WL - pool crashing problem

[lizzie64]

Originally posted by >>^..^<<
Or even better the wristbands can be like a status symbol..."Look where I'm staying - don't you wish you could swim there"? LOL

Forget Gucci !!

>>^..^<<

Cassie,

You're hysterical!!! Too funny.

I hope people will understand that's a joke!! Don't want you to get bashed.

 

[ducklite]

DM RIck,

I've given two specific instances in past threads where I was unable to get a pool chair, and then heard people talking, saying specifically that they were staying at another resort, and which resort it was that they were staying at. One time it was off-site, another it was the All Stars. One time it was overheard while sitting with the same people in the hot tub (hard to NOT hear what they are saying, and certainly not what I would call "eavesdropping".) Another time it was people in line right in front of me at the snack bar, again hard to not hear. And yes, I'm sure they were swimming, they were wet and in bathing suits! I can't help it taht in my two cases, the people weren't from a deluxe resort. if they were, I would have said so.

I don't care where they are staying, it's not right that they are infringing on my enjoyment of the facilities I'm paying to stay at. I would have been just as upset if they had been staying at the GF! Because of the proximately of certain pools to certain theme parks, some are just more popular than others for pool hopping. It just so happens that all of the resorts close to the theme parks are deluxe resorts...although as I pointed out a few minutes ago in this thread, I have a feeling that the CSR resort could also have a lot of hoppers on any given day. If the All Stars were close to the MK, then they would probably have problems as well, alhtougha s I stated earlier, I also think that the theming of teh pool and it's amenities have a lot to do with the attraction to the pool by non-guests. This is perhaps why there isn't as big of a problem at the CR.

Again, I also have concerns over liability issues.

Anne

 

[LvsTnk]

Excuse me but when I posted that someone told me where they were staying I was telling the truth, and it has happened more than once..........now who's bashing!!

It is not nice to say that people are lying on this thread

 

[DMRick]

Excuse me but when I posted that someone told me where they were staying I was telling the truth, and it has happened more than once..........now who's bashing!!

I didn't see where anyone said you are lying. I assume this was for someone other than me? I specifically said:

(unless they actually hear someone..and yes, now some of you are saying you heard them..that's different)

I agree that if you hear someone saying that they are pool hopping, then yes, you know they are pool hopping. I've posted in the past, that I have talked with someone who admitted they were hopping. It's when someone says they can tell by "looking" at them..they have backpacks, they are coming from the boats, etc. that I think people get upset. On the three threads on this subject, it was all about being able to "tell" where someone was from..which was pretty much what shut them down. This particular thread seems to finally be admitting that people may be from other resorts. For me, and others, that was the issue I wasn't happy with. No one should be pool hopping, and if they are, I believe that there are people who either don't know better, or who don't care from all walks of life...not just the value resorts.
Doris

 

[LvsTnk]

Originally posted by DMRick
I didn't see where anyone said you are lying. I assume this was for someone other than me? I specifically said:



I agree that if you hear someone saying that they are pool hopping, then yes, you know they are pool hopping. I've posted in the past, that I have talked with someone who admitted they were hopping. It's when someone says they can tell by "looking" at them..they have backpacks, they are coming from the boats, etc. that I think people get upset. On the three threads on this subject, it was all about being able to "tell" where someone was from..which was pretty much what shut them down. This particular thread seems to finally be admitting that people may be from other resorts. For me, and others, that was the issue I wasn't happy with. No one should be pool hopping, and if they are, I believe that there are people who either don't know better, or who don't care from all walks of life...not just the value resorts.
Doris

Yes, I was talking about you, and the original poster said that is what a CM told her as well. I also believe you were saying that now All Of A Sudden people are saying that people said what resort they were from. It is not hard to get the just of what you are saying at all. So, you are not being very nice either

 

[ducklite]

DM Rick--

One way that you can "usually" tell that someone is from a different resort just by looking is when they are carrying the refillable mugs from a different resort.

Now I'll admit that this isn't "foolproof", but thinking about it logically, the chances are extremely high that these folks ARE from the resort that the mugs are from.

Not trying to argue, just pointing out that sometimes there are pretty good clues as to where someone is staying.

