Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[mesaboy2]

Try sucrifising chickens, and eventually you'll be vendicated.

Oooh, I can get sacrificed chickens from a vending machine? Where do I sign? Will Morales give me the stink-eye?

 

[larryz]

I love this idea. I hope something like it is in works. How cool would touch-screen FP kiosks be?

As long as you don't mind having to get a FastPass to get a FastPass, because if you have to wait for the average theme-park goer to (a) figure out how to use the touchscreen, and (b) actually make a choice as to what time they want their FPs for, it'll be five minutes or so PER PERSON in line ahead of you.

 

[TLSnell1981]

. You just want it your way, and won't settle for anything other that what the FP insiders club has allowed you. Now you must make a choice, and perhaps lower expectations a bit and be thankful for all those years you were able to get away with the FP return times.

How about going at another time of year?

Entitlement. A national epidemic.

Actually, I'm NOT a FP collecter. We attempt to make every return window. But, even the best laid plans can go awry...especially at WDW. Broken rides, overbooked restaurants, closed attractions, get caught behind a parade (yes, it's happens), etc.... All things, beyond MY control. It was nice to know, my family could still ride TSM or Soarin' (whatever) even if we missed our window. Once upon a time, we booked two or more TS meals (OOP) per day.. That will no longer be an option, way too stressful to meet so many deadlines

 

[larryz]

Oooh, I can get sacrificed chickens from a vending machine? Where do I sign? Will Morales give me the stink-eye?

Now, now, it's not nice to make fun of the vendicated chicken-sucrifisers...

 

[vacationclub]

A sit down meal and ability to experience, maybe 3-4 attractions a day is expecting too much?

Not at all. The plans you're describing seem much more complicated than that. I routinely have a sit down meal and much more than 4 attractions in a day, never using FP late and never making an ADR. You are asking for a more specific experience. You're asking for the very poplular sit down meals, and perhaps the very popular rides on the same day at the busiest time of year. Is this correct? You could perhaps use park-hoppers and multiple days to spread out the hard to get appointments in each park.

We've vacationed with Disney for 30+ years..2-3 times a year, over the last 12+ years. Unfortunately, we don't have much choice in the time of year. We bring our DK, DGK and DMiL..school, work, etc. dictates our schedules....

We have a large brood and handicapped family members...it slows us down. We can't race for FPs... Guess, we're just "out of luck"?

Unfortunately, based on everything you've described....yes. You are up against a lot of issues there. The biggest being the time of year. Disney is popular. Lots of people go. That makes it crowded. Before fast pass (which existed for MOST of your 30 years of Disney trips) you would have no basis for this argument at all. How did you manage before fast pass existed....let alone before they allowed it to be used past the posted time?

Entitlement? I'm not asking for a handout. I am a PAYING customer.

Being a paying customer doesn't mean you can't act entitled. In fact, it's usually the number one excuse the entitled give when acting entitled. Paying doesn't mean you get anything you want. You seem to think that, because you're paying for the opportunity at a variety of experiences to choose from however you can manage....that you shouldn't have to choose.

It is what it is. You've become used to it based on this FP exception (which didn't exist for many of the years you went to Disney). Now you're being forced to conform to the methods that many, if not most have only known anyway...then complaining to some of them people expecting sympathy.

 

[KellyNY]

Except that your "vendication" is based on the erroneous conclusion that coming back later impacted anybody else by more than a few seconds. That Disney allowed and even advertised the acceptability for so long suggests that late FP use didn't impact anyone else by much. That they are doing so now suggests that something else is coming down the road, i.e. Xpass.

All this debating's gotten me thirsty. I think I'll go get a soda now from a vinding machine.

Yeah, lets pretend we never ever discussed this before. Lets just start another round. BTW, if it makes you feel better to label me, go ahead, maybe it will make it easy to come out with another strategy on 3/7.

 

[vacationclub]

Actually, I'm NOT a FP collecter. We attempt to make every return window. But, even the best laid plans can go awry...especially at WDW. Broken rides, overbooked restaurants, closed attractions, get caught behind a parade (yes, it's happens), etc.... All things, beyond MY control. It was nice to know, my family could still ride TSM or Soarin' (whatever) even if we missed our window. Once upon a time, we booked two or more TS meals (OOP) per day.. That will no longer be an option, way too stressful to meet so many deadlines

So, this is all based on your worst case scenario? You're not actually employing the FP late returns to create your perfect schedule? Because your post earlier seemed to imply that you couldn't make it work anymore without returning to FP late. FP doesn't require a specific time...it's a window, and even then they will still keep a 15 min grace period. Seems that might cover a lot of scenarios if you normally plan on returning on time.

 

[magicbob]

As long as you don't mind having to get a FastPass to get a FastPass, because if you have to wait for the average theme-park goer to (a) figure out how to use the touchscreen, and (b) actually make a choice as to what time they want their FPs for, it'll be five minutes or so PER PERSON in line ahead of you.

