WL - pool crashing problem

[ducklite]

Well, I make PS's for dinner every night, so this hasn't been a problem, nor would I think it would be.

As far as the transportation goes, I don't see every person in every restaurant leaving at once to get someplace.

As far as the tyvek wristbands, they are made of a material which is almost imposible to simply "rip off", so I do'nt see that being a problem either. Like other posters have said, this is done at many of the finest resorts in North America, and it has been successful.

As far as people bringing back the bands to use again, I don't see this working, as they can't be simply taken off, they have to be cut or carefully ripped off, and guest services could ask for current room ID before issuing a new one.

Anne

 

[>>^..^<<]

Poolhopping

I wonder if some people would stop doing it if it was allowed? Maybe part of the attraction is that it is not allowed - it makes you want it even more.

I wonder what would happen if they permitted poolhopping between the deluxes... pool hopping between the moderates and pool hopping between the values (as I believe they have now?)

You know.. book one resort and you can swim at 4 others... like a advertised perk for you - promoted and encouraged.

The best of both worlds - guests don't feel ripped off because they now have options. They are now really getting more for their money and it's easier for disney to monitor.

It would be better customer service for Disney to offer choices than just say no.

Having said that - I almost pool hopped at GF last year because I had 2 hours to kill while my daughter was on the GF pirate cruise... but now I am glad I didn't - instead I ate and shopped - my other favourite hobbys at Disney!

>>^..^<<

 

[DMRick]

What's a few, "I know! I wouldn't put up with that for a second!"s among friends?

I guess my friends don't worry about what isn't theirs to fix : )

Also, this wasn't just about complaining, unless it simply said.."hey, I can't stand pool hoppers". No one would disagree about that statement, But it's really not ever about "hey! the people came from the Floridian to use the AK pool...but about hey the people from Allstars or Ft Wilderness came to use my AK pool..and I can tell who they are by looking at them". It's the put down that ends up here..or the "I can tell they don't belong" that bothers me.

 

[peachgirl]

We saw CMs check ID's at the WL pools over Labor Day weekend in 2001. As they went around and checked IDs at the main pool, you wouldn't believe how many people were asked to leave! It sure opened up a lot of seating for paying guests.

That seems like a perfectly logical way to handle the problem. If it's crowded, they check ID's. If it isn't crowded, then even if there are pool hoppers there, it isn't affecting me. Looks to me like Disney already has it under control.

What bothers me about these threads is the attitude that anyone who pool hops must be staying at a less expensive (translated lower class) resort or offsite (translated even lower class) and that somehow those that are staying at a deluxe resort are somehow better than other people. Most people won't say it quite that plainly, but the message still comes through loud and clear.

 

[Hayley]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Most people won't say it quite that plainly, but the message still comes through loud and clear.

Sorry, but you're hearing things!

But it doesn't really matter - if someone pays extra for something they are <i>entitled</i> to it!

I don't care if it's the Queen of England - if she's not paying to stay at the Polynesian, she can get her royal keister out of <i>my</i> pool chair!

(no offense meant to our DIS friends from the UK!)

 

[Laurajean1014]

I do not agree with a wristband. I don't want to look like a refugee when I go to dinner with a neon colored wristband because I stay on WDW property.

VB has a gate access that works extremely well. And I also do not agree with this boards pool hopping. Disney states that if not to capacity, DVC members can pool hop, I agree with that notion. Also, WL's pool is lame, why would anyone want to chance getting kicked out of there. It's one of the worse pools on WDW property.

 

[JOC]

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by wtg2000
What about signs that pools are for resort guests only, or even a notice at the MK boat dock to the resorts to the same effect. It's possible that some people don't even realize it. They think that WDW is WDW and they can go wherever they like.

They have signs posted, they just ignore them. Pool hoppers will only be stopped when Disney stops them.

They will not to it on their own.

