Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[Love Tink]

Just read through the last 30 pages or so (that's what I get for not checking the boards all day yesterday).

What struck me is the large number of people - and often very ANGRY people - who frame this whole thing as a "ha ha, screw you" to all of us who currently use FP when it is convenient, instead of worrying about the end of the printed window.

All kinds of lovely posts about how we think we own the park, and how we're taking advantage of people who don't know about this policy.

I just don't understand this at all. I contend that whether we use our Soarin' FP at 11:10 or 3:10 has as much impact on others in the park as where we eat our lunch or park our car. Sure, you might be the person who happens to get in line just behind us at the Soarin' FP when we are "late," but the odds are pretty infintesimal - as slim as the odds that you would be in line right behind us at a QS, or have to park your car one car-width further away from the parks because we were in front of you entering the parking lot. Are we also just being selfish and unfair by...eating and parking?

Those of you who think our style of FP use is all about getting one over on the suckers are really looking at this from a weird perspective. It says something about how you view the world that you think people are doing something as innocuous as riding theme park rides based on some agenda of one-upsmanship.

We use FP mostly when it is convenient for us, when we're back near a ride or when we're passing time waiting for a show - so we don't have to criss cross the park five extra times with our kids in tow. And, I know this will shock you, but we don't even rub our hands together manaically and throw our heads back in evil laughter as we enter the FP lines "late." (Well, hardly ever.)

 

[origin62]

An unnamed source? It would probably be best to save the quotes from "unnamed sources" for the tabloids...

I guess I should also point out that this same "source" (that you find questionable) shared with me a few months ago that enforcement was coming. And yet here we are...

I don't really care one way or the other what you find credible. I was just sharing what I heard.

 

[hookedonears]

God forbid you ever have a medical emergency.



I forgot to mention - I actually HELD one of the REAL Wonka's Golden Tickets, the one that belonged to Julie Dawn Cole. So I get unlimited Fastpasses for life, right?

This original image is large, here is a thumbnail, but click for the whole thing. I stupidly didn't get a picture of me holding it...

Sounds like a personal problem to me. I'd suggest you go by guest services, tell them your issue and they might throw you a bone.

 

[origin62]

Just read through the last 30 pages or so (that's what I get for not checking the boards all day yesterday).

What struck me is the large number of people - and often very ANGRY people - who frame this whole thing as a "ha ha, screw you" to all of us who currently use FP when it is convenient, instead of worrying about the end of the printed window.

All kinds of lovely posts about how we think we own the park, and how we're taking advantage of people who don't know about this policy.

I just don't understand this at all. I contend that whether we use our Soarin' FP at 11:10 or 3:10 has as much impact on others in the park as where we eat our lunch or park our car. Sure, you might be the person who happens to get in line just behind us at the Soarin' FP when we are "late," but the odds are pretty infintesimal - as slim as the odds that you would be in line right behind us at a QS, or have to park your car one car-width further away from the parks because we were in front of you entering the parking lot. Are we also just being selfish and unfair by...eating and parking?

Those of you who think our style of FP use is all about getting one over on the suckers are really looking at this from a weird perspective. It says something about how you view the world that you think people are doing something as innocuous as riding theme park rides based on some agenda of one-upsmanship.

We use FP mostly when it is convenient for us, when we're back near a ride or when we're passing time waiting for a show - so we don't have to criss cross the park five extra times with our kids in tow. And, I know this will shock you, but we don't even rub our hands together manaically and throw our heads back in evil laughter as we enter the FP lines "late." (Well, hardly ever.)

Wow. I think it might be your worldview that is skewed. I don't see the anger you mentioned. If anything, the most passionate opinions seem to come from the "Enter Anytime" users, not the other way around.

 

[CandleontheWater]

Hey Cheshire Figment- or anyone else who can answer this question-

You posted earlier that denying individuals late FP access will help Disney's bottom line because then the lines won't be as long at the end of the day, and they'll be able to close up the park faster. This will save them money on CM pay.

I get that, and it does make sense- but we all know that the "closing" time of the theme parks is not actually when they kick the guests out, people still get time to shop or grab a snack and exit leisurely.

I personally really enjoy taking my time to exit Epcot after Illuminations, enjoying a relatively empty WS, and have spent up to two hours lingering with friends.

Is the reason I can enjoy this leisurely exit is because the Soarin' and TT fastpass lines are backed up, and they can't kick guests out until everyone is done riding?

