For you smokers out there......

[Happy Birthday Cat]

Originally posted by kweaver
Maybe I'll just send my screaming kids out to the balcony to bother the smoker on the balcony next to me!

The best idea I've heard in a long time. (except for Dr.T's idea for putting the sorority into his studio).

HBC

 

[klharty]

Just spent two almost perfect weeks at Disney - a week at the Boardwalk and a week at the Villas at the Wilderness Lodge. The only less than stellar moments of the whole vacation were relative to smokers that were disrespectful of others.

In particular, the non-smoking room I'd reserved at Boardwalk reeked of smoke. After the front desk assured me that it was a non-smoking room, they admitted that it was possible that someone may have smoked in it. Housekeeping brought an air deoderizer for us, but this only masked the smell for a short time. The smell accosted us every time we entered the room and I just couldn't help feeling the room wasn't as clean as it might have been.

The next week, at the Wilderness Lodge, we were greeted in the morning (7ish) by smoke wafting in the balcony door from our neighbor. I appreciate that smokers might believe escaping to the balcony solves the 'problem' of having to stay in a non-smoking room, but it doesn't when other guests are only feet away. It stank. Sorry, but I'd like to be able to leave the doors open and enjoy the warm weather, too.

Most disappointing to me was the fact that it was probably other members who were of the opinion that the rules don't apply to them. If you reserve a non-smoking room, then please don't smoke in it. That is what the designated smoking rooms and smoking areas are for.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

I agree that it's rude and disrespectful for anyone to smoke in a non-smoking room. They should be charged a significant cleaning fee.

However, it's perfectly within the rules to smoke on any balcony or patio. In fact, that's the right thing for a smoker to do, if a smoker is assigned to a nonsmoking room. Also, a smoker could be smoking on a balcony or patio of a smoking room, and some smoke could drift to the balcony or patio of a nonsmoking room; it's unavoidable.

I suppose one possibility would be to designate all balconies or patios as nonsmoking, and to have a designated outdoor smoking area far from any balconies or patios -- but I really don't see that happening.

 

[cdy16zz]

Every time there is a smoker that says they couldn't get a smoking room, we hear from Non-Smokers! The Non-Smokers have Most of the rooms now.
Yet they are Very Vocal and Disney listens to them. Making les and less rooms available for Smokers.

There has to be a way to accommodate both sides. We have made ressies at the 11 month mark with only ONE request. A Smoking room. We too have been made to take a Non-Smoking room. Telling a smoker to Not smoke for a week is akin to telling an overweight person not to eat in their room, and only to eat in designated areas!

And well, if that statement angers some so be it! That's how smokers are made to feel.

The fact that Disney gives all the Non-Smokers the freshly refurbished room is annoying to us as well.
It is insulting to say the least.

Maybe Disney should keep a list of people who have left their room a total mess or have done damage in the past and give them the rooms that are due to be refubished. I have seen where peple are so careless that hey cut with knives on the counters, or put a very hot pot on the counter top that left a permanent ring. Or the time we went to the BCV and a person (child?) left a bugger on ever light switch. Not a lasting problem but none the less disgusting. No we didn't complain to housekeeping. We cleaned up ourselves.
Some people go complaining to housekeeping about every tiny thing they see. Makes me wonder how clean they are at home!

Anyway, I feel Smokers need to voice how they feel too. We own points at three of the DVC Resorts, we pay our dues, and when we bought in... Smoking was NOT an issue.

To be given a non-smoking room and to be told Not to smoke on the balcony is just unreasonable.
SMOKERS Please Speak Up!!

 

[LoveToDisney]

I feel as sorry for you, a smoker in a non-smoking room as I feel for ourselves, non smokers due to medical reasons in a smoking room or getting a non-smoking room that has been smoked in. I agree at 11 mos at our home resort we SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESERVE either smoking or non-smoking (if the room is available) and get what we reserved. Once all the smoking and non-smoking rooms are gone, then it's smoking-optional. I hate that a late check-in means that you can't get what you reserved at 11 months!

 

[bonzarella]

taking first trip home this summer. We don't smoke in our home or in anyones home. I was told while we could not smoke in the room the balcony is acceptable. Please advise if this is not the case. Thanks!

 

[Beca]

There has to be a way to accommodate both sides. We have made ressies at the 11 month mark with only ONE request. A Smoking room. We too have been made to take a Non-Smoking room. Telling a smoker to Not smoke for a week is akin to telling an overweight person not to eat in their room, and only to eat in designated areas!

