaze you to know that the overall population has increased significantly over the years. There are more people, more cars, more pollution and more smokers. Therefore, there are more people with allergies and asthma. I have two kids. Both have asthma. I had asthma as a child but I have only had two attacks as an adult. Statistically, it might make sense that both my kid's would have childhood asthma. However, my son was adopted from Korea. He is not genetically linked to us. I was sure he would not have asthma like his big sister. Wrong! Welcome to America, son. If you think those of us who have asthmatic kid's are making this up, I invite you to spend a night in the ER with us like we have had to do on more then one occasion wondering if our kids will be okay.



QUOTE=Disney Doll]~I am amazed at how evolutionally-developed some folks' senses of smell are, that they can smell cigarette smoke outdoors from a balcony that's probably 5-10 feet away. Too bad Darwin is not still alive to research that phenomena![/QUOTE]

I am amazed at how many smokers don't realize just how much they stink. My mom is 74. She has never smoked a day in her life. She goes to breakfast almost every morning with a group of lady friends. Some smoke so they always sit in the smoking section. My mom smells horrible! I can meet her at 6pm for dinner, a good 8 hours after she is done with breakfast, and she still stinks. She doesn't notice the smell at all. She thinks we are crazy when we tell her how much she smells of smoke. Those that smoke (or in my mom's case, are exposed to it daily) just don't realize how bad it is. If you honestly think I can't smell smoke when I am sitting on my balcony and you are on yours, your're wrong. I do not have a super sensitive nose. But, it is a fact, smoking stinks. It may not to you or others that smoke. You may actually enjoy the smell. But, others don't. I am fairly certain we don't need to get Darwin involved. This isn't a newsflash. Smoking really is offensive to many of those that don't smoke.

Lisa

 

[Deemarch]

DisneyDoll...I am just amazed!