For you smokers out there......

[athenna]

There are some smokers left in the world you know, and contrary to popular beliefs, they aren't aliens that need to be banished.

 

[CarolMN]

...(snip).....I really don't look to Disney to ban smoking everywhere. They rely on International tourism, and in many European countries smoking is much more accepted than here in the US.

There are some smokers left in the world you know, and contrary to popular beliefs, they aren't aliens that need to be banished.

I don't think Disney will ban smoking entirely either and as long as smoking is legal, I don't think they should.

That's why I believe the best solution is to make smoking/non-smoking separate reservation categories. Disney could "guarantee" the S/NS choice up to some percentage of the available rooms for each resort (That's to allow for unforeseen room problems or the "fudge" needed to assign rooms).

After the percentage is reached, they could tell people that their choice is not guaranteed. Those who cannot live with it, could then make other arrangements. Members who stay at their home resort and book early would essentially never have to worry about getting the "wrong" type of room.

Best wishes -

 

[Beca]

I really don't look to Disney to ban smoking everywhere. They rely on International tourism, and in many European countries smoking is much more accepted than here in the US.

However, even that is changing...My mom was in Italy in Dec., and the WHOLE country has gone non-smoking!! She said it was the first time she was in Italy where she never saw a single person smoke in a public place...bar, restaurant, plaza, street...anywhere!!! She said she thought the Italian people would "die" before they would give up smoking. But, I think the European cultures are much more used to being "censored" than we are (i.e. cameras everywhere in London). They don't seem to have much of a problem with driving while intoxicated, and they seemed to be respectful of the new "rules" about smoking. Americans can just be so "pig-headed" sometimes. I don't care if mousekeeping WOULD bring you ashtrays...it's just not polite to the people who might be staying in the room after you to smoke in a non-smoking room. I mean, why not carve out your name in the furniture, too...if it is SO "all about you". No one is saying you can't "smoke" when you are staying in a non-smoking room (especially if that is the only thing available)...just please step outside to do so (preferrably not in the direct presence of non-smoking guests). Anyone staying in a non-smoking room has GOT to know that the next guest would appreciate not having to smell that (or, in many cases would be made ill by the smell). I don't see smoking in a non-smoking room any more acceptable than having your pets stay in the room with you. If someone posted, "I got to my room and it reeked of cat urine"...I can just IMAGINE the responses to that. No smoking means "no smoking"....even if someone at DVC tells you it's okay...it STILL could ruin someone else's trip...that's all you should need to know.

It's kind of like the camping motto..."take only memories, leave only footsteps". Please leave the rooms in the same condition you found them...that means that if it is a non-smoking room, please leave it a room that has never been smoked in. You only "own" it for a few days out of a year, and non-smokers own it the rest of the time.

I am now sadly putting on my flame-resistant suit!!



Beca

 

[sarhenty]

All we're asking is that nobody smoke in the rooms. Thats it! Go the balcony...

Take the elevator and go downstairs and light up with the villagator...

Nobody is banning smoking, just trying to find a place in the middle where MOST people will be happy.

 

[Beaniebug]

You can cry about smoking all you want. Some people are just inconsiderate. Even if they banned them from smoking, it doesn't mean that they won't. Plus, unless you catch them in the act, it would be very hard to prove. ...Because I am sure they would deny it. I don't smoke and don't care for it. I can just hope smokers will be considerate and won't smoke in places that aren't authorized.

 

[tjkraz]

IMO, prohibiting smoking altogether could have an even worse effect. As things stand today, I'm sure they try to steer smoking guests toward smoking rooms. If you eliminate smoking rooms altogether, you'll just have guests violating the blanket NS rules whenever they please. In time EVERY room will smell of smoke to some degree.

Cleaning fees may help, but it would have to be coupled with guaranteed room assignement at time of booking. Try to convince a smoking guest that he/she should have to pay to clean a NS room when the reservation was made at 11 mos with the "Smoking Optional" request clearly indicated. I'm not a smoker, but I'd fight that one as far up the ladder as necessary...

 

[sarhenty]

... I'm not a smoker, but I'd fight that one as far up the ladder as necessary...

What do you mean by that?

 

[pplasky]

If a room is designated non-smoking, it should remain that way, period. If you walk into a non-smoking room and it smells of smoke, the people prior should be fined. There are many people who have health issues, and the right of others to smoke does not override that. If a smoker is not able to obtain a smoking room, than they should be considerate of the overwhelming majority of people who no longer want to be subjected to others unhealthy habits, and smoke somewhere other than the room.

 

[tjkraz]

What do you mean by that?

I mean that until DVC allows the S/NS category to be guaranteed at the time of booking, it would be nearly impossible to enforce any type of room cleaning penalty when a smoker is placed in a NS room.

Some people would just play the "it was like that when I arrived" card. Others would just fight the fee on principal, and it would certainly be waived.

Still others could be guilty of ignorance. Booked Smoking...assigned non-smoking...didn't notice the signs. Not necessarily a defensible position...but certainly an explanation for what people would arbitrarily label "inconsiderate behavior."

 

[Chuck S]

I agree it would be almost impossible to enforce a cleaning fee. Let's say guest A smokes in a non-smoking room. Guest B then checks into that room, notices a "slight" smoke odor, but is not sensitive to it and does not report it. Guest C then checks into that room, is sensitive to the odor and swears the room "reeks"...who would be fined? After all Guest B didn't smoke in the room, and didn't report a slight odor that was not offensive to him/her. Guest A is long gone, and may deny smoking in the room. Unless the rooms are inspected personally, upon check-out and check-in with the guest present, there is no way to enforce it. And I sure wouldn't want to up dues to pay for several "smoking police" to inspect the rooms.

