WL - pool crashing problem

[DMRick]

Hayley wrote:

I see this as a debate about right and wrong, and I guess you and I disagree about what that is!

Now you really are making this personal..and not about pool hopping. How DARE you insinuate I don't know right from wrong. Have you ever met me, talked to me..or do you assume that I only stay at values, so I must be a bad person (by the way, I've stayed at several places at Disney and like them all..including the stars..we get to come often since we retired many years before others usually do).

I full well know the difference between right and wrong, and I also know not to judge people without even knowing them. I answer to Someone much bigger than you, and have always been honest. Also, I don't have to get my way by putting down another person. Oh..and and I have never pool hopped. I agree it is wrong. I am just saying that Disney does not see it as a problem, like some of the people on this thread have.


skiwee1 wrote:

every time there is a pool hopping thread everyone comes out to bash the anti hoppers

I'm against pool hopping..so I guess that makes me anti hopper. So far everyone who has posted on this thread is. Some of us just happen to believe, if the owner of the pool doesn't see it as a problem, than until they do they won't do anything about it...just like many other "rules" they have left up to management. A lot of the comments (yes, out of all of these threads 2 did mention people other than the values or campground) are imo demeaning when people start saying they know where the hoppers are from..they can tell people are hoppers because they have backpacks, or have come off a boat, or in another thread, commented on their bathign suits. That's the part that angers people. Don't you see that? Where does it say anyone feels it's ok to use what doesn't belong to you.

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by DMRick
Now you really are making this personal..and not about pool hopping. How DARE you insinuate I don't know right from wrong. Have you ever met me, talked to me..or do you assume that I only stay at values, so I must be a bad person (by the way, I've stayed at several places at Disney and like them all..including the stars..we get to come often since we retired many years before others usually do).

I full well know the difference between right and wrong, and I also know not to judge people without even knowing them. I answer to Someone much bigger than you, and have always been honest. Also, I don't have to get my way by putting down another person. Oh..and and I have never pool hopped. I agree it is wrong. I am just saying that Disney does not see it as a problem, like some of the people on this thread have.




I'm against pool hopping..so I guess that makes me anti hopper. So far everyone who has posted on this thread is. Some of us just happen to believe, if the owner of the pool doesn't see it as a problem, than until they do they won't do anything about it...just like many other "rules" they have left up to management. A lot of the comments (yes, out of all of these threads 2 did mention people other than the values or campground) are imo demeaning when people start saying they know where the hoppers are from..they can tell people are hoppers because they have backpacks, or have come off a boat, or in another thread, commented on their bathign suits. That's the part that angers people. Don't you see that? Where does it say anyone feels it's ok to use what doesn't belong to you.

Just wanted to pipe in that you quoted two different posters in one post. I am the one that said something about bashing anti hoppers but wasn't referring to you, just in general. I am not the one that said you don't know right from wrong. That would be someone else!

 

[DMRick]

I am not the one that said you don't know right from wrong.

Thanks for pointing that out. I separated the quotes, but should have used names. I guess I was so shocked that someone made such a personal attack on me, that I wasn't thinking.
Doris

 

[LvsTnk]

Originally posted by Hayley
Sorry, but you're hearing things!

But it doesn't really matter - if someone pays extra for something they are <i>entitled</i> to it!

I don't care if it's the Queen of England - if she's not paying to stay at the Polynesian, she can get her royal keister out of <i>my</i> pool chair!

(no offense meant to our DIS friends from the UK!)

ROFL!!!

 

[gepetto]

Poolhopping...another example of the ME ME ME entitlement attitude. Everyone wants/expects a free upgrade, 50% off resort rate discount, free birthday cake with noisemakers and balloons, and a mug that they can refill with free soda for the rest of their lives.

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by gepetto
Poolhopping...another example of the ME ME ME entitlement attitude. Everyone wants/expects a free upgrade, 50% off resort rate discount, free birthday cake with noisemakers and balloons, and a mug that they can refill with free soda for the rest of their lives.

You've mentioned things that were not paid for but expected for free. When one stays at a resort they do indeed pay for the use of the amenities at that resort. Therefore the ones that have the ME ME ME entitlement attitude would be the pool hoppers since they are not paying to stay at the resort they hop at. I take it that is what you meant? Just wanted to be sure as some seem to think the entitlement people are the actual ones that pay for the use of the pool and have the right to expect other guests to do the same.

