Shooting holes in the "buy where you want to stay" argument.

[sjdisneywedding]

another person missing the premise. we're talking about people in the first place who don't have the extra $3500 (eg OKW v BCV up front, that savings GROWS when you add dues back in!) to spend or look at DVC as a way to save $$$. the point is "buy where you want to stay" is more complicated than that simple statement and to a good portion of people may not be good advice. if money is no issue blow it all on BCV, who cares. for many people $3500 is real money and a little flexibility is well worth that! your advice is great when money isnt an issue...and/if you are inflexible in where you want to stay.

lol I'm missing the premise? lol

the buy where you want to stay arguement is intended for those who may have a favorite resort and would like to plan to stay there most often. Its not intended to be meant for those looking to save money.

bottom line is IF you have a favorite resort and that is the most important thing to you, then you CAN NOT just buy anywere and expect to get that favorite resort of yours. Thats it, case closed.

if a friend came to me and asked my advice on buying into dvc and said money is an issue then i wouldnt advise them to buy bcv, but if they said they only like bcv then I certainly wouldnt tell them "hey thats ok, save money and just get vb or okw, you'll still get your favorite resort about 75 percent of time, the other 25%?! ah who cares you saved money on your intial purchase.

i understand your theory and to a extent agree with it, but its simply not a theory that disputes the "buy where you want to stay" arguement.

 

[crisi]

If a friend came to me and couldn't afford the difference between OKW and BCV , I'd want to know what they were thinking of dropping that sort of money on luxury vacations!

The cost of DVC itself is nothing compared to what we will spend over 40 years on park tickets, food, and airfare.

Once again, if the idea is to save money, don't buy DVC at all, at any resort. OKW is comparatively just as expensive as BCV when compared to alternatives like value resorts, offsite accomodations, offsite timeshares or skipping Disney.

 

[Dean]

Actually I used both VB and OKW as examples in my original post. I think VB has been rebutted quite well over the dues issue. But OKW still looks real good to me and I may add some OKW points actually...

As I've said many times. If you want to stay at WDW and try them all from time to time, OKW is likely the best option. As long as one doesn't want one of the destination resorts most trips.

 

[Deep-Thots]

"Spring Break? What does Spring break have to do with all of this?"

Just the point that some of us may be pushing the cost per point of BCV up because we have specific reason's for BUYING WHERE WE WANT TO STAY and gaining a reservation advantage to fullfill these reasons.


"What would you like to do next: have a discussion about which resort is best during the Christmas season?"

And YES I own VWL for Christmas also.

I am unsure why you continue to quote me out of context and attempt to create a strawman argument. Emotion and logic are not mutually exclusive, for heaven's sake.

And so let me repeat:

"In my initial post, I was merely commenting and extrapolating on the aside of another poster, who noted that BCV is not really as beach-like as some might wish it to be. Simple. End of story."

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

As a former North Jersey-Long Islander I have to agree with Deep-Thots...

The BCV-BWV resort is a sanitized version of the Jersey Shore and other New England summer resorts. No you can't swim in those locations for around 7 months of the year. But you can walk the beach for miles, spot wildlife, sandcast, deep sea fish, having a variety of dining and party experiences... go to Six Flags gamble, play beach vb

You also can encounter negatives you won't find at BCV-BWV. As an almost life long near coastal resident I'd only go to the beach for a beach vacation. BCV-BWV is a nice illusion (especially at night) but for me its an illusion that will never be complete. That's what I got out of the original Deep-thot not the notion that BCV-BWV was bad...just not for them. There are people who will not stay at VWL because it looks too much like home!

 

[Deep-Thots]

snip....

That's what I got out of the original Deep-thot not the notion that BCV-BWV was bad...just not for them.

Thank you! That's all I was saying!!

 

[jade1]

"In my initial post, I was merely commenting and extrapolating on the aside of another poster, who noted that BCV is not really as beach-like as some might wish it to be. Simple. End of story."

