Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[sweet angel]

Really?

And what page is YOUR post on?

I really couldn't tell you, but if you go back a bit and find my first post on the topic, I clearly state that I didn't read the first 100+ pages.

 

[vacationclub]

Originally Posted by mesaboy2
Are you ever in the parks after close? Do you plan your day so that you defer say, shopping time, until after park close because you know Disney allows it--even though you can't find anything official or all-policy-looking that says that? If not, how do you feel about those that do?

I couldn't care less about those that do this. In fact, it sounds like a good tip for next time. But if they suddenly start closing the shops when the rest of the park closes, I probably won't get too upset out it.

But if you're trying to compare this to FP, and the whole policy thing, first,the FP thing is a bit more invisible since its not as obvious as a store that's open with people in it long after closing. Anyone can clearly see the stores stay open after park "close". But not everyone can clearly see that the ticket, the web site, the sign, and the TV show in the hotel rooms all have a loose enforcement of what is stated That takes accidental, or insider information.

Also, there are no return times for the store...anyone can walk in any time they want...just like a standby line, so it's kind of hard to compare that. Of course Disney will let you in their store if you want to give them some more money.

 

[nytimez]

I couldn't care less about those that do this. In fact, it sounds like a good tip for next time. But if they suddenly start closing the shops when the rest of the park closes, I probably won't get too upset out it.

But if you're trying to compare this to FP, and the whole policy thing, first,the FP thing is a bit more invisible since its not as obvious as a store that's open with people in it long after closing. Anyone can clearly see the stores stay open after park "close". But not everyone can clearly see that the ticket, the web site, the sign, and the TV show in the hotel rooms all have a loose enforcement of what is stated That takes accidental, or insider information.

Also, there are no return times for the store...anyone can walk in any time they want...just like a standby line, so it's kind of hard to compare that. Of course Disney will let you in their store if you want to give them some more money.

Why bring it up at all if you don't want to answer questions about it?

Wait, I think I know the answer. You're being modest -- but you've given us plenty of clues. I'll say you're a solid 10 out of 10 at "pretend."

 

[KellyNY]

Why bring it up at all if you don't want to answer questions about it?

Wrong fluke, I am the one not answering this question, not her.

 

[vacationclub]

Why bring it up at all if you don't want to answer questions about it?

Wait, I think I know the answer. You're being modest -- but you've given us plenty of clues. I'll say you're a solid 10 out of 10 at "pretend."

Are you specifically quoting my posts, regardless of what I say or whom I'm responding to, to simply make random accusations and comments that have nothing to do with anything?

Can you in any way explain yourself?

 

[KellyNY]

Can you in any way explain yourself?

That would be way too much to ask.

 

[nytimez]

Are you specifically quoting my posts, regardless of what I say or whom I'm responding to, to simply make random accusations and comments that have nothing to do with anything?

Can you in any way explain yourself?

Who's making accusations?

I think everything in this thread has been pretty self-explanatory -- but why on earth would anyone need to respond to your demand that they explain themselves?

I apologize if much of this is beyond your grasp. Sometimes, it is difficult to know.

 

[WillAustin]

I prefer to live in what I call operational reality.

It's based on what actually happens, not what other people think is supposed to.

 

[KellyNY]

I prefer to live in what I call operational reality.

It's based on what actually happens, not what other people think is supposed to.

You prefer, you mean you can actually choose reality?

 

[mesaboy2]

I couldn't care less about those that do this. In fact, it sounds like a good tip for next time. But if they suddenly start closing the shops when the rest of the park closes, I probably won't get too upset out it.

Neither am I anything close to "upset" about the new normal. Merely disappointed, and I'll adjust. Where I get upset is being accused of being immoral because I did something that multiple CMs told me was perfectly fine. I'm not saying you've called me this, but countless posters on this thread alone clearly have called me and my kind this. That I take offense to, because I'm pretty proud of being an upstanding citizen.

But if you're trying to compare this to FP, and the whole policy thing, first,the FP thing is a bit more invisible since its not as obvious as a store that's open with people in it long after closing. Anyone can clearly see the stores stay open after park "close". But not everyone can clearly see that the ticket, the web site, the sign, and the TV show in the hotel rooms all have a loose enforcement of what is stated That takes accidental, or insider information.