 

[gepetto]

Originally posted by skiwee1
Therefore the ones that have the ME ME ME entitlement attitude would be the pool hoppers since they are not paying to stay at the resort they hop at. I take it that is what you meant?

Yep. That's what I meant. The something-for-nothing crowd.

 

[maryliz]

I'm with DMRick ... I haven't seen one single post on this very long thread from a person who thinks pool hopping is OK to do. Most of us don't agree with it, most of us don't do it. But yet again, for what, the 4th time in about 2 weeks, it becomes a debate between those who have the "gift" of being able to recognize crashers and feel the urgent need to "turn them in", and those of us that really don't care if it isn't affecting us. And for those looking for a chair, no one said I couldn't sit beside a pool and enjoy a nice pricey drink from the bar. If Disney starts putting up fences, I'll be looking elsewhere to stay. And I've posted before that if they think for one second I am bringing all of my resort ID's to the pool for someone to find and charge on it, I'll find somewhere else to stay. For those of you who think you haven't made snobbish remarks, go back and read your posts ... or better still, show them to a co-worker and see if they think you're being a snob. I know I'm not hearing things, nor am I reading between the lines ... it's all here in black and white. I think the next time I'm at AKL, I'm going to bring my backpack to the pool just to see if the police are out in full force that day

Let's all play nice and dream about our next WDW vacation shall we???

Mary Liz

 

[gepetto]

Originally posted by maryliz


Let's all play nice and dream about our next WDW vacation shall we???

Mary Liz

According to your countdown calendar, you're at CBR enjoying yourself right now.

 

[Fantasia Sam]

I have just had myself an interesting debate on this same subject on another board - I hope it's OK to post this link mods, otherwise please delete. You have to read down a bit in the thread to get the scam
Another Pool Debate

Pool Hopping

Well the fact that I have gone so far as to link another thread means that yes I have the time to post my thoughts on this topic as they trouble me and I don't think this is trivial IMHO

When I stayed recently at The Grand Californian at Disneyland the pool was fenced (but you didn't notice it so I didn't feel like I was in a pen or anything) and you had to use your room card to get into the pool and since reading this thread and the linked thread above I have come to the conclusion that this would be a good idea.

Disney's take is obviously that they don't want you hopping as another poster has already said that it states in the rooms that the "pools are for those resort guests only" but they only explicitly police this at Stormalong Bay where you have to have a wristband and show resort or DVC I.D.

I don't pool-hop (of course I don't otherwise I wouldn't be on this thread, right?) and I don't condone it. I have never seen it with my own eyes only heard of people who have done it. I do believe that some people do think it's OK (see previous thread via link above) to pool-hop because there is nothing to deter them from doing this - except at SAB as previously mentioned.

I certainly wouldn't be happy if I had decided to stay at a hotel for certain facilities only to find that I couldn't use them because some non-residents were taking up all the facilities - but it hasn't happened to me yet.

Finally when I first saw the AKL I wanted to stay there and I wanted to swim in the AKL pool and I had to save hard to make that dream come true and I think if others want to swim in that pool then they should shell out the cash too.

 

[epcotfan]

Pool hopping it the ultimate entitlement mentality. If you want the nicer pool and other extras - pay for them. Simple as that! Someone who hasn’t paid for these amenities comes along and uses them for free getting something for nothing. How is that not stealing? I understand why people get upset about this.
When you’ve paid money to stay at a resort with these features you expect them to be available and exclusive for your use (for your length of stay). I don’t always get a patio at WDW but I certainly wouldn’t expect to use someone else’s just because I didn’t feel like paying for one. It is frustrating when you scrimp and save to find people using the facilities for free that you’ve paid for in your room rate.

When I was last at the Beach Club they issued wrist bands. They certainly didn’t cut off my circulation or ruin my tan lines. When I was done with the pool I simply cut it off.

 

[Hayley]

Originally posted by DMRick

Now you really are making this personal..and not about pool hopping. How DARE you insinuate I don't know right from wrong. Have you ever met me, talked to me..or do you assume that I only stay at values, so I must be a bad person (by the way, I've stayed at several places at Disney and like them all..including the stars..we get to come often since we retired many years before others usually do).

I wasn't going to post again, but I must say that, if you go back and actually read what I posted, I, in <b>no</b> way said you didn't know right and wrong - I said we disagree about it. People do that all the time on these boards. I meant that I guess we weren't going to agree and these aren't the debate boards so I wanted to stop arguing.