I do agree that without a very obvious visual clue like that you normally can't tell just on visual inspection. Remember, I'm the one that saw the "Beverly Hillbillies" checking in at the GF. They were literally in overalls and flannel shirts (not that there is a problem with that in itself, please read on before flaming!), very unkempt and even "dirty", and had some severe dental problems (I'll leave it at that). They reminded me of Ted Kysinski (sp) after they pulled him out of the woods. Not what I would expect to see checking in at ANY hotel--even the "Gator Inn" down on 192 East.

Anne

 

[d-r]

"The fact is that there are pool hoppers coming from the deluxes and the mods and values. "

It is also the case that sometimes some local folks will put the kids in the car and go crash the pools at the disney hotels.

Free entertainment, why not.

DR

 

[renessa]

I am just wondering if anyone has sent a link to this thread (now on page 9!) to the powers that be. Give me an email address and I'll send them a link. It does no good debating a problem without involving Disney. If nothing else, Eisner may have a few laughs. Renessa

Former pool hopper (back when it was allowed).
Would pool hop again if it was allowed.
Doesn't pool hop now.

 

[MELSMICE]

Originally posted by ducklite
You obviously haven't stayed at the BW/BC/YC, because you need your room key there.

Yes, you do need your room key, however, let me tell you what happened with us this past Nov.

We were staying at the BC - it was a surprise for our 3 DD's, because they have always wanted to swim in SAB. My parents, who had recently relocated to FLA, were also surprising my 3 DD's & meeting us at Disney. Well, they called & were running ahead of schedule & said they would meet us at BC instead of later in the day.

My DD's were in the pool & when they spotted my parents walking down the "pool walkway" they jumped out of the pool & immediately ran up to them & showered them with hugs. The person administering the wrist bands gave my parents wrist bands with no questions asked - they didn't have to show ID or anything.

In addition, my cousin & husband were at WDW at the same time, staying at CR & VWL (cash ressie). They said they probably wouldn't be able to meet up with us. Lo & behold as we're sitting at the pool I see them through the glass walking through the BC. I got up, walked up the pool walkway to meet them & once again the "pool guard" gave them wrist bands with no questions asked.

Also, when we originally entered SAB I only showed one ID for my entire family of 5.

My point is that the CM was not enforcing the Disney policy. I am sure that CM's are told to use "their own judgment" at times when making a determination about who should be allowed or not allowed. We did not use extra chairs because my "guests" used my DD's chairs & we had an extra one that I was using as a foot rest (oh no - a whole new topic - but I don't like lounge chairs).

It looks like sometimes the rules are broken or bent a little bit. To anyone that may have been there - thank you for not reporting my "pool hopping family". My DD's would have been crushed & would have had a hard time deciding whether to stay at SAB or leave with their grandparents.

Okay - I'm done - bring on the whips, chains & clubs. I can handle it.

 

[DMRick]

It is not hard to get the just of what you are saying at all. So, you are not being very nice either

Well, you are incorrect. I have been very nice, IMO. I haven't bashed anyone, said anything about how they spend their money, their time watching, etc. I don't care if people watch to see if others are in their pool. Pool hopping is wrong, and if someone wants to report them..then so what. I don't bother to watch or report, since I really haven't seen it as a problem, but I don't care if others do.

I was saying just what I said. What I do care about. Most of us have been on all three threads, and I'm not bothered by the people who said they overheard people talking...just as I stated. The problem is not about people who heard other people saying that they pool hopped. And most of this thread was not either (you'll see I didn't jump in when the OP posted..if she said (and it was so long ago, I don't really remember what she said)....it took me some time to post to this thread, and it wasn't until people started making assumptions about what the people looked like, and how you can tell they aren't from the hotel where the pool is located). So you may want to go re-read what I typed...you might read it a little different and see that I was not calling you or others liars..I was saying that it's different if you actually hear them admit they pool hop.

The mug theory is the first time I remember hearing that..and yes, I might make that assumption too, Ducklite..but then I might again be proven wrong..and they may just use their old mugs to keep their drinks cold.