I am always in WS at the end of the day, so I have no idea what is going on in FW.

If they really start enforcing FP return times, in order to save money at the end of the day, are they also going to start enforcing closing times- which will be where the cost savings in CM pay will come into play?

If the goal is to stop people from using FPs at the end of the day because they want to get the rides shut down and the CMs off the clock earlier, is that going to impact my enjoyment of the park post-closing?

 

[chmurf]

Just read through the last 30 pages or so (that's what I get for not checking the boards all day yesterday).

What struck me is the large number of people - and often very ANGRY people - who frame this whole thing as a "ha ha, screw you" to all of us who currently use FP when it is convenient, instead of worrying about the end of the printed window.

All kinds of lovely posts about how we think we own the park, and how we're taking advantage of people who don't know about this policy.

I just don't understand this at all. I contend that whether we use our Soarin' FP at 11:10 or 3:10 has as much impact on others in the park as where we eat our lunch or park our car. Sure, you might be the person who happens to get in line just behind us at the Soarin' FP when we are "late," but the odds are pretty infintesimal - as slim as the odds that you would be in line right behind us at a QS, or have to park your car one car-width further away from the parks because we were in front of you entering the parking lot. Are we also just being selfish and unfair by...eating and parking?

Those of you who think our style of FP use is all about getting one over on the suckers are really looking at this from a weird perspective. It says something about how you view the world that you think people are doing something as innocuous as riding theme park rides based on some agenda of one-upsmanship.

We use FP mostly when it is convenient for us, when we're back near a ride or when we're passing time waiting for a show - so we don't have to criss cross the park five extra times with our kids in tow. And, I know this will shock you, but we don't even rub our hands together manaically and throw our heads back in evil laughter as we enter the FP lines "late." (Well, hardly ever.)

No matter how you look at it, your FP reads "return between *time* and *time*" Period.
Wether it's enforced or not is not the real issue.

It's like going to a Buffet, and filling dozens of tupperware with food items, just because it's "all you can eat" and you might get hungry later in the day.

That's the "rude" aspect of people who get FPs with the intent of using them late.

But there is also a "moral" aspect.

Since FPs are limited in numbers, it's like emptying each and every Zebra domes tray, because you like them, and you might want to eat them later, even if it means throwing half of them away, without any consideration or respect for the guests who might like them too.

If you can't be on time, just leave those FPs to someone who can.

I'm not even talking about the impact of late FP returns on the length of lines here. I'm talking about living as a society.

I guess that all of those who think they're all so well behaved and do nothing rude hoarding FPs, would be the first to post a rant if another guest behaved half as rudely as they do ...

yeah, you were right about one thing, it tells much about the way some people see the world. And it's a sad view.

 

[doconeill]

Sounds like a personal problem to me. I'd suggest you go by guest services, tell them your issue and they might throw you a bone.

I take exception to your reply. I find it an insult.

You said, in no uncertain terms, there was NO POSSIBLE REASON to miss a FP window. Quite simply, there are.

 

[magicbob]

No matter how you look at it, your FP reads "return between *time* and *time*" Period.

Actually it doesn't say that. It says, "PLEASE [emphasis added] return between *time* and *time.*

Since FPs are limited in numbers, it's like emptying each and every Zebra domes tray, because you like them, and you might want to eat them later, even if it means throwing half of them away, without any consideration or respect for the guests who might like them too.

Extemely poor analogy. Those who use them late do not throw their "zebra domes" away. They simply "eat" them later. This actually ensures that they do NOT get wasted.

Under the NEW guidelines of not allowing late returns, FPs are MORE likely to get wasted. People will get a FP, intending to make it back, but if they don't they'll have to throw them away.

I hope that when the next-gen FP gets rolled out, we can select the time we want. Then those of who want to use a FP later in the day can select that time and not have to justify ourselves to the FP moral police.

 

[coopersmom]

Just read through the last 30 pages or so (that's what I get for not checking the boards all day yesterday).

What struck me is the large number of people - and often very ANGRY people - who frame this whole thing as a "ha ha, screw you" to all of us who currently use FP when it is convenient, instead of worrying about the end of the printed window.

All kinds of lovely posts about how we think we own the park, and how we're taking advantage of people who don't know about this policy.