If I was going to be as sensitive about remarks, I'd be thinking that you have been making fun of me and others like me for being picky about rules and that you'd been calling us elitists - but I don't choose to do anything but see this as a difference of opinion.

I have offended you and I apologize, but it wasn't my intention to do anything except discuss our differences of opinion.

 

[lizzie64]

I was not going to post another response on this thread, but ......


Imagine my surprise, to be told I needed to "get a life", simply because I posted that at several other top resorts we've stayed at, they issue pool wristbands at check in.

I was simply stating that the practice of wristbands is used by many resort areas. I guess pool hopping isn't limited to only Disney resorts.

Where we've stayed there are also different accomodations. Those that stay in the towers have a pool dedicated strictly to them. So, if you stay in the towers, you are assigned a wristband. No wristband, no tower pool. It really is simple.

These resorts have never had a problem with guests complaining about having to wear one. It is simply their policy that you do.

NOW - THAT BEING SAID

I too do not condone pool hopping. I have not been affected by it. Now would I ever do it. I personally think its not worth the effort.

Oh and as far as going out to dinner with these tags on and looking like a prisoner - everyone else is wearing the tags too, so we all look like prisoners out for a nice dinner.

 

[susy]

I didn't read every page, but wanted to say something about a topic mentioned early on.... fences. In FL there are MANY child drownings per year- I don't know the figures, but it is high. All Apt complexes, condos and most homeonwers have their pools (not just the yard) fenced in. There are always stories about little kids who get up during the night (one even crawled out of the crib and had never done it before) and are found in the pool the next morning. Forget the pools- all the bodies of water that are around the resorts! This past Christmas Eve a young teenage boy who was mentally challenged was missing. There were many lakes near the home and a huge search party was sent out-he was found Christmas morning in the lake.

Most recently....two months ago a 4yo girl who attended my Ds' school drowned near her family's houseboat. Her mom is a teacher at the school, also. It has been hard on everyone . The father was sent to jail ( could get 15 years) for child endangerment and the mom is pregnant. Little kids and water don't mix.

Sorry to bring up such a morbid topic, but there is water everywhere in FL. Please don't let little ones out of your sight at the resorts and put those door latches on at night.

 

[seashoreCM]

How about this?

No fences or wristbands but,

If the pool is crowded, a large contingent of CM's may show up every now and then and do a "rollcall". That means everybody gets out of the pool and lines up to show ID. Resort guests may simply show room cards. Anyone without a room card must show some other form of ID which is recorded. Those with alternate ID or different resort ID are advised that "During crowded times, guests at this resort have priority" and told to depart. Those with no ID at all or who are repeat offenders or who flee are subject to arrest for trespassing.

After rollcall, the contingent piles on board a bus and heads to another resort.

Rollcall might alternatively be done only on demand based on a number of requests by resort guests who swipe their room cards through a machine similar to a FastPass machine after seeing the pool area crowded.

Children need to be taught to wear wristbands. Throwing a tantrum and tearing it off may have disastrous consequences at such times as Mickey's Christmas Party.

 

[LvsTnk]

Back to the original poster.......

Interesting information the CM passed along, since they are becomming more aware of the problem hopefully it will be taken care of soon.

Glad you posted!

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by maryliz
I'm with DMRick ... I haven't seen one single post on this very long thread from a person who thinks pool hopping is OK to do. Most of us don't agree with it, most of us don't do it. But yet again, for what, the 4th time in about 2 weeks, it becomes a debate between those who have the "gift" of being able to recognize crashers and feel the urgent need to "turn them in", and those of us that really don't care if it isn't affecting us.

And for those that don't care, that's fine, but they shouldn't BASH those that do! This thread had been very constructive in the beginning, and then the bashing began.

And for those looking for a chair, no one said I couldn't sit beside a pool and enjoy a nice pricey drink from the bar.

At SAB, there is already a fence, and the bar is on the outside, and regardless of what you are drinking from the bar, you still can't get to the pool and sit down with your "nice pricey drink" unless you are a YC/BC/BCV guest.

If Disney starts putting up fences, I'll be looking elsewhere to stay.

I'd like to point out that there's already a permanent fence at SAB, and a temporary fence goes up at the BW during busier seasons. If I'm not mistaken there's also a fence around the themed pool at the GF, if it's not "fenced" it's limited access just by the very nature of the landscaping design. My guess is that we see a fence at the Poly and WL theme pools before the middle of this decade. They won't fence the AKL pool, because they could easily limit access to it by the way it's built "into the building" so to speak.