True. But then lots of people have clearly heard from CMs saying "hey, this is okay" with regard to returning later than their FP window. Even those that haven't and are astute can figure it out by reading the language on the FP, front and back. That others didn't isn't my problem. And that others didn't and stick their collective heads in the sand for the sake of a heightened sense of self-morality also isn't my problem.

Also, there are no return times for the store...anyone can walk in any time they want...just like a standby line, so it's kind of hard to compare that. Of course Disney will let you in their store if you want to give them some more money.

Au contraire, there are return times for the stores. They are posted clearly and are called park hours. Why print the park closing time if they aren't going to enforce it? That some people don't take advantage of the extra operating minutes again, wait for it...isn't my problem. I once was in a store just before the park closed happily shopping when I saw some people come in after park close, select their items, and then go on ahead of me and checkout. That didn't seem fair to me. How is this different than late FP use, other than the obvious financial benefit Disney? I mean, I was in the store on time and they weren't--why should they be allowed to shop? I'd be doubly angry if they picked up the last item on the shelf before I got to it, too. Is this not a valid comparison? Is my argument here petty and ham-handed?

 

[nytimez]

Neither am I anything close to "upset" about the new normal. Merely disappointed, and I'll adjust. Where I get upset is being accused of being immoral because I did something that multiple CMs told me was perfectly fine. I'm not saying you've called me this, but countless posters on this thread alone clearly have called me and my kind this. That I take offense to, because I'm pretty proud of being an upstanding citizen.



True. But then lots of people have clearly heard from CMs saying "hey, this is okay" with regard to returning later than their FP window. Even those that haven't and are astute can figure it out by reading the language on the FP, front and back. That others didn't isn't my problem. And that others didn't and stick their collective heads in the sand for the sake of a heightened sense of self-morality also isn't my problem.



Au contraire, there are return times for the stores. They are posted clearly and are called park hours. Why print the park closing time if they aren't going to enforce it? That some people don't take advantage of the extra operating minutes again, wait for it...isn't my problem. I once was in a store just before the park closed happily shopping when I saw some people come in after park close, select their items, and then go on ahead of me and checkout. That didn't seem fair to me. How is this different than late FP use, other than the obvious financial benefit Disney? I mean, I was in the store on time and they weren't--why should they be allowed to shop? I'd be doubly angry if they picked up the last item on the shelf before I got to it, too. Is this not a valid comparison? Is my argument here petty and ham-handed?

You are making the mistake of making sense again.

 

[mesaboy2]

You are making the mistake of making sense again.

Sorry, dude. Someone can try to slap the sense out of me if they'd like.

 

[WillAustin]

You prefer, you mean you can actually choose reality?

Sure. Many people in this thread choose to believe whatever they want, even when reality has shown to be the opposite.

 

[vacationclub]

Neither am I anything close to "upset" about the new normal. Merely disappointed, and I'll adjust. Where I get upset is being accused of being immoral because I did something that multiple CMs told me was perfectly fine. I'm not saying you've called me this, but countless posters on this thread alone clearly have called me and my kind this. That I take offense to, because I'm pretty proud of being an upstanding citizen.

I don't blame you. I don't think anyone who did something that Disney allowed them to is immoral. I've never seen anyone say that here but if I did I'd take issue, same as you. Had I known about the FP loose enforcement I would have taken advantage of not felt guilty, but I'd do it with the realization that it may be temporary, and may go away, since it runs counter to their public position on the subject. If it went away, I'd be a bit disappointed, but that's it.

True. But then lots of people have clearly heard from CMs saying "hey, this is okay" with regard to returning later than their FP window. Even those that haven't and are astute can figure it out by reading the language on the FP, front and back. That others didn't isn't my problem. And that others didn't and stick their collective heads in the sand for the sake of a heightened sense of self-morality also isn't my problem.

I agree about all the morality stuff. But the stores being open are clearly more obvious than...as you just stated...something you have to either hear about somehow....or figure out somehow. You cant see it clearly like a store with open doors and people inside shopping.
But, I guess I'm not sure of the point of all this, as I don't think anyone taking advantage of something Disney let them is doing something wrong. FP was allowed late, now it won't be. You can't blame people for being upset about that unless they think they were entitled to it. They were lucky to have had it. Good for them.