Deep-Thots, yea I see I mixed you in on a few other quotes and I apologize for that. I'm just saying in my opinion BCV is as (or more) BEACH-LIKE as can be expected in the middle of Florida (you and others support its not) but $90 a point supports that it IS. OKW pales in comparison to Key West also but guess what-I would rather stay at OKW than Key West because it is RIGHT NEXT TO WDW, but I dont need to own OKW because it is almost ALWAYS AVAILABLE. I would also rather stay at VWL than the Grand Lodge at Yellowstone, BWV than the Jersey Boardwalk, SSR than Saratoga. Many of us own where we want to stay because we have kids in school meaning 2 weeks off over a 9 month winter (those are called PEAK times) and when we plan to go to WDW one or both of those weeks, its important to book where we want and since one is Spring Break a beach theme is highly desireable and BCV did a great job with that theme up to and including but not limited to: THE BEACH.

 

[Vince]

Also don't forget about us lucky VERO DVC members who get the lifetime subsidized dues rate...we came in the cheapest at $3.43 per point for 05. If you can find a contract with this subsidized rate (its transferable) then it makes the case of buying a cheaper offsite membership with the intention of mostly staying at WDW even stronger if you don't mind too much with DVC resort you can get.

Just my 2 cents !


-Vince

 

[SoCalKDG]

Say you want to stay at BWV every time, but want to save money so you buy a cheaper OKW or VB contract. At 7 months you get into BWV, but you can't get the standard room. Thus you pay approx. 20-25% more points to stay at BWV, thus ending up paying more to stay at BWV then a BWV owner.

In this case I'd say buying where you would want to stay is the way to go with BWV.

I also wonder down the line if we won't see point transfering happen more frequently. I want Christmas at VWL, you want summer in a standard(or BW view) at BWV. We transfer points, allowing me to book VWL at the 11 month, and you to book BWV at the 11 month.

 

[DMDSTPRGIL]

People have been talking about the bubble bursting for 10 years now. The point is there is still money out there and people are spending it. Now with the Euro V Dollar, out of country sales are going crazy with DVC and other property in the Fla area. So for now and for the near future Disney can't build DVC resorts fast enough. At the round table of Disney big wigs in Ca. four years ago most of them never heard of DVC. It wasn't a big factor in Disneys income. That has changed greatly since 911 when most of the resorts were empty and the DVC resorts were full and keeping Disney going. The big guys have taken notice, they will keep building,and they will keep selling.If you want to stay at Disney World when you want to stay at Disney World you need to own at Disney World not hours away.

 

[gmboy95]

Let me see if I can sum this up

1) If you have specific needs, specific wants, and specific times during the year yoiu like to travel.....the best advice is to pay a "premium" for the resort you stay in.

2) If you are flexible in you needs, wants, and times, then the best advice is to purchase the cheapest points you can get your hands on.

I mean that is really what it comes down to.....or am I over simplifying

 

[dougmatt]

Say you want to stay at BWV every time, but want to save money so you buy a cheaper OKW or VB contract. At 7 months you get into BWV, but you can't get the standard room. Thus you pay approx. 20-25% more points to stay at BWV, thus ending up paying more to stay at BWV then a BWV owner.

In this case I'd say buying where you would want to stay is the way to go with BWV.

I think this is an excellent point. I am curious how popular those standard views really are? A point to consider is that not only is the "price per point" significantly higher for ownership at BCV, but in fact the "price per stay" is also higher.. Granted, I love the Lodge (VWL) and I am willing to "pay" more to stay there most of the times, but we have all had times when points were tight one year (if you haven't you probably will ). The ability to book BWV standard can be significant, assuming the view is acceptable for "some" trips. OKW and even SSR are also lower "price" alternatives that I have checked on at times and NOT found availability... Granted not at 7 months, more like 4-5 months...

 

[Dean]

I think this is an excellent point. I am curious how popular those standard views really are? A point to consider is that not only is the "price per point" significantly higher for ownership at BCV, but in fact the "price per stay" is also higher.. Granted, I love the Lodge (VWL) and I am willing to "pay" more to stay there most of the times, but we have all had times when points were tight one year (if you haven't you probably will ). The ability to book BWV standard can be significant, assuming the view is acceptable for "some" trips. OKW and even SSR are also lower "price" alternatives that I have checked on at times and NOT found availability... Granted not at 7 months, more like 4-5 months...

Why not, people pay the same points at BCV for standard view rooms all the time, LOL.

 

[jade1]

"gmboy95: 1) If you have specific needs, specific wants, and specific times during the year yoiu like to travel.....the best advice is to pay a "premium" for the resort you stay in.

2) If you are flexible in you needs, wants, and times, then the best advice is to purchase the cheapest points you can get your hands on.

