Well, it's happening, can't get VWL or BCV at 7month window, and I own at both!!!!!

[MissD]

Again, if folks use their priority window and own at the resort they want to stay at the most, there should be no problem...except for the other folks that own at that resort. It is the way DVC has always worked...VWL, the smallest resort, has always been "iffy" at the 7 month window. As DVC membership grows, smaller resorts will book first. Heck, I was shut of a studio at my home resort (OKW) at 5 months today, so OKW and larger resorts aren't the easiest to book, either.

But, as other posters have reported, some resorts are filling up during the priority window...so maybe it is the BCV and BWV owners that are throwing the system off by booking multiples and renting. You can't blame the larger resorts for that, or the increased membership, you can blame your fellow somewhat "greedy" and inconsiderate owners, as well as kicking yourselves for not booking earlier.

Very well put.

 

[DisneyMomOfThree]

Could it also be BCV owners booking multiple reservations during the priority window? I certainly wouldn't blame the lack of availability solely on the owners at SSR. Some folks book multiple stays at their home resort and cancel at the last minute, or rent them out.

SSR bashing is unproductive, and frankly, tiresome.

Well said.

 

[sigillaria]

Did you actually read the entire thread before putting your two cents in? Just wondering.....

No, I did not. I thought I was at the last page and I was in the front...ooops.
I apologize to TeresaNJ.

 

[tomandrobin]

I think some people are upset by - not being able to not book - but that DVC didn't keep their interests in mind when they knocked the balance off by creating such wildly different sized resorts.

Um.....I think you all you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party. And I am sure you are also forgetting that Old Key West was the "Disney Vacation Club" well before either of the other resorts came along. Maybe DVC messed up by building the Epcot resorts, leving the other three off alone. If anything SSR adds more balance to the system. Now there are two large resorts, one medium and two boutique resorts. (Not counting HH or VB in this).

Its a timeshare people....and very expensive timeshare. If you don't plan ahead and use it like the guidelines spell out, then shame on you and don't whine about it. Its not DVC, SSR or anyone elses fault that you waited until 7 months out to book at your home resort, during a busy time and can't get a room.

Whine, whine whine...its like dealing with a bunch of little kids. "he got an extra scoop of ice cream, I want an extra scoop too!"

 

[Beca]

Um.....I think you all you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party. And I am sure you are also forgetting that Old Key West was the "Disney Vacation Club" well before either of the other resorts came along. Maybe DVC messed up by building the Epcot resorts, leving the other three off alone. If anything SSR adds more balance to the system. Now there are two large resorts, one medium and two boutique resorts. (Not counting HH or VB in this).

Its a timeshare people....and very expensive timeshare. If you don't plan ahead and use it like the guidelines spell out, then shame on you and don't whine about it. Its not DVC, SSR or anyone elses fault that you waited until 7 months out to book at your home resort, during a busy time and can't get a room.

Whine, whine whine...its like dealing with a bunch of little kids. "he got an extra scoop of ice cream, I want an extra scoop too!"

Okay....I think this is the kind of thing that BethA was talking about. And, it's funny...this is the second "hostile" posting by a SSR owner that I have seen tonight. I just recently re-read all of the "BCV is totally run down" threads, and NEVER in those threads did a BCV owner get bent out of shape, or hostile over people posting negative things about their resort. I also don't remember anyone getting hostile in the "BWV halls are too long" or "VWL is too dark" threads. I understand SSR getting upset when people say it is a "substandard" resort, but BethA (and MANY others who have posted) have not said that at all....they have simply said they don't care for the resort, and are concerned that due to its size, it may be the only option available on short notice. BethA joined DVC in 1999...DVC was a whole different animal then. Granted, her ability to plan ahead has also changed, but when DVC happily took her money, she was happy with the options available. With SSR being so big (and not to her liking) her membership in DVC has been negatively impacted. Folks....this is NOT SSR "bashing"...this is one person's honest and sincere experience, and she is now contemplating selling for this reason. And, when she posts her concerns on a DVC board, she gets condescending and curt responses.

I have "lurked" on this board, and not posted a lot recently. I understand that a lot of SSR owners feel a need to defend their resort....but the kind of responses that include "you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party", are completely inappropriate, and have crossed the line from "bashing resorts" to "bashing people". I am a huge BCV lover (not a defender...trash it all you want!), but Crisi is really unbiased, and posts great, honest opinions on this board. BethA...well, I hardly see her around here, and now I know why.

I think owners of ALL resorts need to realize that not every resort will appeal to ALL people. Folks....it's a TIMESHARE...it costs a lot of money, yes...but, it is not your child!!

BethA...I am really sorry that you are now scared to post on this board...and, I am sorry for this board...you seem really nice.

Crisi....sometimes I agree with you, and sometimes I don't...but, I always find your posts thought provoking and interesting.

I HOPE that this board can keep having honest discussions that are not overly concerned with being "politically correct", but that do not attack PEOPLE, either.



