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[cdrn1]

I found several reliable sites - WebMD, Mayo Clinic, one specific to SIDS... - that, after several other possible causes, first place maternal smoking during pregnancy as a greater risk than any secondhand smoke after birth; but I couldn't find anything that even hinted at clothing with a smoke smell possibly being a cause. All due respect, what you're calling tough love I'd call extorting.

Google "third-hand smoke".

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

My parents smoked since they were teens and finally quit in 2004 after struggling to breathe with COPD. They calculated what they were spending on cigarettes and it equates to 2 cruises per year. So now that's what they spend their $$ on. I'd much rather see them spending money for that.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Google "third-hand smoke".

Thank you. I did.
Still no connection between SIDS and third-hand smoke.

 

[cdrn1]

Thank you. I did.
Still no connection between SIDS and third-hand smoke.

Not necessarily SIDS, but health hazards to children. And adults. And it smells really, really bad.

 

[torinsmom]

Thank you. I did.
Still no connection between SIDS and third-hand smoke.

This article says..

Child Mortality

Tobacco users may never smoke indoors, but children can ingest dangerous smoke particles that settle on smokers' clothes and hair. As the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services relates, these particles can be transferred to kids during a hug or kiss, or scooped up from rugs or curtains when babies put their hands in their mouths.

Nicotine, cotinine and other substances in cigarette smoke likely increase risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) in children who are exposed to smoke. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report that these chemicals act on the brain to interrupt breathing in infants, which may cause SIDS fatalities.

The article is here

http://www.livestrong.com/article/143848-what-are-dangers-third-hand-smoke-house/

Maybe this isn't enough for you, but it is for me. If the chemicals in cigarettes are linked to SIDS, the kids are exposed to them on others' clothing, carpet etc. It is only a matter of time before the link is fully substantiated. It's kind of like the people who move their child to a regular seat belt at 4 years old, because that is what the law requires. Common sense and a little research would show that a child that size is not safe in just a seat belt. I don't know why we have to wait for "experts" to tell us something for it to be valid.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

This article says..

Child Mortality

Tobacco users may never smoke indoors, but children can ingest dangerous smoke particles that settle on smokers' clothes and hair. As the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services relates, these particles can be transferred to kids during a hug or kiss, or scooped up from rugs or curtains when babies put their hands in their mouths.

Nicotine, cotinine and other substances in cigarette smoke likely increase risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) in children who are exposed to smoke. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report that these chemicals act on the brain to interrupt breathing in infants, which may cause SIDS fatalities.

The article is here

http://www.livestrong.com/article/143848-what-are-dangers-third-hand-smoke-house/

Maybe this isn't enough for you, but it is for me. If the chemicals in cigarettes are linked to SIDS, the kids are exposed to them on others' clothing, carpet etc. It is only a matter of time before the link is fully substantiated. It's kind of like the people who move their child to a regular seat belt at 4 years old, because that is what the law requires. Common sense and a little research would show that a child that size is not safe in just a seat belt. I don't know why we have to wait for "experts" to tell us something for it to be valid.

Oh, this drives me crazy too! Luckily for children of stupid parents, kids here cannot go into a regular seat belt until age 8 or 80 lbs.
Sorry to hijack....

 

[C.Ann]

I can think of a whole lot of things that people waste money on.. Many people think nothing of talking about it right here on the DIS boards - and then something happens and all of a sudden they're looking for advice because they're "broke" and can't afford this or that for their children (like keeping a roof over their heads)..

I wonder why we're not seeing any outrage over that? Or any "assumptions" about those situations? I've often heard it said that there's a reason for the first 3 letters of that word, so I guess it's best not to toss it around too often - or too lightly - lest it come back to haunt the users in some way, shape, or form.. No one knows what the future holds.. No one.. Kind of like the word "never".. I've been trying my hardest to refrain from using that word for quite some time now because it seems that when I do, that's when "never" becomes "now"... Yes - I still slip up now and then, but I'm really, really trying..

No one is perfect - no one - so unless something is having a direct impact on you (or your family), there's not much point in fussing about it.. Learn from others mistakes and go on your way..

