Farro
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So if I'm against daily room checks does that mean I'm in favor of human trafficking?
I'm pretty sure that's what it means, yes.

So if I'm against daily room checks does that mean I'm in favor of human trafficking?
I understand how you feel. We had a trip planned in WDW at Christmas 2008. In September, I had an emergency hysterectomy. It was very complicated and I was in the hospital much longer than anticipated. My recovery was long and arduous. In December, I was well enough to travel, however my doctor required me to go to sleep for 2 -3 hours every afternoon. Even back in 2008, housekeeping couldn't seem to keep from disturbing us. We had a leak from our A/C unit, and of course the only time maintenance could come to fix it was while I needed to sleep. They walked right in on me naked in bed asleep, woke me up, and scared the daylights out of me. They kept coming everyday around the same time with the wet vac and never actually fixed the problem. We walked on a wet rug for most of the week. It was almost impossible for me to get the rest I needed. Now I just need naps because I get tired more easily at this point in my life.We have health issues that if we're "scared" out of a nap, it has bad physical effects that are difficult to recover from. We don't want to give up on life. We don't see it as an "either or" situation that we give up Disney & never go anywhere. We can choose renting a house at the beach for relaxation instead. There are many other options than giving up going on vacation anywhere. My husband is a double transplant patient & we went a few years after his transplants & had a wonderful time. But that meant going back to the room midday to rest, nap & refresh ourselves before going back to the parks for the rest of the day. From what I'm hearing about people's naps being rudely interrupted (which for some is hard to recover from), it may not be that this is the vacation for us anymore. I wanted to hear reports/actual experiences so we could make an informed decision. Not just having people tell us you shouldn't ever go on a vacation again. But thanks anyway....
Thank you so much for your empathy & helpful observations/experiences!I understand how you feel. if being surprised and woken up unexpectedly could endanger your wellbeing, you might want to research a more suitable place to stay. Best of luck, and take care.
Nope we’ve had housekeeping in and still are getting security checked.I didn't even know this was a thing. I may have been one of the ones to first bring up the idea that the room checks were more for trafficking and less for the Vegas incident. And that was just a gut instinct guess, not any particular knowledge. Guess I was on to something.
As to the OP, the biggest thing really, if you opt to let them do daily housekeeping your odds of being bothered are greatly reduced.
I couldn't have said it better.Human trafficking, or exploitation, can also happen with "domestic servants" - such as childcare and assistants for the disabled. Not so common, but completely within the territory of trafficking as well.
It can be a completely invisible activity unless you are well-versed in body language and psychological triggers - how people respond to questions, how they respond to their plans being changed, how independently the members of a group can move about (does the Head of Household always carry all passports of ALL party members, even adult ones, is a small example), etc. And even then, depending on how co-dependent the family is on each other, that might not be a red flag... the act of trafficking requires the ruse of all participants to appear exactly as normal as possible.
Lots of good info here, though this is a provincially-based website, all the FAQ is still true: http://www.actalberta.org/about-trafficking/
For someone trying to escape this, the very separation of themselves from society is a massive obstacle - if you were checked into a hotel and it looked all good, like you were Sister #4 in the ________ Family Reunion Trip, how will you convince yourself that you should "grab the family's pool towels, but instead, dash into the front lobby and try to explain your situation to a CM" (maybe the same one who checked you in!) while your captors are well, right on your heels? Nobody WANTS to believe that the story is anything more than, "Sister had a few too many drinks at the pool bar, hahaha, have a nice day!"
Annnnnnnnnnnnd there is that percentage of traffickers that just need the fancy date or expensive gift to "show how they aren't like that" - they have to reel the victims in with the money-spending because that is what lures potential victims into thinking that they can be protected and provided for. Hence why young teenage girls who have insanely lavish gifts given to them by their older boyfriends is a red flag by many parents...
While planning my 2017 trip, I truly struggled with the mental obstacle of "Going to Orlando on Vacation", knowing a LOT about the poverty in the city, the family homelessness situation and the trafficking going all around the Bubble, but I decided to put that out of my mind and try to enjoy my family vacation. I kept all my "street smarts" about me, and had no issues, but I was well-informed and aware and that's half the battle right?
I don't like how they are implementing the room checks, but I understand how to keep my family as undisturbed as possible during our relatively short stay there, and do NOT decline Mousekeeping! I am happy to help them combat human trafficking in any form... Although I know this is a liability response, I certainly shudder at the idea of Disney being used as a cover and therefore "included" in someone's mental anguish... it's supposed to be the most Magical Place on Earth!
It's important to understand that even if you allow daily housekeeping and never use the room occupied sign these security checks are still happening if housekeeping did not get to your room that day. They also seem to be happening on occasion outside of expected housekeeping service hours such as before 9 am or after 5 pm.Whether you're against the daily room checks or not, they're happening. One way to take care of it is to allow daily housekeeping. If you don't, at some point they will knock on your door whether or not the sign is on the door, and they will expect to be let in. If you're totally against this I agree that staying elsewhere is the best solution. Maybe follow the advice about a home or apartment rental, since Disney resorts are not the only hotels doing room checks.
You formed that opinion based on what?So if I'm against daily room checks does that mean I'm in favor of human trafficking?
This has been the exception, not the norm, if you are to believe those reporting they did not opt out of daily housekeeping. However several who have verbally asked housekeeping to skip them that day have in turn gotten security checksNope we’ve had housekeeping in and still are getting security checked.
May as well take the word Disney out and replace that with any hotel management at any chain because they all have the fine print that allows them to enter the roomIt's important to understand that even if you allow daily housekeeping and never use the room occupied sign these security checks are still happening if housekeeping did not get to your room that day. They also seem to be happening on occasion outside of expected housekeeping service hours such as before 9 am or after 5 pm.
The fact that you are "allowing" housekeeping and not using the room occupied sign does not seem to prevent you from being subject to these room inspections based upon the experiences of some people posting about this topic. The fine print states that Disney may conduct a room inspection at any time for any purpose, and that is what they are doing.
~NM
That's not what once every 24 hours means. It's 24 room hours, not 24 guest hours.The problem is that WDW isn’t waiting 24 hours, but knocking and demanding immediate access even when the sign has only been on a couple of hours.
I don't know if they can demand entry into those as they are not owned by Disney? Good question!I wonder how they are handling motor homes and campers. The cabins are just like any hotel rooms but these vehicles might be a bit harder to check.