But can you use your FP late to get your FP?

 

[KellyNY]

There ARE, in fact, some on these boards who feel vindicated by this change (and then there are those who, based on their posts, obviously feel that way, but deny it) because, in their minds, it proves that they were correct for all these years in looking down on those who used FPs late as "rule breakers." Disney finally recognized that something had to be done about these scofflaws and now Disney has finally acted and put us in our place, thus affirming the moral superiority of those who refused to use a FP outside of the times printed on it.

What a wild imagination.

 

[KellyNY]

Try sucrifising chickens, and eventually you'll be vendicated.

I would not suggest it now, prices on chickens jumped up... maybe virgins

 

[magicbob]

There ARE, in fact, some on these boards who feel vindicated by this change (and then there are those who, based on their posts, obviously feel that way, but deny it) because, in their minds, it proves that they were correct for all these years in looking down on those who used FPs late as "rule breakers." Disney finally recognized that something had to be done about these scofflaws and now Disney has finally acted and put us in our place, thus affirming the moral superiority of those who refused to use a FP outside of the times printed on it.

What a wild imagination.

But you know what, they have a reasonable believe that they are dealing with adults who can easily play by rules, prooven by many people who never used late FPs.

If the glass slipper fits...

 

[TLSnell1981]

Except that your "vendication" is based on the erroneous conclusion that coming back later impacted anybody else by more than a few seconds. That Disney allowed and even advertised the acceptability for so long suggests that late FP use didn't impact anyone else by much. That they are doing so now suggests that something else is coming down the road, i.e. Xpass.

Late fast passes has little or no affect. Disney has found a new improved way to reserve our experiences AND make more $$$$. Nothing more...nothing less. Disney is NOT changing the system for the "moral good".

Try sucrifising chickens, and eventually you'll be vendicated.

Insanity on the DIS...the same thing over and over. I think, I will let the chickens live. The proof will be in the pudding.

 

[KellyNY]

If the glass slipper fits...

... I think your measurement system may be off...

 

[vacationclub]

Late fast passes has little or no affect.

What are you basing this on?

If there was no reason to have a return window, why did they give you one? Why was it designed that way? Perhaps your statement would be more accurate if you said "Late fast passes were used, but because it was not widely known about or officially communicated, there was not enough late returners for it to be of enough concern that Disney would have to make waves and enforce it. They choose to let the exploiters do their thing as long it wasn't at a level that was too high. They let them have their little secret as long as it didn't get in the way of something else....like a new paid reservation system."

: Disney has found a new improved way to reserve our experiences AND make more $$$$. Nothing more...nothing less. Disney is NOT changing the system for the "moral good".

Yes, they've found a way to offer a service that people would think is worth paying for. Normal FP users feel no change, and are not forced to pay. This only affects those who knew about the FP loophole and used it to their advantage.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Yes, they've found a way to offer a service that people would think is worth paying for. Normal FP users feel no change, and are not forced to pay. This only affects those who knew about the FP loophole and used it to their advantage.

XPass will affect EVERYONE...not just a morally bankrupt few.

 

[mesaboy2]

Yeah, lets pretend we never ever discussed this before. Lets just start another round. BTW, if it makes you feel better to label me, go ahead, maybe it will make it easy to come out with another strategy on 3/7.

Let's try a different tack, then. You never answered a question I posed to you way way way back in this thread.

Are you ever in the parks after close? Do you plan your day so that you defer say, shopping time, until after park close because you know Disney allows it--even though you can't find anything official or all-policy-looking that says that? If not, how do you feel about those that do?

 

[magicbob]

Let's try a different tack, then. You never answered a question I posed to you way way way back in this thread.

Are you ever in the parks after close? Do you plan your day so that you defer say, shopping time, until after park close because you know Disney allows it--even though you can't find anything official or all-policy-looking that says that? If not, how do you feel about those that do?

What a wild imagination! Did you READ what she wrote???? Your measurement system must be off!

 

[KellyNY]

Let's try a different tack, then. You never answered a question I posed to you way way way back in this thread.

Are you ever in the parks after close? Do you plan your day so that you defer say, shopping time, until after park close because you know Disney allows it--even though you can't find anything official or all-policy-looking that says that? If not, how do you feel about those that do?

I'm sorry, am I suppose to answer every question/comment directed at me? If I did not answer, I did not find it worth answering.
BTW, you really think I will participate in you trying to analyze me? C'mon Mesaboy...

 

[nytimez]

Sounds like someone just hit a nerve...

 

[mesaboy2]

I'm sorry, am I suppose to answer every question/comment directed at me? If I did not answer, I did not find it worth answering.
BTW, you really think I will participate in you trying to analyze me? C'mon Mesaboy...

Interesting non-answer.

I'm not trying to analyze you. I'm trying to back your flimsy argument into a corner by coming up with the closest analogue I can think of.