I just don't understand this at all. I contend that whether we use our Soarin' FP at 11:10 or 3:10 has as much impact on others in the park as where we eat our lunch or park our car. Sure, you might be the person who happens to get in line just behind us at the Soarin' FP when we are "late," but the odds are pretty infintesimal - as slim as the odds that you would be in line right behind us at a QS, or have to park your car one car-width further away from the parks because we were in front of you entering the parking lot. Are we also just being selfish and unfair by...eating and parking?

Those of you who think our style of FP use is all about getting one over on the suckers are really looking at this from a weird perspective. It says something about how you view the world that you think people are doing something as innocuous as riding theme park rides based on some agenda of one-upsmanship.

We use FP mostly when it is convenient for us, when we're back near a ride or when we're passing time waiting for a show - so we don't have to criss cross the park five extra times with our kids in tow. And, I know this will shock you, but we don't even rub our hands together manaically and throw our heads back in evil laughter as we enter the FP lines "late." (Well, hardly ever.)

No, no, no you've COMPLETELY missed the point of this, and just about any other, Internet message board ... Reasonableness is simply not allowed. Plus, you forgot about twirling your mustache while manically laughing and jumping in front of people who have timed their FastPass to the second, while you play fast and loose with the time-space continuum.

I'm sorry, but equating using a product/service AS THE ISSUING COMPANY ACTIVELY ALLOWED, AND IN FACT ENCOURAGED, to the downfall of societal norms and boundaries would be funny enough to bring tears to my eyes, if it also didn't make me want to weep for other reasons. Yep, now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure "late" FastPass use was also the first step in the fall of Rome. Coming soon to the new Fantasyland: orgies and vomitoriums!

I don't like this new rule/enforcement/whatnot because it's far less convenient and enjoyable for me, a paying park guest. And yeah, I know my opinion will likely do diddley squat to change anything, unless enough people share it such that Disney's revenues/attendances drop with this new policy implementation.

Using FastPasses after the start time, but when convenient to us, was the rule, and I preferred it, but I can also understand it's changed, and we'll either deal with it, or go less, or not at all, or whatever. It's hardly a morality play, despite the hand wringing and outrage, on both sides.

And, frankly, worrying a whole lot less about what anyone else does, in all walks of life, would probably serve a whole lot of people (me often included in that number), in a whole lot of life scenarios, very well indeed.

I admit (another example of my bizarre, "skewed worldview," I'm sure) that I laugh every time I see people go to the well of dramatic and martyr-like reasons they could be late or early. But what if you're Joan of Arc and scheduled to be burnt at the stake at 4 PM, but your FastPass return time isn't till 4:05? Should the Cast Members let you in early, or does that set a bad precedent? What about the French army that's traveling by her side?

This is in no way meant to belittle anyone with, or especially having a child with, special needs, because I know they most definitely are there (and here). I'd even agree that it's a more prevalent thing to see at Disney because of the very accommodating nature of the park/brand. (An exceptionally admirable thing.)

I certainly can't speak for everyone but, FastPass or standby, anyone with a child as ill as some of the examples mentioned can go ahead of me and my (thankfully) healthy son anywhere, anytime, no matter how tired, hot and cranky he (or I) may be, or how much we have paid for the privilege to be in the park. It is the (literally) very least I can do to make their journey in life, and Disney, just the teeniest bit easier.

 

[CandleontheWater]

I certainly can't speak for everyone but, FastPass or standby, anyone with a child as ill as some of the examples mentioned can go ahead of me and my (thankfully) healthy son anytime, no matter how tired, hot and cranky he (or I) may be, or how much we have paid for the privilege to be in the park. It is the (literally) very least I can do to make their journey in life, and Disney, just the teeniest bit easier.

Count me in for this too! I'll also very happily wait a few minutes behind people with expired fastpasses because their kids were napping, cranky, needed a break, a snack, whatever.

I don't have a problem waiting a few extra minutes to allow flexibility for those that need it, I prefer to err on the side of compassion.

 

[mesaboy2]

Non-Resort guest with ADR's at any Disney Resort restarurant should be given a 2 hour parking pass. At the end of the 2 hour period, a boot should be placed on a wheel and the owner charged about $100 to get it off.

As much as we hate older kids in strollers, this is an impossible thing to control.

Other than lucking into a Poly stay next weekend, I never stay at the Deluxes so I have no dog in the resort parking fight. While I don't have much love for those who do it to visit the theme parks, your point-of-view is still a little harsh for me. For instance, one legitimate need for more than a 2-hour resort parking pass: Victoria & Albert's.

You're right on the strollers.

I guess we need to keep looking.