 

[Patience]

To me, in my orig. post (I am the OP), do get mad at people wo do these things as well. I stated in the orig. post the word "VICES" many times.

The reason why I chose 'smoking' mainly is becase that is the exact issue that I delt with- if it would have been a person who had delt with alcoholic drinks and buying those types of things, or a person who dresses in expensive clothing and can't afford clothing for her kids- it would have been said. I, myself, deal with the "I'm a smoker, so I cannot afford _______ for my kids" issue...so that is what I addressed.

People who put their 'vices and extra wants and desires' ahead of taking proper care of their kids aren't very good parents. I am not talking about the parents who supply everything for their kids that they need- I'm talking about the kids/families that have to go get things like free school supplies from people who've donated them because the parents would rather buy cigs...or what ever else for THEMSELVES...It SUCKS for those of us who DONATE A LOT of items to help out those in need, if those in need spend money foolishly.

I SO agree with this! Pay for your children first, your addictions last. By the way, the kids know that the parents are spending money on their addictions first. I grew up resentful of the fact that my parents spent a lot of money on cigarettes every single week but always claimed we were broke. Kids aren't stupid and can figure out that money spent on cigarettes means less money spent on them or family activities or family needs.

My mother quit cold turkey 10 years ago after smoking heavily (2 packs a day or more) for 30 years and I am very, very proud of her. My dad died in 1998 of a heart attack at age 58 because of smoking. I hate, despise and abhor smoking but I recognize that people have the right to do so. However, no one, ever, will smoke at my home or around my kids if I can help it, not even close family. My house, my children, my rules! I was exposed to second-hand smoke my entire childhood against my will and no one will do that to my children. Most smokers have no idea how bad they smell or how long the smell lingers in their hair and clothing nor do they have any idea of how bad their homes smell. If my mom can quit smoking, I firmly believe that anyone can.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Nicotine, cotinine and other substances in cigarette smoke likely increase risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) in children who are exposed to smoke. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report that these chemicals act on the brain to interrupt breathing in infants, which may cause SIDS fatalities.

The article is here

http://www.livestrong.com/article/14...d-smoke-house/

Maybe this isn't enough for you, but it is for me. If the chemicals in cigarettes are linked to SIDS, the kids are exposed to them on others' clothing, carpet etc.

And still nothing about third-hand 'smoke', or particulates, and SIDS.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I SO agree with this! Pay for your children first, your addictions last. By the way, the kids know that the parents are spending money on their addictions first. I grew up resentful of the fact that my parents spent a lot of money on cigarettes every single week but always claimed we were broke. Kids aren't stupid and can figure out that money spent on cigarettes means less money spent on them or family activities or family needs.

My mother quit cold turkey 10 years ago after smoking heavily (2 packs a day or more) for 30 years and I am very, very proud of her. My dad died in 1998 of a heart attack at age 58 because of smoking. I hate, despise and abhor smoking but I recognize that people have the right to do so. However, no one, ever, will smoke at my home or around my kids if I can help it, not even close family. My house, my children, my rules! I was exposed to second-hand smoke my entire childhood against my will and no one will do that to my children. Most smokers have no idea how bad they smell or how long the smell lingers in their hair and clothing nor do they have any idea of how bad their homes smell. If my mom can quit smoking, I firmly believe that anyone can.

We felt this way about my dad. He would barely put one out all the way, still smoldering, and would like up another one. Probably at least 3 packs/day. He said it was easier to quit than he expected but was too afraid to even try before.

 

[superdiz]

Who cares? No one said smoke on the clothes increased the risk of SIDS. I spelled it out for you what I meant. Interesting your profile reads "There is no pill that will cure stupid". Apparently you've searched.

 

[torinsmom]

Oh, this drives me crazy too! Luckily for children of stupid parents, kids here cannot go into a regular seat belt until age 8 or 80 lbs.
Sorry to hijack....

It's that way here in NC now, but even before the state told me this was safer for my child, he was in a booster at 4,5 and 6. I even distributed brochures at my school that outlines the recommendations vs. the law.

And still nothing about third-hand 'smoke', or particulates, and SIDS.