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by ducklite
Peachgirl-

Actually it is and has long been a problem. Why doesn't WDW fix it? Because they are so terribly worried about offending or inconveniencing people. The problem is that the people most inconvenienced and offended by some of the policies are those who are so because of Disney's lack of action. They did finally fix it at SAB, after years and years of complaints. Perhaps that's what it will take, a continuous letter writing campaign by upset guests of the various resorts with "attractively located" pools.

I'll bet that guests of a resort with a habitually overcrowded pool are more upset and likely to not stay at that resort again than pool hopppers who are asked to leave or not allowed in to begin with...

They cut off their nose to spite their face. The problem is that they don't have the foresight to realize that eventually they'll have no nose left. It's not just with the pools, it's an overwhelming and pervasive systematic problem with the company who is so worried about upsetting any guest for any reason. They have become unable to look at the big picture.

Anne

You are very right, even though many will disagree. Disney is unaware of that for every guest they allow priviliges they did not pay for, they offend 2 that did pay for it.

The problem is the guest wanting to use the pool without paying for it, will put up a big stink if denied. The guest staying there just looks the other way, as many feel as others It's not that big a deal.

Only when enough guests complain about the inconvenience will they stop it. And it will take Disney to stop it.

 

[DMRick]

Sorry, but you're hearing things!

I don't see how you can say she is hearing things..go back and re-read the thread..and show me where there is any mention of a person from another deluxe using a pool that isn't theirs. I know I can go back and show you where it was pointed out that they were from "lesser" hotels.

But it doesn't really matter - if someone pays extra for something they are entitled to it!

Apparently, it's not coming through loud enough for Disney to hear. You are saying it's an entitlement, not Disney..or at least they don't care enough to make it one. Or they just aren't seeing the problem as you are. Disney seems to be very famous for putting something in writing, and then allowing the hotel/park management to override them. This happens with the pools, the jacuzzi's, the mugs, line jumping, food being brought into the parks, more in a room than allowed, etc. They just don't seem to get their drawers in a bunch over these problems.

I am also actually very surprised that a CM talked to one guest about other guests..mentioning that the luggage is a giveaway. I didn't think CM's were allowed to discuss anything like that with guests. I thought they were suppose to take care of problems themselves, and not make guests aware of that there are any problems. What if a CM said that to a guest, and the guest had her luggage with her. I personally think that CM was very unprofessional.

 

[PatriciaH]

Originally posted by >>^..^<<
Poolhopping

I wonder if some people would stop doing it if it was allowed? Maybe part of the attraction is that it is not allowed - it makes you want it even more.

I wonder what would happen if they permitted poolhopping between the deluxes... pool hopping between the moderates and pool hopping between the values (as I believe they have now?)

You know.. book one resort and you can swim at 4 others... like a advertised perk for you - promoted and encouraged.

The best of both worlds - guests don't feel ripped off because they now have options. They are now really getting more for their money and it's easier for disney to monitor.

It would be better customer service for Disney to offer choices than just say no.

Having said that - I almost pool hopped at GF last year because I had 2 hours to kill while my daughter was on the GF pirate cruise... but now I am glad I didn't - instead I ate and shopped - my other favourite hobbys at Disney!

>>^..^<<

You used to be able to pool hop! It was one of the perks of staying on site. They actualy told you about it when checking in. Then the All Stars were built and they had SO many rooms they did away with pool hopping.

 

[lizmc]

At our delux hotels in Hawaii, they do give out wrist bands at the pool, when you go to get towels they have a computer which shows all the guests of the hotels names -room number-and number of guests in that room. That is how many wrist bands they issue to each room. It is simple and works completely out here. Each day they use a new color, so the guest do not have to wear the wrist bands day and night for the whole stay. Maybe if it is a big problem , disneywill come up with a good solution .With all the incredible rides and such they create there, the pool issue shuld be a breeze for them to work out. do the powers that be at WDW even view pool hopping as a problem?

 

[Hayley]

Originally posted by DMRick
I don't see how you can say she is hearing things..go back and re-read the thread..and show me where there is any mention of a person from another deluxe using a pool that isn't theirs. I know I can go back and show you where it was pointed out that they were from "lesser" hotels.