Hmmm...I think you raise some valid points (non-smoking and smoking rooms SHOULD be a guarantee, not a request), but your analogy here does not hold well with me.

There simply is no way of getting around the bottom-line truth that second-hand smoke is dangerous to people who might be following you in that room. More and more studies support the theory that second-hand smoke causes cancer, but even that issue aside...my mom's throat closes up when she is in an enclosed space with smoke (stale or otherwise). She is EXTREMELY allergic.

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone having allergy or asthma issues (or, for that matter ANY kind of issues) because someone ate in their room...and, this includes shellfish and peanuts...two of the worst allergies ever!!

Smokers just need to accept that the choice of what they do with their bodies ceases to be only their concern every time they exhale, or even allow a cigarette to burn. Dangerous toxins are released into the air and can do damage to others. Non-smokers are not trying to limit your personal freedoms, we are just trying to keep as many dangers away from ourselves and our children as possible. If you could assure me that your smoking in a room could all be "cleaned up" by housekeeping (much the way a messy room can be cleaned), I would say "smoke away". But, sleeping in a room that you have smoked in would send my mom to the hospital and ruin all of our vacations. How fair is that?



Beca

 

[DisneySpence]

Our family would applaud a move to all non smoking rooms on Disney property not just DVC and we have smokers in our family that regularly vacation with us at WDW. We think that a non smoking policy is a good decision for all parties members guests and CM's.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Hmmm...I think you raise some valid points (non-smoking and smoking rooms SHOULD be a guarantee, not a request), but your analogy here does not hold well with me.

There simply is no way of getting around the bottom-line truth that second-hand smoke is dangerous to people who might be following you in that room. More and more studies support the theory that second-hand smoke causes cancer, but even that issue aside...my mom's throat closes up when she is in an enclosed space with smoke (stale or otherwise). She is EXTREMELY allergic.

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone having allergy or asthma issues (or, for that matter ANY kind of issues) because someone ate in their room...and, this includes shellfish and peanuts...two of the worst allergies ever!!

Smokers just need to accept that the choice of what they do with their bodies ceases to be only their concern every time they exhale, or even allow a cigarette to burn. Dangerous toxins are released into the air and can do damage to others. Non-smokers are not trying to limit your personal freedoms, we are just trying to keep as many dangers away from ourselves and our children as possible. If you could assure me that your smoking in a room could all be "cleaned up" by housekeeping (much the way a messy room can be cleaned), I would say "smoke away". But, sleeping in a room that you have smoked in would send my mom to the hospital and ruin all of our vacations. How fair is that?



Beca

EXATLY! I had some of the same issues in December when folks were smoking inside a non-smoking building and it was coming into our bathroom through the vents. I do agree that in an ownership property like a TS, there porbably needs to be smoking allowed buildings, but I think we need some guarantee that the non-smoking buildings will NOT have folks smoking in them too. The problem with smoke allergy, is that the smoke permeates EVERYTHING like the woodwork, furniture and carpet, and no amount of cleaning between guests can possibly get that residue out.

 

[Deemarch]

Maybe Disney should keep a list of people who have left their room a total mess or have done damage in the past and give them the rooms that are due to be refubished. I have seen where peple are so careless that hey cut with knives on the counters, or put a very hot pot on the counter top that left a permanent ring. Or the time we went to the BCV and a person (child?) left a bugger on ever light switch. Not a lasting problem but none the less disgusting.

NONE OF THESE THINGS CAN KILL PEOPLE!

I am so tired of listening to smokers "rights".

 

[DrBond007]

Hmmm...I think you raise some valid points (non-smoking and smoking rooms SHOULD be a guarantee, not a request), but your analogy here does not hold well with me.

There simply is no way of getting around the bottom-line truth that second-hand smoke is dangerous to people who might be following you in that room. More and more studies support the theory that second-hand smoke causes cancer, but even that issue aside...my mom's throat closes up when she is in an enclosed space with smoke (stale or otherwise). She is EXTREMELY allergic.

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone having allergy or asthma issues (or, for that matter ANY kind of issues) because someone ate in their room...and, this includes shellfish and peanuts...two of the worst allergies ever!!