And I've posted before that if they think for one second I am bringing all of my resort ID's to the pool for someone to find and charge on it, I'll find somewhere else to stay.

You obviously haven't stayed at the BW/BC/YC, because you need your room key there. Plus it's been my experience that they have been VERY conscious of checking signatures on the back of cards in the past year or so, so that's not going to be a problem.

Personally I think that there are some pool hoppers from every resort. I think that the farther a resort is from the theme parks, the more likely the guests of that resort are to hop to a close to a theme park resort for an afternoon dip. However, I'd guess that a good half or more on any given day are not even WDW resort guests. This is why the pools a the Poly, the BW, and WL are so popular with hoppers. I wouldn't be suprised if CS gets it's share as well as they are fairly close to the AK, and have a beautiful and large pool. I'm also sure that the "design" of the pool has some bearing as well...the "nicer" it is, the more it will attract hoppers. I'm also sure that even some people who stay at deluxe resorts hop to other resorts to use the pools for a change of pace, and in some cases, a nicer pool.

One of my biggest concerns with pool hopping is simply put, liability. As a DVC owner at two DVC resorts, I am very concerned that my dues will rise because of a lawsuit instituted by someone who had an accident at a pool that they shouldn't have even been at to begin with. Disney has been the defendent in thousands of lawsuits, many frivilous and unfounded by people who felt that Disney had deep pockets, so they could "set them up" to get some cash. I'm not making this up, it's well documented.

But someone has to pay for legal defence costs, even on a frivilous lawsuit which ultimately is dismissed. And if a claim is paid, it's only going to raise the costs for insurance cover. And the people who will pay for these costs is you and I, the paying guests or DVC owners.

Another poster brought up the idea of being able to hop between pools of the same "level" of resorts. I've sugested this before, and think that other than during peak times, it's not a bad idea. But if it's allowed, it has to be enforced.

I think part of the problem is the frustration that people feel when WDW sets rules, puts them in writing, and then doesn't enforce them. I think that many of us have felt the frustration of going to the pool at our resort, not being able to find a chair, and then overhearing people's conversations that let us know those people were not guests of the resort. Even if those were the only pool hoppers, they were enough that would have freed up a chair for the resort guest who couldn't find one to use.

I've read a lot of posts claiming that there isn't a problem with pool hopping. Perhaps the poster just hasn't been aware of it because they've never been affected by it. But there's obviously many of us that have. This is not just one individual coming on to these boards and posting that they ahd a problem. This has been an ongoing, pervasive problem for years. If there hadn't been a problem, they wouldn't have fenced off SAB, nor would they have added a fence at the BW pool.

Sooner or later WDW will have to do something about it, if no where else than at the DVC resorts, because they have to listen to owners concerns, and one of the ones I hear over and over is pool hoppers. The problem is that when they start enforcing their written rules at the DVC resorts, it's going to cause that many more problems at the Polynesian and other non-DVC resorts, so the complaints will rise there, which will eventually force them to take action on those pools as well.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by lizzie64
Oh and as far as going out to dinner with these tags on and looking like a prisoner - everyone else is wearing the tags too, so we all look like prisoners out for a nice dinner.

LOL! Yup! Or a mental patient on a weekend pass

Anne

 

[DMRick]

Hayley wrote:

I said we disagree about it.

what you said was:

I see this as a debate about right and wrong, and I guess you and I disagree about what that is!

And since I know it's wrong to pool hop, it appears you are saying you and I disagree about right and wrong. After all I know it's not alright to pool hop..so we aren't disagreeing abotu that.

Is anyone even reading what people are writing? One more time...it's not about if people think pool hoping is right...EVERYONE agrees it isn't. The "bashing" (other poples words, not mine, since I"m feeling like the bashee right now) being mentioned, is because a lot of people on these threads keep inferring it's people from the values, and campground (yes, exceptions are now being made to other resorts) who are the pool hoppers. Same on the other threads on this subject..they say they can "tell" by the way they look, or what they carry. That's the part that is not liked. The judgement call made by people who really have no idea (unless they actually hear someone..and yes, now some of you are saying you heard them..that's different) if the person is a pool crasher or another guest.

 

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Originally posted by ducklite
LOL! Yup! Or a mental patient on a weekend pass

Anne

Or even better the wristbands can be like a status symbol..."Look where I'm staying - don't you wish you could swim there"? LOL

Forget Gucci !!

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