Woman accuses Disney Cruise Lines entertainer of sexual assault

[phinz]

It really is not up to us members to try to do their job.

I only wish some members would take this to heart instead of trolling threads they don't even belong in so that they can tattle to moderators. I won't name names, but ******** ******.

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

A sensible thread with a good discussion- disintegrates. How sad.

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

I only wish some members would take this to heart instead of trolling threads they don't even belong in so that they can tattle to moderators. I won't name names, but ******** ******.

Agree. It's become a big problem here.

 

[phinz]

^^^Hey, look at that! I actually agreed with something you said, Disney Fantasy!^^^

 

[jeepnjudy]

Back to topic...the reality is alcohol lowers the inhibitions but does not give anyone the right to take advantage of anyone else so he will likely be held accountable for his inebriated behavior based on the preponderance of the evidence presented.

 

[WanderLit]

Rape culture is in the language we use, "woman accuses Disney Cruise Lines entertainer of sexual assault" should read "Disney Cruise Lines entertainer arrested for sexual assault"

Discussion about how weird it was for the woman to put herself in that position should be about how weird it was that a man could get a woman to lower her defenses so much.

Remember, he will get his day in court to speak his piece. His accuser has to PROOVE the case against him above any reasonable doubt. She will only be judged in the court of public opinion with no opportunity for rebuttal or cross examination. She is at the mercy of public opinion and pure speculation.

 

[WanderLit]

Actually, I think it can be summed up that neither person made very smart or mature decisions. IF the story actually contains factual information, that is.

Yes, they both made foolish and immature decisions... but *his* decision was deciding to do something illegal. Even in her drunken state after foolishly misplacing her trust, she STILL did nothing illegal.

 

[WanderLit]

Why was the entertainer just associated with Disney Cruise Line? He's been on most of the major cruise lines and not just Disney. We could spend all day talking about the lack of integrity in reporting.

It's perfectly appropriate reporting. He had invited her on a Disney cruise where he was also performer. Whether or not he performed on other ships as well is tangential to this particular story.

 

[Expatriat]

I would view this differently if the woman got drunk, was lured into going to bed with the man and then was taken advantage of. That she also willingly slept with him the night prior, even under the pretense of "just friends," is what equally distributes the "guilt" in my mind. Spending the entire next day with him (drinking at Epcot) and night (back in bed with him again) plus her intent to cruise with him would lead me to believe HE perceived it as a developing/progressing relationship. Maybe the second night she forgot to remind him that she still wanted to be "just friends." I doubt the man was seeking a platonic relationship. Not impossible, but HIGHLY unlikely!!! I am not saying what allegedly happened was right, but I certainly think it was predictable given her actions.

 

[keaster]

So here is my 2 cents. According to the story, she was passed out and woke up to find him having sex with her. If these facts are true, then he indeed should be charged. I don't care if she told him 50 times that day "Yes I'm going to completely have sex with you tonight!" I don't care that they were sharing a bed. At that moment she was unconcious and unable to consent to what he was doing.

 

[Expatriat]

Well, reportedly they had ordered room service after getting back to the room after the day at Epcot, so she had presumably eaten. That, combined with sleeping (as "it" supposedly happened the next morning), means she was likely no longer intoxicated. Maybe hungover, but not still drunk. She was probably asleep, NOT unconscious. I imagine she woke up as soon as he started anything. In any case, it is "he said, she said." I just think she entirely set herself up for this, so I deem it 50/50 responsibility and think both are either naive or a bit crazy. But in a courtroom, sure, the man will get all the blame. No doubt . . . unless it turns out she has a history of incidents like this.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Yes, they both made foolish and immature decisions... but *his* decision was deciding to do something illegal. Even in her drunken state after foolishly misplacing her trust, she STILL did nothing illegal.

Seems nothing has been proven as yet. We do not know as this point if he did make a illegal decision. Here again rape culture and guilty before trial rears its head.