Smokers just need to accept that the choice of what they do with their bodies ceases to be only their concern every time they exhale, or even allow a cigarette to burn. Dangerous toxins are released into the air and can do damage to others. Non-smokers are not trying to limit your personal freedoms, we are just trying to keep as many dangers away from ourselves and our children as possible. If you could assure me that your smoking in a room could all be "cleaned up" by housekeeping (much the way a messy room can be cleaned), I would say "smoke away". But, sleeping in a room that you have smoked in would send my mom to the hospital and ruin all of our vacations. How fair is that?



Beca

Very well said. Smoking supporters attempt to pull all these non-applicable analogies out of the air to rationalize thier addiction. But sleeping in a smoke permeated room, where curtains, furniture, walls, filters etc reek of cigarette smoke can ruin others vacation. It is clearly wrong to engage in such behavior given the values I live by. I view smoking as an illness. I view a lack of consideration to other vacationers by smoking in a non-smoking room as wrong and a lack of values. I also think room type should be guaranteed by DVC to resolve this issue, as every other hotel I've delt with does.

NONE OF THESE THINGS CAN KILL PEOPLE!

I am so tired of listening to smokers "rights".

Agreed, good point.

The problem with smoke allergy, is that the smoke permeates EVERYTHING like the woodwork, furniture and carpet, and no amount of cleaning between guests can possibly get that residue out.

Yes, that can ruin the next guests vacation. Cleaning just won't fix the problem.

 

[lenshanem]

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone having allergy or asthma issues (or, for that matter ANY kind of issues) because someone ate in their room...and, this includes shellfish and peanuts...two of the worst allergies ever!!

Beca, my daughter who is allergic to peanuts reacted once in a hotel room. She was sitting at the desk drawing and broke out in hives all over her hands. I really think someone had eaten something with peanuts there before us and/or used the pen. She does have contact reactions.

I totally agree non-smoking should be guaranteed. Although my daughter's asthma is mild, there is no way she could sleep and stay in a smoking room. We'd end up using the inhaler all week. Like I said before if it takes having a doctor's note on file I'd be more than happy to supply one. I have never experienced this problem with worrying about getting a non-smoking room until I joined DVC.

 

[Dean]

The answer is the book the views directly and enforce it to the hilt with a HEFTY fine if violated. And yes, non smoking should be enforced on the balcony even if you have a mixed group of smokers/nonsmokers or someone requests smoking and is given a NS unit. I'm going to wear out my super soaker on a single trip at this rate.

 

[Beca]

Beca, my daughter who is allergic to peanuts reacted once in a hotel room. She was sitting at the desk drawing and broke out in hives all over her hands. I really think someone had eaten something with peanuts there before us and/or used the pen. She does have contact reactions.

Wow, Shan!! I am really sorry to hear that! I know how "potent" peanut smells and residue can be to those who are allergic. When I was a flight attendant, we used to have to pull EVERY peanut off of the planes, and hand out only raisins or pretzels on the flights were there were people with peanut allergies. And, since we only get provisioned once out of every three flights, we would not be able to serve peanuts on two flights when there really wasn't a problem not doing so...we just couldn't get provisioned with peanuts. I have often wondered if there were not people who had problems with peanut "residue" in hotel rooms, but up until now I have never heard of any...well, now I have!! I'm really sorry...that must just be "something else" you have to worry about (as if we parents don't have enough!!!). I guess you probably clean things pretty well now when you arrive, huh?

Anyway...just another point to show how what we do can REALLY affect the guests who follow behind us!!!



Beca

 

[lenshanem]

Beca, I don't clean the room before I let her in. I try not to go overboard, but we do have to be very careful. Her last big reaction was due to a contaminated frozen dinner that landed her in the ER. Her blood test tripled after that episode. I can't count how many times though she has mysteriously developed a few hives here or there and I think to myself it must be from something she touched. If you kiss her and you've been eating something with peanuts - she'll break out. Very sensitive. That particular episode at that hotel was bad. Her hands were completely covered.

Funny you mention airplanes... I've only flown with her once and it was a nightmare. First, I felt like Michael Jackson going in before her and wiping everything down. People were looking at me like I was insane. Then despite me calling beforehand and being told the flight was peanut free (It was not.), a check in person argued with me that I was stupid and just don't feed my daughter peanuts in front of a bunch of people. I was already a nervous wreck to begin with. Thankfully, the flight attendants were really sweet and took care of everything for me. They announced that the flight would be a peanut free flight and then the woman beside us pulled out a BAG of peanuts she had brought herself and then got in an argument with the flight attendant that she was gonna eat them and wouldn't change seats. So they had to move my entire family. Luckily, another family was very understanding and willing to move for us.
Let's just say I haven't flown with her again...