Beca

 

[Mississippian]

Um.....I think you all you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party. And I am sure you are also forgetting that Old Key West was the "Disney Vacation Club" well before either of the other resorts came along. Maybe DVC messed up by building the Epcot resorts, leving the other three off alone. If anything SSR adds more balance to the system. Now there are two large resorts, one medium and two boutique resorts. (Not counting HH or VB in this).

Its a timeshare people....and very expensive timeshare. If you don't plan ahead and use it like the guidelines spell out, then shame on you and don't whine about it. Its not DVC, SSR or anyone elses fault that you waited until 7 months out to book at your home resort, during a busy time and can't get a room.

Whine, whine whine...its like dealing with a bunch of little kids. "he got an extra scoop of ice cream, I want an extra scoop too!"

You know, I'm a member at BWV, and would like to stay at some point at VWL and BCV. BUT, I would be very, very happy if DVC would eliminate the ability to stay at other resorts. Let's just let every stay at their home resort. Since SSR is supposedly such a good place to stay, would you be willing to agree to that?

 

[rinkwide]

...Whine, whine whine...

That doesn't sound right. I'm sure you meant "Wine, wine, wine..." which is what Beach Club and Boardwalk owners do every night in October and November.

 

[tomandrobin]

Beca

The point was that she stated thay the larger resort threw things out of whack, but forgetting that OKW was the first.....and was very large. Her point of reference was almost as OKW does not exist, and SSR is this large monster destroying DVC.....its a DVCzilla! If Disney adds four more resorts, it does not change anything with the "home" booking window. If DVC built two DVC resorts where SSR sits now (kind of like BWV and BCV next to each other) that still would not change that "home" resort booking. Its not the size that matters, unless you are staying there.

I am not trying to be hostile. And I was not attacking anyone. Just pointing out what is being over looked. Peolple assume things without thinking them thru.

 

[kathleena]

edited to delete - didn't realize this original post was so darn old!

 

[tomandrobin]

You know, I'm a member at BWV, and would like to stay at some point at VWL and BCV. BUT, I would be very, very happy if DVC would eliminate the ability to stay at other resorts. Let's just let every stay at their home resort. Since SSR is supposedly such a good place to stay, would you be willing to agree to that?

First all, I did not say SSR was so great or is a great place to stay. I do not have a problem staying at SSR. I would not have bought there is I did not like the resort. Currently own at SSR, will add on at the next resort when it is announced. Can't wait to hear all the bashing for that too.

Second, just like the previous posters, you want exclusivity at your resort. But thats not the type of resort you bought, it does trade with other owners. It also trades with II members who aren't even DVC members. People get all worked up that there is no availablity at 8 months out and blame SSR. There is no connection between the two. At seven months out, is a whole different ball game.

Third, there will come a day where SSR won't be able to trade with BWV or BCV or HH or VB or WLV or OKW.. Its the year 2042, or it may come sooner. Time will tell.

FYI, I own a Westin timeshare also. SSR is on par with a Westin timeshare accomadations. Not to shabby. The resort is still a work in progress. Turf Club just opened, there is a new pool going to be available next year.

 

[tomandrobin]

That doesn't sound right. I'm sure you meant "Wine, wine, wine..." which is what Beach Club and Boardwalk owners do every night in October and November.

LOL.....my mistake, where is that word editor when you need it!

 

[Dean]

I don't think the accounts that have been shared here that some have had difficulty in booking is enough fact. I am not saying it is not true, but I don't think anyone has the factual information to support it.

We don't know how many have been able to book at 7 months. We have had great success at booking at 7 months and still do.

We disagree on the info available but I suspect those of us who know how to use the system will continue to do well.

 

[Dean]

But, as other posters have reported, some resorts are filling up during the priority window...so maybe it is the BCV and BWV owners that are throwing the system off by booking multiples and renting. You can't blame the larger resorts for that, or the increased membership, you can blame your fellow somewhat "greedy" and inconsiderate owners, as well as kicking yourselves for not booking earlier.

I don't think that's entirely accurate. It appears to me that many of the destination resort owners are planning ahead BECAUSE of teh situation with SSR and the other resorts that are making the 7 month window harder. End result is it becomes harder still at 7 months, so be it.

 

[crisi]

Um.....I think you all you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party. And I am sure you are also forgetting that Old Key West was the "Disney Vacation Club" well before either of the other resorts came along. Maybe DVC messed up by building the Epcot resorts, leving the other three off alone. If anything SSR adds more balance to the system. Now there are two large resorts, one medium and two boutique resorts. (Not counting HH or VB in this).

Its a timeshare people....and very expensive timeshare. If you don't plan ahead and use it like the guidelines spell out, then shame on you and don't whine about it. Its not DVC, SSR or anyone elses fault that you waited until 7 months out to book at your home resort, during a busy time and can't get a room.