 

[maryliz]

Ducklite:

My frustration lies in the comments made about "just where these pool-hoppers come from". And I think words like "trash" are offensive (and no, I am not saying that YOU used that phrase ... I'm using it as an example to show why some of us are offended). However, I was more offended by your condescending "you obviously haven't stayed at" comments ... after 21 trips to WDW, I think I certainly know that SAB has a fence. I was not referring to the one or two pools on site where there is a fence: where I would NOT be able to sit by the pool with a drink, and where I would be forced to bring all of my room keys with me. Majority do not have these requirements, and that's why I choose to stay at and visit the resorts I do. And if they all start these types of policies in future, like I said, I will find somewhere else to stay.

Everyone will deal with frustrating situations in their own way ... that's why life and people in general are so interesting. I don't care if people are creative about what they would and wouldn't do ... their business. I found the whole thread last night as I read it quite amusing, which is the point of these boards, isn't it? If I didn't find it funny, I would have left it at about page 2. However, the tone of this thread changed to "bashing" when some posters saw fit to generalize just "who and where" these pool-hoppers were from, and I was just pointing out that the same posters have been saying the same things on different threads over the last few weeks. We are all frustrated by different things, and deal with them in different ways. I just feel bad when "offenders" are categorized by where they stay, how they dress, the fact that they carry a backpack, etc.

Hey Gepetto ... No, I'm not at WDW right now. I've just been too lazy to go in and change my countdown timer! LOL


Mary Liz

 

[phorsenuf]

Originally posted by ducklite
DM Rick--

One way that you can "usually" tell that someone is from a different resort just by looking is when they are carrying the refillable mugs from a different resort.

Now I'll admit that this isn't "foolproof", but thinking about it logically, the chances are extremely high that these folks ARE from the resort that the mugs are from.

Not trying to argue, just pointing out that sometimes there are pretty good clues as to where someone is staying.

I do agree that without a very obvious visual clue like that you normally can't tell just on visual inspection. Remember, I'm the one that saw the "Beverly Hillbillies" checking in at the GF. They were literally in overalls and flannel shirts (not that there is a problem with that in itself, please read on before flaming!), very unkempt and even "dirty", and had some severe dental problems (I'll leave it at that). They reminded me of Ted Kysinski (sp) after they pulled him out of the woods. Not what I would expect to see checking in at ANY hotel--even the "Gator Inn" down on 192 East.

Anne

I think the root of the problem is not pool hopping, but judging a book by it's cover or based on circumstance. So you see these dirty, toothless "hillbillies" at the GF pool in their goodwill bathing suits splashing around in the water getting the dirt off. Truthfully, what are you thinking? These are actual guests, maybe even concierge level or are they crashing the pool from MK because they don't feel like going back to the Gator Inn?
I think this is where the thread went, because to me everyone seems in agreement that pool hopping is wrong. Like I said earlier, maybe the people that come off the boat bring their stuff with them so they don't have to go back to their rooms just to take an afternoon break. Maybe they checked out the next morning and that's why they weren't seen again. The possibilities could go on and on. It's making assumptions that seems to be the problem.
In my opinion, if you know for a fact beacuse you heard people talking they aren't from that resort, and it bothers you so much, then tell someone! Tell a CM or politly tell the people yourself that what they are doing is not allowed. Seems like a simple solution to me than just keeping the frustration bottled up and releasing it after you get home when nothing can be done. It's like th old adage, nip it in the bud. Then we don't have to be fenced in or "branded"

 

[goofy4tink]

While at POR on our last trip, we overheard one family say they would have to stay here the next trip. The pool was much better than at the AllStars!! Now, for our coming up trip, we were going to cut corners and stay at an AllStars but dd, 9, really wanted a pool slide. So, we've booked WL. Am I going to obsess over who is a guest and who isn't?? No, probably not. But it will be somewhat annoying if I can't find a spot to sit at the pool and I start hearing comments from non-resort guests!!! I made the choice to spend more (quite a bit more!!) in order to have the facilities that we would enjoy. I resent it if someone pays a lot less and then comes over and uses something they are not entitled to. I watched someone at a DisneyOnIce show last month do this. They were seated in an upper section. I know this because we had to pass them several times to get to food and restrooms. At the intermission, where did they end up??? Yup, right in the front row, where there were empty seats. And no, I didn't say anything. But that didn't make it right.
Now, I'm going back to sitting on my hands!!!