 

[jmminarik]

Non-smokers are not trying to limit your personal freedoms, we are just trying to keep as many dangers away from ourselves and our children as possible

Yes, they are. No matter the motive, someone is always trying to take away someone's freedoms for their own personal gain. Throw in 'Save the Children' and you add a "moral" boost to whatever the argument. It's part of being human. So's not liking it.

But, sleeping in a room that you have smoked in would send my mom to the hospital and ruin all of our vacations. How fair is that?

Beca

Fair? I don't know about fair but it's certainly not nice. Just like most people have been saying, the room types need to be guaranteed so there is less anxiety and a majority of the people will be better pleased. You'll never get everyone since there are so many anti-smoker's who seem on a crusade and smokers who just don't care about others.

I am so tired of listening to smokers "rights".

I'm just tired of intolerance, in all its shapes and forms. It's a big World. There's (a) room for everyone.

-Joe

 

[Beca]

Yes, they are. No matter the motive, someone is always trying to take away someone's freedoms for their own personal gain. Throw in 'Save the Children' and you add a "moral" boost to whatever the argument. It's part of being human. So's not liking it.

-Joe

Trust me on this one...I'm not trying to find a "cause" or save all the children of the world. Just one little blue-eyed girl that God entrusted me to protect. And, that means making sure that she is in a place where the air will not kill her or make her sick. The ONLY personal freedoms I am trying to limit are hers!!!



Beca

 

[DisneySpence]

My father is a smoker he smokes about a pack a day and when we go on vacation he stops for the 2 weeks we are at WDW. HE doens't see the sence in having smoking rooms in hotels because as it has been said even in a smoking room the smoke still finds it's way to other areas and there may be people there that are allergic to it so he would rather not put them in a situation that would cause them a problem. Even at home he will not smoke in my house and same with the car he will not smoke in his or anyone elses car because he may have somone in the car that is allergic to smoke such as myself and he doesn't want to have it affect me because he smokes. It will never end the argument of smokers and non smokers it will always be there until cigarette companies are finally held liable for the product they manufacture I hope to see smoke free hotels at Disney before my time expires. I know our city doesn't allow smoking in any public buildings or bars restaurants etc you can basically smoke in your house and your car and if there is a designated smiking area at your place of work.

 

[jmminarik]

It will never end the argument of smokers and non smokers it will always be there until cigarette companies are finally held liable for the product they manufacture

It sounds like your father is a considerate person. Unfortunately,not everyone on both sides of the issue are.

As for holding liability, I guess we humans are just too stoopid to be held responsible for our actions. Maybe we should sue the farmers for growing corn that turns into high fructose corn syrup that they put into everything, or sue the farmers for the eggs that give us salmonela since we cooked them overeasy or ate them raw in a caesar salad.

I hope to see smoke free hotels at Disney before my time expires..

So do I, but my thoughts are more based on people decided to quit/not start than some absolute prohibition when there is no need for it.

Trust me on this one...I'm not trying to find a "cause" or save all the children of the world.

I didn't say you were. You said 'nonsmokers....' not 'I...' There are many nonsmokers who want to limit people's freedoms vis-a-vis tobacco. There are also many other 'groups' with extremely vocal minorities that want to ban freedoms they don't like. They all have some strain of altruism in them, and adding 'save the children' to the argument pulls at the very genetic wiring we as humans have to protect pregnant women and children.

-Joe

 

[cdy16zz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cdy16zz
There has to be a way to accommodate both sides. We have made ressies at the 11 month mark with only ONE request. A Smoking room. We too have been made to take a Non-Smoking room. Telling a smoker to Not smoke for a week is akin to telling an overweight person not to eat in their room, and only to eat in designated areas!





Hmmm...I think you raise some valid points (non-smoking and smoking rooms SHOULD be a guarantee, not a request), but your analogy here does not hold well with me.


To many smokers it is as difficult to Not smoke as it is for people to Not eat when they are hungry.
Many people cannot just stop smoking for a week!
Disney should book ressies as smoking or non-smoking. When these areas are booked, say so! We would book a different week, when accomadations are available. But there should be reasonably enough room to accommadate both.

As for Quote:
Originally Posted by Deemarch
I am so tired of listening to smokers "rights".


I'm just tired of intolerance, in all its shapes and forms. It's a big World. There's (a) room for everyone.

-Joe

Thank You Joe, You said it best!