For you smokers out there......

[Mickmse2002]

Nope have never asked for a smoking room as i don't smoke in the room. Never have, never will. I smoke on the balcony, it's not the room. I don't think anyone is being extreme when they say they don't want to sit on their balcony and smell smoke. At times I don't either, then I go inside.

I don't think it is as simple as you would portray it. If I am on the ground floor standing on the grass just off the patio and the smoke drifts upward, should I have to move?

 

[MisterDisney]

Also, if I were to "pass gas" for a while on the balcony after a big meal at the Mexico pavillion at Epcot .. call the CM? Lets not forget about those screaming kids next door that I dont want to hear first thing in the morning (dont I have a right to a quiet room as well as smoke-free balcony)?

Its Disney, lets have fun, and stop griping about the little stuff.

 

[floridafam]

It's not "little stuff" to me.

I'm not griping. I can talk about whatever I choose.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[kweaver]

Originally posted by MisterDisney
Also, if I were to "pass gas" for a while on the balcony after a big meal at the Mexico pavillion at Epcot .. call the CM? Lets not forget about those screaming kids next door that I dont want to hear first thing in the morning (dont I have a right to a quiet room as well as smoke-free balcony)?

Its Disney, lets have fun, and stop griping about the little stuff.

These examples, while I admit could be quite irritating, do not cause physical health problems to others. That's the difference.

 

[LisaR]

Originally posted by MisterDisney
(dont I have a right to a quiet room as well as smoke-free balcony)?

No, I don't believe you have the *right* to a quiet room since you didn't reserve a quiet room (and you can't because that isn't an option). You reserved a room that is non-smoking though. The balcony IS part of the room. What if you entered your DVC unit and there wasn't a balcony? You would be ticked because the balcony is part of the room. I am betting you would go to the front desk and argue that you want another room.

As a parent, it is my responsibility to keep my kids quiet in the morning and at night. It is also my responsibility to remind them that there are people staying below and next to us and they need to use quiet voices and quiet feet. I do that regularly. It is just good manners.

However, if I reserve a non-smoking room, it is more then just good manners to not smoke IN it (and yes, the balcony is part of the room you reserved).

Lisa

 

[MisterDisney]

Originally posted by kweaver
These examples, while I admit could be quite irritating, do not cause physical health problems to others. That's the difference.

We could debate this until the cows come home ... I really think you are overstating this health hazard .. a few seconds of smoke on the balcony is going to endanger your life? Do you keep in your kids in a plastic bubble when you get home?

 

[Mickmse2002]

I am certainly glad that I am receiving clarification on whether or not the blacony is considered part of the room. It heartens me to know that the experts are on top of the situation because when I asked the CM at the front desk if I could have a cigar on my balcony I was told it was fine, and in fact I was engaged in a lengthy discussion on what my favorite cigar was.

 

[Scoootch]

Originally posted by floridafam
I think smokers should be able to smoke on their balconies.

I also don't think I'm being extreme when I say I don't want to sit outside on my balcony and have someone smoke (a cigar or cigarette) next to me.

Smoking and non-smoking rooms should be kept apart.

If you normally don't smoke but smoke cigars every so often then, technically, you should ask for a smoking room. Do you?

I think everyone could be happy if the rooms were apart and the balcony was considered part of the room.

The way I see it, I have a right to sit out on my balcony with fresh air and you have a right to smoke on your smoking room balcony. It's really very simple. I wish DVC would realize this.

floridafam I could not have said it better myself

 

[Mickmse2002]

Originally posted by floridafam
I think smokers should be able to smoke on their balconies.

I agree, and I do smoke on my balcony.

 

[VAN]

I didn't read through the responses ... but everytime I see this subject I wish we had videotaped my MIL before she died. She was a long-time smoker and died from it. At the end, it was like she was drowning ... she just couldn't get her breath. She kept hollering out "Help Me" "Help Me".

All smokers should visit their local nursing homes, because this is a very common way for smokers to die. Not pretty.

 

[Mickmse2002]

Originally posted by VAN
I didn't read through the responses ... but everytime I see this subject I wish we had videotaped my MIL before she died. She was a long-time smoker and died from it. At the end, it was like she was drowning ... she just couldn't get her breath. She kept hollering out "Help Me" "Help Me".

All smokers should visit their local nursing homes, because this is a very common way for smokers to die. Not pretty.

You are exactly right, it is a horrible death and I am sorry about your MIL. I wasn't advocating smoking, in fact if you read the posts you'll see that I am not a "regular" smoker, I have the occasional cigar. What this issue is centering on is whether it is allowable, per DVC, to smoke on one's balcony.