Actually it doesn't say that. It says, "PLEASE [emphasis added] return between *time* and *time.*

Extemely poor analogy. Those who use them late do not throw their "zebra domes" away. They simply "eat" them later. This actually ensures that they do NOT get wasted.

Under the NEW guidelines of not allowing late returns, FPs are MORE likely to get wasted. People will get a FP, intending to make it back, but if they don't they'll have to throw them away.

I hope that when the next-gen FP gets rolled out, we can select the time we want. Then those of who want to use a FP later in the day can select that time and not have to justify ourselves to the FP moral police.

I like you.

 

[KellyNY]

Just read through the last 30 pages or so (that's what I get for not checking the boards all day yesterday).

What struck me is the large number of people - and often very ANGRY people - who frame this whole thing as a "ha ha, screw you" to all of us who currently use FP when it is convenient, instead of worrying about the end of the printed window.

All kinds of lovely posts about how we think we own the park, and how we're taking advantage of people who don't know about this policy.

I just don't understand this at all. I contend that whether we use our Soarin' FP at 11:10 or 3:10 has as much impact on others in the park as where we eat our lunch or park our car. Sure, you might be the person who happens to get in line just behind us at the Soarin' FP when we are "late," but the odds are pretty infintesimal - as slim as the odds that you would be in line right behind us at a QS, or have to park your car one car-width further away from the parks because we were in front of you entering the parking lot. Are we also just being selfish and unfair by...eating and parking?

Those of you who think our style of FP use is all about getting one over on the suckers are really looking at this from a weird perspective. It says something about how you view the world that you think people are doing something as innocuous as riding theme park rides based on some agenda of one-upsmanship.

We use FP mostly when it is convenient for us, when we're back near a ride or when we're passing time waiting for a show - so we don't have to criss cross the park five extra times with our kids in tow. And, I know this will shock you, but we don't even rub our hands together manaically and throw our heads back in evil laughter as we enter the FP lines "late." (Well, hardly ever.)

What struck me is a number of people stating that they cannot waste their vacation time to look at the clock or even wait few minutes to get the right FP, while I guess it is totally fine to waste my vacation time when they delay my experience or other people experience including sleepy kids.
I am not buying, my kid needed a nap excuse because we are talking about Disney, almost every family has a kid or someone with special needs or life just happens, so how come someone feels it is OK to waste someones else time, someone in a same boat?

 

[MELSMICE]

What struck me is the large number of people - and often very ANGRY people - who frame this whole thing as a "ha ha, screw you" to all of us who currently use FP when it is convenient, instead of worrying about the end of the printed window.

I got that vibe too. Like we're really trying to pull a fast one on Disney. Disney has allowed this! The CM's have never said you couldn't enter after your time. In fact, they have been forthcoming with the fact that you CAN enter after your time has "expired" on your FP.

So, really, how were we in the wrong in doing something that was allowed?

No matter how you look at it, your FP reads "return between *time* and *time*" Period.
Wether it's enforced or not is not the real issue.

I'm not sure if enforcement is the "real" issue, but it certainly is a huge part of the issue, at least on this thread. They have not enforced what they claim is their policy.

Hate to open this can of worms, but...........it's like the refillable mugs debate. Disney has allowed people to use old mugs by not saying anything to stop it for years. They are finally addressing this issue.

Hasn't anyone heard "if you say nothing then you are condoning the behavior and accepting it"?

Five in a room that is meant for 4 guests........don't say anything & it's acceptable to the person doing it.

Say your child is under 2 so they don't need an admission ticket & not have to show proof, when in fact, they are 3 & should be paying for entrance. Do nothing about this and you are condoning and accepting of this.

Not showing up for ADR's & leaving a table empty........no penalty & it's OK to do that. They are now addressing this also.

Right or wrong, you can't "allow" something & then when you decide to change it not expect people to be upset about it.

 

[KellyNY]

Hey Cheshire Figment- or anyone else who can answer this question-

You posted earlier that denying individuals late FP access will help Disney's bottom line because then the lines won't be as long at the end of the day, and they'll be able to close up the park faster. This will save them money on CM pay.

I get that, and it does make sense- but we all know that the "closing" time of the theme parks is not actually when they kick the guests out, people still get time to shop or grab a snack and exit leisurely.

I personally really enjoy taking my time to exit Epcot after Illuminations, enjoying a relatively empty WS, and have spent up to two hours lingering with friends.