I mean that is really what it comes down to.....or am I over simplifying"

I agree with 2) (thats like calling and asking if you have any room of any size anywhere I can reserve over the next 7 months? Pretty good chance they will say YES) but not 1). Although it is somewhat valid and also the way the world works-supply and demand etc. But do you mean pay a premium for the resort you "stay" in or "own"?

"dougmatt: A point to consider is that not only is the "price per point" significantly higher for ownership at BCV, but in fact the "price per stay" is also higher

Price per point for owning BCV? Do you mean to buy it now? Many of us bought BCV at very reasonable point values (especially with incentives) a couple years ago and have enjoyed a great return on investment. Price per stay is not higher than VWL or BWV preferred. Dues are more at VWL and slightly less at BWV this year.

 

[jade1]

Furthermore, even WDW charges more (price per stay) for BCV then all other DVC except BWV (same).

2BR OKW Regular season: $575, SSR: $575, VWL: $715, BCV: $725, BWV: $725. $150 a night more.


Old Key West Resort (add 11.5% tax)


Value
Regular
Peak
Holiday

Studio
$259
$289
$339
$379

1-Bedroom Villa
$350
$395
$460
$525

2-Bedroom Villa
$490
$575
$700
$805

3-Bedroom Grand Villa
$1070
$1195
$1350
$1505


Saratoga Springs Resort (add 11.5% tax)


Value
Regular
Peak
Holiday

Studio
$259
$289
$339
$379

1-Bedroom Villa
$350
$395
$460
$525

2-Bedroom Villa
$490
$575
$700
$805

3-Bedroom Grand Villa
$1070
$1195
$1350
$1505


Villas at Wilderness Lodge (add 11.5% tax)



Value
Regular
Peak
Holiday

Studio
$284
$324
$389
$449

1-Bedroom Villa
$390
$440
$535
$580

2-Bedroom Villa
$555
$715
$865
$1015


Beach Club Villas (add 11.5% tax)


Value
Regular
Peak
Holiday

Studio
$294
$334
$404
$459

1-Bedroom Villa
$400
$450
$525
$590

2-Bedroom Villa
$560
$725
$920
$1040


Boardwalk Villas (add 11.5% tax)


Value
Regular
Peak
Holiday

Studio
$294
$334
$404
$459

1-Bedroom Villa
$400
$450
$525
$590

2-Bedroom Villa
$560
$725
$920
$1040

3-Bedroom Grand Villa
$1360
$1555
$1745
$1970

 

[lllovell]

wowsers - no wonder we still stay at the values when we are not on points....I must be one of those causing that drop in the overall "class" of DVC lol


However, I am still not sure what that has to do with where you buy??? I agree with the buy where you want to stay. We bought at SSR sight unseen and have since fallen in LOVE with it. I am taking hubby first to OKW which is probably going to make it his top preference (we are parrotheads - so it fits our lifestyle) but he and I have already agreed that staying at SSR would be wonderful! Also, when the boys are older, we will be so close to DTD at SSR and that will be fun for us all!

 

[robinb]

Let me see if I can sum this up

1) If you have specific needs, specific wants, and specific times during the year yoiu like to travel.....the best advice is to pay a "premium" for the resort you stay in.

2) If you are flexible in you needs, wants, and times, then the best advice is to purchase the cheapest points you can get your hands on.

I mean that is really what it comes down to.....or am I over simplifying

I think that just about covers it. I would also add:

(3) If you choose a resort based on (2) be aware that your vacation habits may change.

and

(4) Buy where Disney is selling if you need financing. Don't worry about the 11/7 month windows ... you're going to Disney World!

 

[jade1]

"lllovell: wowsers - no wonder we still stay at the values when we are not on points....I must be one of those causing that drop in the overall "class" of DVC lol

However, I am still not sure what that has to do with where you buy???"

I will explain, a point was trying to be made that BCV was more expensive per stay-to some degree true (and well worth it to us) such as someone who just bought BCV at $90 per point-I am just pointing out even WDW expects to get more for BCV when rack rates are involved compared to other DVC resorts. The rack rate at BCV is higher for a REASON, supply and demand, so if you want to reserve FOR SURE at BCV (especially Premier season like many of us) you better own there or you will likely be on the waitlist. Many of us chose to remove that variable, and some are starting to pay more to remove that variable-thats why the price is going up and thats why some buy where they want to stay.