 

[floridafam]

I agree and I do smoke on my balcony

Correction. You smoke on the balcony of your non-smoking room.

I think smokers should be able to smoke on the balconies of non smoking rooms if DVC could keep the two categoriies apart.

Sure, I hate smoking BUT I think we could all find a solution to this problem if DVC would set one policy and tell their CM's to stick to it.

 

[Mickmse2002]

I'm really not trying to be difficult but why the assumption that DVC hasn't set one policy? Every indication I have seen is that DVC allows, and CM's confirm, smoking on a balcony and not in NS rooms. This appears to be one policy to me?

 

[kweaver]

Originally posted by MisterDisney
We could debate this until the cows come home ... I really think you are overstating this health hazard .. a few seconds of smoke on the balcony is going to endanger your life? Do you keep in your kids in a plastic bubble when you get home?

No plastic bubbles here. However, I do tend to avoid cancer causing substances whenever possible...and do the same for my children. Any responsible parent does the same. I don't let them play with household chemicals... or chase a ball into the middle of a busy street either (Not even for a few seconds...Not even if it might not endanger their life!).

You are entitled to think whatever you wish. A few seconds of smoke obviously isn't going to cause anyone to die. However, for people who are susceptible to breathing problems, it can cause serious complications. Screaming kids or passing of gas does not.

Bottom line...Second hand smoke does cause harm to our bodies. The examples you site do not cause harm to our bodies.

I do think Disney needs a clear policy on this. Maybe they do...but I've never seen one in writing. I also know that CMs have told guests that they can smoke on their non-smoking balconies. If this is their policy...then so be it. I will add non-smoking for medical reasons to all of my reservations and I guess I will have to change rooms if it becomes necessary.

Maybe I'll just send my screaming kids out to the balcony to bother the smoker on the balcony next to me!

 

[smjj]

Originally posted by MisterDisney
We could debate this until the cows come home ... I really think you are overstating this health hazard .. a few seconds of smoke on the balcony is going to endanger your life? Do you keep in your kids in a plastic bubble when you get home?

Thats not what bothers me. As a non-smoker, I hate the smell of smoke period. If I am on my balcony, what should I be subjected to this foul discusting order for just one second??...smjj

 

[DrTomorrow]

Well, it's nice to see another topic giving the dear departed Occupancy Thread a run for its money....

 

[kweaver]

Before you know it...this one will be gone forever too.

 

[SueM in MN]

Originally posted by Mickmse2002
I'm really not trying to be difficult but why the assumption that DVC hasn't set one policy? Every indication I have seen is that DVC allows, and CM's confirm, smoking on a balcony and not in NS rooms. This appears to be one policy to me?

That's the problem though.
Smokers have been told by CMs that it's OK to smoke on the balcony of non-smoking rooms (just not in the rooms).
But, people who have problems with smoke have been told that the whole room, including the balcony of a non-smoking room is non-smoking. I have personally been told that by CMs on several occasions. A smoker who is smoking on the balcony does prevent me from using my balcony, so I am not getting full use of my room.

It can't be both ways and it's not fair for smokers or non-smokers to be put in the middle by CMs who don't know or don't want to follow whatever the policy is.

 

[Par8hed]

Please! I beg you all! Calm down! OK I'm a non-smoker and I must say that unless someone spews it DIRECTLY in my face I'm not fazed. Do I ever detect the odor? Sure. Is it really THAT offensive? Again I don't love it but I've been next to ripe diapers that would make one want to intimately kiss a random stranger just to plug their nostrils. I mean.....we're talking about people smoking outdoors here. I'd like to see the study where exposure to someone smoking on a nearby outdoor balcony poses much of a health risk. If that study exists and it it scares you I suggest you stay in your hermetically sealed house forever. Certainly never venture onto a street with a stop sign or red light. After all brake pads contain ASBESTOS. Don't ever BBQ- more carcinogens there. Cancel your electric service. yup- the EMF will cause cancer too. Basically if you're not Amish you're dead. Then again I took my young son to the pumpkin farm this past weekend and you know what..... they had pigs,goats,cows, etc. A nice natural experience and it SMELT REALLY OFFENSIVE! But we were happy to be there and enjoyed ourselves anyway. My point if there is one.... there's a @#$% of a lot of scary stuff going on in the world right now. Count your blessings that your at WDW, smell that whiff of smoke, and put things in perspective.

 

[Par8hed]

OOPS- and as my wife just instructed me--- AND PIXIE DUST TO ALL!!