Well, the delux pools are ususally better - one of the reasons it costs more to stay there.


Apparently, it's not coming through loud enough for Disney to hear. You are saying it's an entitlement, not Disney..

Oh, they say it is....people just don't listen. I don't know, you're saying if they don't have armed guards it's understandable that people take advantage of the rules? It's just a shame that we even are forced to talk about ways to get people to follow the rules -- shouldn't they just want to do what's right?

You know, whatever - I really come off sounding like this is a big problem for me and it isn't. I'm just having fun with this thread. And I'm not shy -- I wouldn't have a problem complaining to the staff if I couldn't find a seat and heard people saying they were staying somewhere else. I see this as a debate about right and wrong, and I guess you and I disagree about what that is! OK - we agree to disagree.

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by Laurajean1014
I do not agree with a wristband. I don't want to look like a refugee when I go to dinner with a neon colored wristband because I stay on WDW property.

VB has a gate access that works extremely well. And I also do not agree with this boards pool hopping. Disney states that if not to capacity, DVC members can pool hop, I agree with that notion. Also, WL's pool is lame, why would anyone want to chance getting kicked out of there. It's one of the worse pools on WDW property.

Laurajean,

that's why i'm suggesting that you can get it replaced by bringing the old one with your current room card to the front desk at any time. I would take mine off for dining at some of the rstaurants as well--just like I took off the SeaBands for formal night on the cruise (and oped that I would be OK for it!)

What I saw at Vero was that the gate was never latched closed, and lots of people "piggybacked " in behind others--they would just wait by the gate until someone opened it, and then go on in.

I don't think anyone is complaining about DVC members being able to poolhop. It's more the day guests and people from other resorts hopping to either a pool close to a park rather than going back to thei resort, or a poo with more amenities than they ahve at their resort.

Anne

 

[luvindisneyworld]

You know this really gets under my skin.everytime this gets brought up on this board about people pool hopping it is ones from the value resorts or off site,how do you know where they are staying?how do you not know they did not ask and get permission?this is not our decision to make.
i have better ways of spending my vacation than worrying about what everyone else is doing.

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by DMRick
I don't see how you can say she is hearing things..go back and re-read the thread..and show me where there is any mention of a person from another deluxe using a pool that isn't theirs. I know I can go back and show you where it was pointed out that they were from "lesser" hotels.





Apparently, it's not coming through loud enough for Disney to hear. You are saying it's an entitlement, not Disney..or at least they don't care enough to make it one. Or they just aren't seeing the problem as you are. Disney seems to be very famous for putting something in writing, and then allowing the hotel/park management to override them. This happens with the pools, the jacuzzi's, the mugs, line jumping, food being brought into the parks, more in a room than allowed, etc. They just don't seem to get their drawers in a bunch over these problems.

I am also actually very surprised that a CM talked to one guest about other guests..mentioning that the luggage is a giveaway. I didn't think CM's were allowed to discuss anything like that with guests. I thought they were suppose to take care of problems themselves, and not make guests aware of that there are any problems. What if a CM said that to a guest, and the guest had her luggage with her. I personally think that CM was very unprofessional.

On another pool hopping thread I posted that there were hoppers from the WL using the Poly pool. So the argument that everyone says it is the AS coming to the deluxes is wrong. Everyone else always tries to make it out to be that the deluxes are complaining about the AS or lesser resorts as you call them. The fact is that there are pool hoppers coming from the deluxes and the mods and values. It doesn't make it right. I do not patrol the pools but if some loud mouth makes it known that they are there and aren't supposed to be then I will certainly alert the lifeguard. I only wish I did it to the people that were at the Poly when they shouldn't have been. And yes I knew they didn't ask permission because the woman told me that they were sneaking over there since the Poly has a better pool! And this was during low season. I can only imagine how many do it during busy season. Personally I don't care if there is one or one hundred hoppers. If they don't have permission to be there and if they did not pay to be there, and yes I said PAY, then they don't belong there. Hopefully Disney will do something to stop it and if more complain and report the trash that hops over knowingly, the quicker it will happen.