 

[MELSMICE]

One way that you can "usually" tell that someone is from a different resort just by looking is when they are carrying the refillable mugs from a different resort.

You can't be so sure of that. My parents stayed at the AS in Dec. 2001. My dad still brings his refillable mug everywhere to pour his own beverages in. He likes it because it keeps his drinks cold. He used it at the CR last year & I'm sure he'll have it when we meet up with them in a few days at the CR once again. He does not have it refilled "for free" like he did when he purchased it at the AS, he just likes to use it.

I am sure some people will assume he is staying at the AS & hopping to our pool to visit us. However, that is not the case. That being said, I would never assume something about someone else.

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

 

[tonyk]

I would dare to say that everyone so far believes poolhopping is "wrong", but vary greatly in how much of a "problem" it is to them. You can tolerate it? Good for you. But I would also dare to say that I could find something similar that you WOULD think is a problem to you.
How about golfers? You paid to be on the course, but here come some course-hoppers; freeloaders who are making your game slower and taking up room on a course you paid good money for.
Or how about a parking lot or garage that you pay a fee for. Would you care if it was full because of freeloaders?

My point is that I bet I could find a pet peeve of yours in the same category as poolhopping, but I wouldn't waste my time posting to tell you to lighten up.

 

[maryliz]

The issue here is not whether we agree with pool-hopping ... no one does. And a person certainly has the right to be "bugged" by it, and the right to do something about it, if they know it to be a FACT. Where this got ugly is the nasty comments about those who were PERCEIVED to be doing it -- NOT the ones who admitted to it. I still contend that comments about someone's attire or appearance are just disgusting and don't belong here. Many wealthy, well-dressed people in this world do things they shouldn't -- I don't think someone's dental hygiene, or their Goodwill bathing suit are grounds to judge someone.

I'm not finding this post amusing anymore ... just sad IMHO

Mary Liz

 

[phorsenuf]

Originally posted by maryliz
I don't think someone's dental hygiene, or their Goodwill bathing suit are grounds to judge someone.

Mary Liz

That was my point exactly!!!

 

[pouncingpluto]

>> I watched someone at a DisneyOnIce show last month do this. They were seated in an upper section. I know this because we had to pass them several times to get to food and restrooms. At the intermission, where did they end up??? Yup, right in the front row, where there were empty seats. And no, I didn't say anything. But that didn't make it right.
Now, I'm going back to sitting on my hands!!! <<

Ok, I've done this a million times at gymnastics meets. Not because I had bought cheap seats (which I never do, because if I'm going to a meet I want to be able to see the athletes, not have to watch them on the big screen), but because even in the lower section there's luck of the draw as to where you end up. If there is a better seat that is empty, I'm going to move there.

I don't see how that would infringe on your enjoyment in any way. I think that's completely different than the pool hopping debate, in which what's being discussed does actually take away from the enjoyment of hotel guests who can't find chairs.

 

[MELSMICE]

Originally posted by maryliz
I still contend that comments about someone's attire or appearance are just disgusting and don't belong here.

I completely agree. I have seen similiar posts by some of the same posters on other threads & I find them completely uncalled for.

The OP posted about pool hopping, nothing else.

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by MELSMICE
One way that you can "usually" tell that someone is from a different resort just by looking is when they are carrying the refillable mugs from a different resort.

You can't be so sure of that. My parents stayed at the AS in Dec. 2001. My dad still brings his refillable mug everywhere to pour his own beverages in. He likes it because it keeps his drinks cold. He used it at the CR last year & I'm sure he'll have it when we meet up with them in a few days at the CR once again. He does not have it refilled "for free" like he did when he purchased it at the AS, he just likes to use it.

I am sure some people will assume he is staying at the AS & hopping to our pool to visit us. However, that is not the case. That being said, I would never assume something about someone else.

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

And that's why I said USUALLY!!! I also said it's not foolproof. Please stop insinuating that I am saying something I am not. There are certainly exceptions, your example being one of them. But my guess is that 99% of people carrying refillable mugs are carrying them for the resort they are currently staying at.

Anne