Whine, whine whine...its like dealing with a bunch of little kids. "he got an extra scoop of ice cream, I want an extra scoop too!"

Actually, I'm not whining...I stay at my home resort which I always book at 11 months - is BWV, which is "moderate" sized - and don't even like BCV. What I don't like is that Disney didn't do what I consider due dilligence in resort planning and design with these resorts - Disney usually PLANS better - or they seemed to back in the day. VWL should not be so small. SSR should not be so large. I think its poor planning and makes people not content, which decreases satisfaction in the program. Moreover, since guides do sell with the "you can stay anywhere" (often completely ignoring the small print of "depending on availability), I find the approach slightly unethical.

But, honestly, it isn't impacting me - except perhaps as it effects future resale values if and when I sell my points. So from a completely egocentric point of view - throw a highrise DVC over by Pop with 2000 rooms - I don't care.

 

[crisi]

Beca

The point was that she stated thay the larger resort threw things out of whack, but forgetting that OKW was the first.....and was very large. Her point of reference was almost as OKW does not exist, and SSR is this large monster destroying DVC.....its a DVCzilla! If Disney adds four more resorts, it does not change anything with the "home" booking window. If DVC built two DVC resorts where SSR sits now (kind of like BWV and BCV next to each other) that still would not change that "home" resort booking. Its not the size that matters, unless you are staying there.

I am not trying to be hostile. And I was not attacking anyone. Just pointing out what is being over looked. Peolple assume things without thinking them thru.

You need to read closer. My point is that the DVC resorts should all be the similarly sized. VWL is too small. SSR is too large. With OKW as the first resort, and BWV as the second (which is smaller, but really only in comparison to SSR), the resorts should be hitting the mean....

I am not bashing SSR - I didn't even MENTION SSR. You may not be trying to be hostile, but you are coming across as such. You may wish to read things and not assume them without thinking them through.....

 

[Dean]

Beca

The point was that she stated thay the larger resort threw things out of whack, but forgetting that OKW was the first.....and was very large. Her point of reference was almost as OKW does not exist, and SSR is this large monster destroying DVC.....its a DVCzilla! If Disney adds four more resorts, it does not change anything with the "home" booking window. If DVC built two DVC resorts where SSR sits now (kind of like BWV and BCV next to each other) that still would not change that "home" resort booking. Its not the size that matters, unless you are staying there.

I am not trying to be hostile. And I was not attacking anyone. Just pointing out what is being over looked. Peolple assume things without thinking them thru.

Actually OKW is likely to be a much smaller issue than SSR. Certainly more so than the difference in size. Partly because OKW has a loyal following, SSR likely will some day as well. And partly because of the points differential. I'd estimate that the number of SSR owners over time trying to reserve at the destination resorts to be likely 5 times or more the number of OKW owners trying to do the same. And in addition, there will likely be another 3 times as many SSR owners trying to stay at OKW as the reverse. Fact no, but my informed opinion.

 

[Dean]

Second, just like the previous posters, you want exclusivity at your resort. But thats not the type of resort you bought, it does trade with other owners. It also trades with II members who aren't even DVC members. People get all worked up that there is no availablity at 8 months out and blame SSR. There is no connection between the two. At seven months out, is a whole different ball game.

Third, there will come a day where SSR won't be able to trade with BWV or BCV or HH or VB or WLV or OKW.. Its the year 2042, or it may come sooner. Time will tell.

FYI, I own a Westin timeshare also. SSR is on par with a Westin timeshare accomadations. Not to shabby. The resort is still a work in progress. Turf Club just opened, there is a new pool going to be available next year.

One can ensure exclusivity by booking in the home resort window. As for Westin, some would argue that none of the DVC resorts (as a resort) measure up to Westin or Hyatt.

 

[Chuck S]

I don't think that's entirely accurate. It appears to me that many of the destination resort owners are planning ahead BECAUSE of teh situation with SSR and the other resorts that are making the 7 month window harder. End result is it becomes harder still at 7 months, so be it.

But that also isn't entirely accurate. If BCV/BWV owners were able to book during the 7 month window before, and are now unable to book even during the priority window, owners are reserving more rooms than in the past. Unless a lot of folks suddenly have doubled the size of their traveling parties, surely the rental market (folks booking ressies for popular times, holding that room and later renting that ressie) has increased.

 

[HUFF590]

Everyone is just repeating themselves,over and over. You guys have already givin the best advice on the subject(buy where you want to stay and plan early as possible) guides, DVC , guest, renters, members, we are all in this together. All that being said, this is a very interresting thread.

 

[tomandrobin]

I don't think that's entirely accurate. It appears to me that many of the destination resort owners are planning ahead BECAUSE of teh situation with SSR and the other resorts that are making the 7 month window harder. End result is it becomes harder still at 7 months, so be it.

I agree. The more resorts in DVC, the more the members have to plan ahead to avoid booking at seven months.