Au contraire, there are return times for the stores. They are posted clearly and are called park hours. Why print the park closing time if they aren't going to enforce it? That some people don't take advantage of the extra operating minutes again, wait for it...isn't my problem. I once was in a store just before the park closed happily shopping when I saw some people come in after park close, select their items, and then go on ahead of me and checkout. That didn't seem fair to me. How is this different than late FP use, other than the obvious financial benefit Disney? I mean, I was in the store on time and they weren't--why should they be allowed to shop? I'd be doubly angry if they picked up the last item on the shelf before I got to it, too. Is this not a valid comparison?

I agree with the first part, but again, the obvious difference is that FP is a reservation system with a printed return time specific to the ticket holder, and the store simply has a generic "we're open" as long as you're still in this park.

I'm not sure i understand what happened when someone crowded in front of you for the checkout or how it relates to the store being open late. Could you further explain this story? the store was open for you....and was still open for someone else. How did they "go ahead of you in line"

 

[KellyNY]

Sure. Many people in this thread choose to believe whatever they want, even when reality has shown to be the opposite.

And that is actually where all the mess is. Reality shows it is(was) allowed, nobody questioned this part, yet why it was allowed because it was the official policy(rule on how to use FP, we can phrase it this way as well) even so it was not advertized and pretty much goes against FP window or it was exception, inner rule that got out and was abused. See reality does not change, it was allowed and now it is not but opinions can go any directions here.

 

[WillAustin]

And that is actually where all the mess is. Reality shows it is(was) allowed, nobody questioned this part, yet why it was allowed because it was the official policy(rule on how to use FP, we can phrase it this way as well) even so it was not advertized and pretty much goes against FP window or it was exception, inner rule that got out and was abused. See reality does not change, it was allowed and now it is not but opinions can go any directions here.

Yes, opinions are plentiful.

Concluding it was abused is still an opinion. Certainly, none of the CMs that told me it was fine ever gave any indication that it was just an exception, an accommodation, or anything other than perfectly OK every day. There was no opinion in that.

 

[mesaboy2]

I'm not sure i understand what happened when someone crowded in front of you for the checkout or how it relates to the store being open late. Could you further explain this story? the store was open for you....and was still open for someone else. How did they "go ahead of you in line"

It's only a hypothetical story to prove my point. It's meant to parallel some of the arguments against late FP use.

But, let's pretend the store entrance is the entrance to a queue. Instead of a waiting in a queue, I'm shopping instead. I might take a while. Meanwhile, someone else enters the store after park close, shops briefly and then checks out in front of me, and takes the last whatzit to boot (that I wanted but hadn't gotten to yet). They came in after the store officially closed, got something I wanted, and left before me. Kinda stinks if I'm a sacrosanct rule-follower. But if I understand that an extremely literal set of rules is not what Disney's all about, then I leave maybe disappointed but smarter for next time.

By no means a perfect analogy, but I think you get my point.

 

[sweet angel]

It was allowed. Now it won't be. Deal with it or find somewhere else to spend your vacations dollars.

 

[KellyNY]

Yes, opinions are plentiful.

Concluding it was abused is still an opinion. Certainly, none of the CMs that told me it was fine ever gave any indication that it was just an exception, an accommodation, or anything other than perfectly OK every day. There was no opinion in that.

There is no opinion on what FP and Disney site says as well. It is pretty clear and available to everyone, unlike meeting the right CM or comming across info accidentally. So saying it was allowed, fine with me, saying it was meant to be this way and not the way it was presented to everyone, nope, not IMO.

 

[mattsdragon]

STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!

This thread has gotten completely over the edge.

Between the moral high ground standers casting their first stones, the drama queens with every excuse in the book for why they can't possible get back in time for any FP, and the other people who can't deal with reality this thread has gotten out of hand.

There is no longer any place for logic like Doc brings, and worse yet, the sarcastic, totally non-sensical "smarmy" (not my word originally, but it's fitting) zings of Mesa, Wade, NYTIMEZ and myself are being totally disregarded and some of them are even lowering themselves into the fray.

This is unacceptable.