 

[JOC]

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Hayley
Sorry, but you're hearing things!

Hardly...it's much easier to spot that attitude than it is to spend hours watching the comings and goings of people at the pool. I'll admit, this thread is taking a little longer than some have to spell it out where it can't possibly be missed, but it's getting there....Especially when the pool hoppers are referred to as "trash". It's real hard to miss that meaning.


If it were a problem, more people would complain. If they got enough complaints, they'd fix it. Apparently it's not a big problem and I don't think Disney gives a whit if the complaint is that someone got something they weren't entitled to.


Good heavens! Take a look at the suggestions made just to stop a few errant pool hoppers.

Build fences around the pools...keeps the bums out, but ruins the view
Install lock gates....won't work..the bums will just slide in behind the entitled
Force guests to wear color coded bracelets during their entire vacation or make a trip to the desk every time they want to go to the pool.....
Charge fees for those lost bracelets...
Charge fees to cover the cost of increase security...

All so that I can sit back in my lounge chair and feel secure in the knowledge that all the "locals", "offsiters", and "low end" resort guests aren't getting any of my entitlements.

Sounds like a plan to me!

 

[DMRick]

On another pool hopping thread I posted that there were hoppers from the WL using the Poly pool. So the argument that everyone says it is the AS coming to the deluxes is wrong.

I agree, that on the "other" thread, when it was mentioned then, that it's not just the value or campground resort people (by those of us who resented that), you mentioned the poly pool. But if you read this thread and the other threads...that's not what the norm was. If I quote what was said in the other closed threads, about how you tell where the people were from, which made so many people upset, this one would then be closed.
Believe me..if the people who object, didn't often try to "blame" the pool hopping on a certain population, I wouldn't even have a problem with this thread. I'm as against pool hopping (that would be using a pool at a resort you are not staying in, without permission) as you are.

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Hardly...it's much easier to spot that attitude than it is to spend hours watching the comings and goings of people at the pool. I'll admit, this thread is taking a little longer than some have to spell it out where it can't possibly be missed, but it's getting there....Especially when the pool hoppers are referred to as "trash". It's real hard to miss that meaning.


If it were a problem, more people would complain. If they got enough complaints, they'd fix it. Apparently it's not a big problem and I don't think Disney gives a whit if the complaint is that someone got something they weren't entitled to.


Good heavens! Take a look at the suggestions made just to stop a few errant pool hoppers.

Build fences around the pools...keeps the bums out, but ruins the view
Install lock gates....won't work..the bums will just slide in behind the entitled
Force guests to wear color coded bracelets during their entire vacation or make a trip to the desk every time they want to go to the pool.....
Charge fees for those lost bracelets...
Charge fees to cover the cost of increase security...

All so that I can sit back in my lounge chair and feel secure in the knowledge that all the "locals", "offsiters", and "low end" resort guests aren't getting any of my entitlements.

Sounds like a plan to me!

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I referred to someone that knowingly goes against rules and does not seek permission as "trash". So what? Do you have a polite word to call these inconsiderate people? I do but I cannot say it on the Dis! Did I infer anything about the pool hoppers I call trash as coming from the "lesser" resorts? No I did not. I made sure to point out that the one I saw was from the WL. So that should cut off any future argument that I inferred that the "lesser", as someone else enjoys calling them, resorts were trash. Heaven knows every time there is a pool hopping thread everyone comes out to bash the anti hoppers and makes it sound like we are against the values and mods which we are not. I do believe that the only ones ENTITLED to use the resort pool is the one PAYING for THAT resort. It's funny that so many argue over rule breaking but swear they would never do it. WDW has a written rule at the Poly for ALLto see. It clearly states that the pool is for guests of the Poly resort. I'll be sure to be alert for any trash that blows over from the GF or any other place and dares to pool hop in my presense while sipping my lava flow.