If he is convicted I will be the first one to lock him up and throwaway the key!



AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

It's perfectly appropriate reporting. He had invited her on a Disney cruise where he was also performer. Whether or not he performed on other ships as well is tangential to this particular story.

I am afraid I disagree here, The suspect was not working for DCL at the time, they were not on a DCL vessel, nor Disney property. The one and only reason Disney's name was put in the heading and no other line was................was simply to sell the report, get additional readers.

Poor reporting!

AKK

 

[keaster]

Well, reportedly they had ordered room service after getting back to the room after the day at Epcot, so she had presumably eaten. That, combined with sleeping (as "it" supposedly happened the next morning), means she was likely no longer intoxicated. Maybe hungover, but not still drunk. She was probably asleep, NOT unconscious. I imagine she woke up as soon as he started anything. In any case, it is "he said, she said." I just think she entirely set herself up for this, so I deem it 50/50 responsibility and think both are either naive or a bit crazy. But in a courtroom, sure, the man will get all the blame. No doubt . . . unless it turns out she has a history of incidents like this.

Actually I think you'll find in the court room it will be the woman who gets the blame and will be put under the microscope (How well did you know him? Why did you agree to sleep in the same bed? Why did you drink so much? Did you lead him to believe you would have sex? What did you say that made him think sex was okay?)

This is why the majority of sex assault cases goes unreported. The victim knows their behaviour will be scrutinized and they feel embarrassed and ashamed.

 

[WanderLit]

Seems nothing has been proven as yet. We do not know as this point if he did make a illegal decision. Here again rape culture and guilty before trial rears its head.

If he is convicted I will be the first one to lock him up and throwaway the key!
AKK

True, but there was enough evidence for an arrest and the original post was prefaced with "if the story contains factual information".

We'll see whether or not there is enough evidence for a conviction but he was apparently caught red-handed in the act when the woman awoke to find him having sex with her without her consent or participation.

Consent isn't complicated. Have you seen the "tea" video?

 

[ILovePixieDust]

Here is a video that explains consent brilliantly:

http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/28/this-...a-video-from-the-police-is-brilliant-5466392/

It's very simple really. I don't know why our society doesn't understand that being drunk is not permitting someone to do something to you. Can you imagine if a thief came into your house and stole all your valuables and then was acquitted because you were drunk and passed out? Even if the thief was a friend who you has given things to in the past. He is not then free to take your other valuables.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

True, but there was enough evidence for an arrest. We'll see whether or not there is enough evidence for a conviction but he was apparently caught red-handed in the act when the woman awoke to find him having sex with her without her consent or participation.

Consent isn't complicated. Have you seen the "tea" video?

That is her statement at this time., no trial as yet, so I repeat, nothing has been proven to say he did anything illegal.

AKK

 

[WanderLit]

That is her statement at this time., no trial as yet, so I repeat, nothing has been proven to say he did anything illegal.

AKK

the original post I responded to included the perimeter "if the story contains factual information".

 

[AquaDame]

I only wish some members would take this to heart instead of trolling threads they don't even belong in so that they can tattle to moderators. I won't name names, but ******** ******.

Agree. It's become a big problem here.

Mod here, am I missing something..? Since November I've had only three reports - only one from a user who would match those asterisks and in that case it was a request to merge two threads into one. Everything else I've found on my own. Perhaps ironically nothing in this thread led me to it until the comment about mods, which led to someone (not her) flagging the thread for moderation. If you guys are concerned about members trawling threads to help newbies - by and large what she does - I'm more than happy to have that conversation with you. I am not sure it is her fault if helping is pointing out the rules from time to time, and as a mod I appreciate her giving them the heads up. Without us all chiming in questions would go unanswered - we mods just haven't the time to hit everything!

 

[Bree]

I think a lot of posters would have a different opinion if this was a women they knew or even their daughter. I can't believe all the victim blaming going on. How about the fact that the guy should have kept it in his pants???