Is the reason I can enjoy this leisurely exit is because the Soarin' and TT fastpass lines are backed up, and they can't kick guests out until everyone is done riding?

I am always in WS at the end of the day, so I have no idea what is going on in FW.

If they really start enforcing FP return times, in order to save money at the end of the day, are they also going to start enforcing closing times- which will be where the cost savings in CM pay will come into play?

If the goal is to stop people from using FPs at the end of the day because they want to get the rides shut down and the CMs off the clock earlier, is that going to impact my enjoyment of the park post-closing?

Nobody is denied to ride at the closing so line can be pretty long. Nobody will be let in line after closing but those who already in line will ride. So lets say ride can close 15 min after closing or 1 hour after, keeping ride operators longer at work. Disney let you shop after closing but riding is a totally different story.

 

[CandleontheWater]

What struck me is a number of people stating that they cannot waste their vacation time to look at the clock or even wait few minutes to get the right FP, while I guess it is totally fine to waste my vacation time when they delay my experience or other people experience including sleepy kids.
I am not buying, my kid needed a nap excuse because we are talking about Disney, almost every family has a kid or someone with special needs or life just happens, so how come someone feels it is OK to waste someones else time, someone in a same boat?

I am one who doesn't want to waste my vacation time watching a clock or watching the FP machine scroll forward to a convenient return time.

On the flip side, I also have no problems waiting the 5 minutes behind a family with an expired fastpass.

Maybe because if it came down to it, I see letting a family (who otherwise would be denied access) have the chance to experience an attraction as a better use of my time.

I hate wasting my time on stupid things, wasting my time to do something nice for someone else, that's OK.

 

[Senator Tressel]

For those of us who actually ride the headliners up until park closing, you know there is never any kind of significant line for anything at park closing, so that's certainly not a reason. MAYBE Soarin'. Maybe. One ride in the entirety of four parks.

 

[tink70]

I honestly never had a problem with using a fast pass, I simply show up when I'm supposed to.
I am sure there can be exceptions, but for the most part isn't it also considerate to show up when you are supposed too?
Of course CM's let you on, Disney usually does what they can to accommodate people.so I'm not surprised they do that, but if everyone showed up when they could, doesn't really make it a fast pass, just a way to get on the ride whenever you want.
So I guess the enforcement really won't make a difference to me.

 

[mom2rtk]

I am one who doesn't want to waste my vacation time watching a clock or watching the FP machine scroll forward to a convenient return time.

On the flip side, I also have no problems waiting the 5 minutes behind a family with an expired fastpass.

Maybe because if it came down to it, I see letting a family (who otherwise would be denied access) have the chance to experience an attraction as a better use of my time.

I hate wasting my time on stupid things, wasting my time to do something nice for someone else, that's OK.

Very well put.

 

[Senator Tressel]

I am sure there can be exceptions, but for the most part isn't it also considerate to show up when you are supposed too?

No, it's not "considerate". But there is no convincing people who want to believe it is some kind of moral goodness argument otherwise.

 

[CandleontheWater]

Here is the quote from Cheshire Figment

From a financial standpoint, the change in policy and enforcement will save Disney money.

Let's use TSMM as an example. During most of the day the Standby line is at 70 minutes. However fastpass use is at 50% of people within their window. All of a sudden comes 30 minutes before Park closing and the other 50% of fastpass holders show up. This means the Standby line may stretch out to 120 minutes. The policy is anyone in the queue at Park Closing will get to ride. So this will add an hour to the actual closing time of the attraction. And it will not only affect the CMs working at TSMM, but also Custodial, Greeters at the Gate, Security, etc. So enforement will save Disney money.

He says that it will save Disney money if people with expired FPs don't get in the line at the end of the day. He knows what he is talking about and he specifically mentions not just the CM at the attraction in question, but Custodial, Greeters at the Gate, Security, etc.

Nobody is denied to ride at the closing so line can be pretty long. Nobody will be let in line after closing but those who already in line will ride. So lets say ride can close 15 min after closing or 1 hour after, keeping ride operators longer at work. Disney let you shop after closing but riding is a totally different story.

When they eliminate those extra long lines and extra time from ride operations, but they still let me linger 2 hours in the world showcase, or shopping on main street- then there is no net savings when it comes to custodial, greeters at the gate, etc.

If one of the reasons that they are eliminating late FP usage is because they want to save money in CM pay at the end of the day, they aren't going to be able to do so if I'm still in the park shopping. That is why I am concerned.