As I said, the information there is good enough for me, even if it isn't for you. It says that the chemicals in cigarettes are linked to SIDS and that children pick these up from clothing, carpet, etc. It is really only a matter of time and like the car seat example I gave above, I don't wait for an expert to tell me something I can figure out by putting two and two together.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Thank you. I did.
Still no connection between SIDS and third-hand smoke.

Give it up already AESOP.

I agree with the OP..

 

[CrAzY4DL]

Thank you both - but as crashbb already kindly indicated, neither of those sites indicates or implies any even minuscule connection between third-hand smoke particulates and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. No actual cause has been determined for the latter - but while the mother smoking during pregnancy or second-hand smoke during the infant's first year could be contributing factors, or not, particulate residue in hair or clothing aren't. That poster's demands of her mother were extreme and controlling...and it's surprising she didn't also make her mom wash her hair before touching the baby.

When DD12 was born she had to go into the NICU for 3 days because of lung problems. We were told when we went home that if we were to continue smoking it needed to be done outside while wearing either old clothes or a bathrobe that was JUST FOR SMOKING and to wrap our hair up in a towel, remove all of these items and wash our hands really well after coming in. We just quit. And I agree with a PP; her kid her rules. It's not extreme OR controlling. I'm sure almost everyone has some kind of rule in their house that another household would find extreme and/or controlling. Not fair to point a finger and judge.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Not necessarily SIDS, but health hazards to children. And adults. And it smells really, really bad.

Absolutely. Hundreds of illnesses and medical conditions can be attributed to cigarette smoking and smokes. No specific cause has been determined for SIDS. "Likely", "may", "could be", etc., aren't causes. They're guesses... and the primary guesses on every website I found were stomach or side sleeping, and pillows, blankets, etc, in the crib. The mother smoking during pregnancy was another; no mention of anyone smoking around the mother during pregnancy. Smoking around the infant is on the list, far down. Having third-hand smoke particulates on one's clothing while holding an infant, not even considered as a guess.

That's the only point I'm trying to make. The CDC, the Mayo Clinic, Mass General Hospital (which 'discovered' SIDS), WebMD, the SIDS website - none connect third-hand smoke to SIDS. only a previous poster does that.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Give it up already AESOP.

I agree with the OP..

Just for clarity, you agree with a Previous Poster. superdiz isn't the OP of this thread.

 

[Evi]

I don't always blame the smoker. I think big cigarette manufacturers are to blame for much of the smoking that takes place. Especially within the minority, low income and disenfranchised populations. If you ever take a drive into a community that is considered to be low income notice all the cigarette advertisements still in the windows of stores and liquor adds on the billboards.

I really wish tobacco companies also had to pay for tobacco cessation programs and education within these same communities and demographic groups.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Just for clarity, you agree with a Previous Poster. superdiz isn't the OP of this thread.

No I'm agreeing with the sentiments of the OP and her reason for starting this thread. Not sure why you thought otherwise.


My first line was directed at you and the inability to let go of the 3rd hand smoke issue.

The I stated that I agreed with the OP in my 2nd line.

 

[julie4423]

I agree with the OP. I've definitely seen this situation more than once, and it always blows my mind.

As for the rest of this, I'm at a loss. I just had to stop reading the replies. The initial intention of this post was not to bash smokers in general, but people who smoke even though they can't afford the essentials in life for their children. I don't get why everyone has to make this a hate thread. We all have the freedom to make our own choices, and it isn't for anyone else to judge.

 

[mrodgers]

I don't always blame the smoker. I think big cigarette manufacturers are to blame for much of the smoking that takes place. Especially within the minority, low income and disenfranchised populations. If you ever take a drive into a community that is considered to be low income notice all the cigarette advertisements still in the windows of stores and liquor adds on the billboards.

I really wish tobacco companies also had to pay for tobacco cessation programs and education within these same communities and demographic groups.

I am bombarded with advertisements of McDonalds and many different alcoholic drinks on the television every time I watch TV, yet I've maybe eaten McDonalds 4 times in my life and I don't drink any of those alcoholic beverages. Why would smoking ads be different? Seems that the problem as I see it isn't in the ads....