Or are going to tell me, as a non-smoker, that if I notice a slight odor I had BETTER take time from my vacation to report the problem, have it documented, or be fined?

 

[athenna]

Well some of us follow the rules and don't smoke we they aren't supposed to.
We aren't all BAD!! (even though people look at us like we are and act like were are)

 

[Deep-Thots]

However, even that is changing...My mom was in Italy in Dec., and the WHOLE country has gone non-smoking!! She said it was the first time she was in Italy where she never saw a single person smoke in a public place...bar, restaurant, plaza, street...anywhere!!! She said she thought the Italian people would "die" before they would give up smoking. But, I think the European cultures are much more used to being "censored" than we are (i.e. cameras everywhere in London). They don't seem to have much of a problem with driving while intoxicated, and they seemed to be respectful of the new "rules" about smoking. Americans can just be so "pig-headed" sometimes. I don't care if mousekeeping WOULD bring you ashtrays...it's just not polite to the people who might be staying in the room after you to smoke in a non-smoking room. I mean, why not carve out your name in the furniture, too...if it is SO "all about you". No one is saying you can't "smoke" when you are staying in a non-smoking room (especially if that is the only thing available)...just please step outside to do so (preferrably not in the direct presence of non-smoking guests). Anyone staying in a non-smoking room has GOT to know that the next guest would appreciate not having to smell that (or, in many cases would be made ill by the smell). I don't see smoking in a non-smoking room any more acceptable than having your pets stay in the room with you. If someone posted, "I got to my room and it reeked of cat urine"...I can just IMAGINE the responses to that. No smoking means "no smoking"....even if someone at DVC tells you it's okay...it STILL could ruin someone else's trip...that's all you should need to know.

It's kind of like the camping motto..."take only memories, leave only footsteps". Please leave the rooms in the same condition you found them...that means that if it is a non-smoking room, please leave it a room that has never been smoked in. You only "own" it for a few days out of a year, and non-smokers own it the rest of the time.

I am now sadly putting on my flame-resistant suit!!



Beca

I agree with this statement 1000%!!!

Just take it outside, please!!

 

[loribell]

I have never replied to one of these smoking threads but have finally decided it is time to join in.

My question is why can't Disney guarantee a smoking or non smoking room at time of booking? Every other hotel I have ever stayed in has been able to do this. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Smoking bothers me, DH and the kids terribly. When we go to my dad's for the holidays, for about 5-6 hours, we all come home and get sick within the next two days. I have to come in the house and go straight to the shower to get the smell off of me and then put our clothes in the washing machine to get the smell out of the house. I can't even guess at how much tylenol/ibuprofin is swallowed during and after these visits. Needless to say we don't get to visit dad very often because of this.

This summer we are going on a Magical Gathering. We need 7 rooms total, only one of them will be a smoking room. So dad won't even be with us at the resort.

I think a lot of people around my dad's age don't even think about not smoking just anywhere. It was always perfectly fine for them to do so. Even my mother (they are divorced) said just get him a non smoking room and he can smoke on the balcony. I don't think this is acceptable either, non smoking means non smoking even outside on the balcony. Besides I really doubt he would only smoke outside the room! Like I said he wouldn't even think about it.

I wish we lived in a perfect world and people would only smoke in designated smoking areas but I don't think that will ever happen. Partly because of those that it doesn't even dawn on and partly because of those that are offended that anyone thinks they have the right to tell them they can't smoke where ever they want. You know the ones that think "who cares that my habit is dangerous to someone elses health! It's my right and I will do it where ever I please!"

Disney needs to get on the ball and guarantee non smoking and smoking requests. It can be done and should be.

Lori

 

[DeeCee735]

If this happened to us I'd have to move as even the smell of smoke sets off DH asthma. We have a request in for non-smoking due to health issues - hope it is honored by not just CM's but the prior occupants of the room.....

 

[OneMoreTry]

If you eliminate smoking rooms altogether you still have the same problem with enforcement. Except it would be worse because ALL smokers would be in nonsmoking rooms.

How can smoking be detected without invading privacy? Imagineers?

Unless this is done there will always be a few inconsiderate, self-centered, lazy tobacco addicts that can't get up off their patooties to smoke outside.

Flame me. Make it hurt. My office is cold today.

 

[athenna]

I understand you're point of view, however just remember we are not all lazy and inconsiderate!!
You can flame me too, I'm freezing anyway.

 

[TammyAlphabet]

As a former smoker, (quit for three years), I can see both sides of the argument. When I was a smoker, i generally tried to be considerate of nonsmokers, but found it hard sometimes....Some nonsmokers are very rude and inconsiderate and extremely judgmental of smokers. People who smoke are not doing to to rebel against society or to irratate you. It is part of their lifestyle just as it is not part of your lifestyle. On the other hand, I have found that after quitting smoking, i am also not happy with a smoking room. The smell does bother me quite a bit and especially bothers my children. They can spray that stuff around to kill the smell but it is not very efficient.

Maybe we can all become more considerate of each other, smokers, smoke outside if you get a non-smoking room, and non-smokers, try not to judge your fellow man so harshly, he is only human.....

 

[athenna]

Nicely said, Tammy.

 

[smjj]

What I think is funny is that the former smokers are now bothered by the smell just as us non-smokers always have been. I would think the smokers would begin to understand how disguesting the smell of smoke is. Smokers get use to the smell and after a while do not smell it altogether. You live in a barnyard, or work in a sewer after a while you don't smell the, well you get it. Smokers may want to satisify their habit but the smell hangs around and they are indifferent to it and have no idea just how revolting it is let alone the health hazards it presents and the message it sends to our kids....smjj

 

[DrBond007]

I don't get it. What does this thread have to do with Cast Members dissliking DVC owners?