LOST - Last Season (NO SPOILERS)

[goofy's friends]

DH noticed that Sayid was in a very prominant "cross-shape" when he was taken out of the water. Could it be that that the water thing represents baptism or something and Jacob assumes his body representing Christ being brought back to life. Flocke then would be the "devil" (I think someone else said maybe he was a fallen angel trying to get"home"). It's kind of "out there", but DH had some valid thoughts! Hmmmm........

Oh, also, the people that Jacob visited are his "chosen few" that he chose to work through and he would have orchestrated the whole series of events to bring them to the island to carry out his plan.

 

[ryan840]

You know too much time passes when you find out someone is pregnant towards the end of one season and they return the next season with a six month old! Congrats Harleyquinn!!

I just thought about when Jacob was in the cabin asking for help a few seasons back- that was never resolved was it? Or was it just that he was being kept prisoner via the ash ring? But by whom, and why? So many questions still unanswered!

I can't remember if it's ever been mentioned in our discussions about Ajira 316 referring to John 3:16? "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Between Jacob being the good spiritual presence on the island and his not fighting back when Ben killed him I think it has real significance. Sorry if it's been brought up already, I'm a little too tired to think straight right now.

Oh, and about Sun and Jin not being married in the alternate timeline- didn't the lady at customs call him her husband when she told her now would be the time to speak up if it was a misunderstanding? I have to rewatch and see, but I thought she did.

 

[gometros]

What about the 12 tribes of Israel? Jacob's 12 sons, with the last being Benjamin? Is it possible that another character could be representative of Jacob's fraternal twin brother, Esau?

EDIT: Could the numbers represent scripture?

Oh, that's good. That would explain the Egyptian connection.

Btw, my daughter sits for a Japanese woman. She said that the actor playing the Japanese Other was a teen heartthrob when she was growing up in Japan and she thought it interesting that he popped up in US TV. Just an interesting side tidbit

 

[robinb]

Hi everyone! I am returning to LOST after a season and a half gone. I stopped watching just about when the "Oceanic Six" were trying to make it back home. I missed exactly *how* they got off the island and then was just annoyed with the plot. I thought everyone was much more interesting on the island. Which is why I was happy to see Kate up in the tree in her old island clothes. I always meant to catch up but didn't. My DH and I watched the 1 hour re-cap (which went much faster than usual, LOL) and I felt "caught up" enough ti understand the premier. Well ... about as much as anyone can understand LOST.

 

[torinsmom]

DH noticed that Sayid was in a very prominant "cross-shape" when he was taken out of the water. Could it be that that the water thing represents baptism or something and Jacob assumes his body representing Christ being brought back to life. Flocke then would be the "devil" (I think someone else said maybe he was a fallen angel trying to get"home"). It's kind of "out there", but DH had some valid thoughts! Hmmmm........

Oh, also, the people that Jacob visited are his "chosen few" that he chose to work through and he would have orchestrated the whole series of events to bring them to the island to carry out his plan.

I definitely noticed the way Sayid's arms were stretched out when he came out as well. He did look like Jesus on the cross.

Someone said that Jacob did not inhabit others' bodies, that he always appeared as himself. But didn't we see him several times inhabiting Christian's body? Or do people think that was the other guy(I'm thinking of him as Esau too for some reason)

 

[LuvBaloo]

I'm so confused!

When Ben took Locke to the cabin the woods, was that supposed to be Jacob trapped in the cabin or was that actually Esau?
I had thought it was Esau, but now I'm not sure because if he's also smokey, then he couldn't have been trapped in the cabin. Or is smokey just one aspect of him, and his 'soul' was trapped in the cabin?

 

[harleyquinn]

You know too much time passes when you find out someone is pregnant towards the end of one season and they return the next season with a six month old! Congrats Harleyquinn!!

I just thought about when Jacob was in the cabin asking for help a few seasons back- that was never resolved was it? Or was it just that he was being kept prisoner via the ash ring? But by whom, and why? So many questions still unanswered!

I know! Crazy huh?! Thank You!

I don't think the presence in the cabin was Jacob. When "the good guys" (the ones with Locke's body) go to the cabin, she says, "he's not here. He hasn't been for a long time. Someone else has been using it." It's just a matter of when the switch occured. I personally think Esau has been manipulating Locke from the beginning. I think he saw his loneliness and desperation and picked him as his patsy.

Though if Jacob was in the cabin at some point, why was the ash ring there? To keep Esau out? The temple people put out the ash to keep him out...it makes more sense if they trapped Esau in the cabin...that's why he said "Help me" to Locke. Ben led Locke to the cabin, but Hurley found it on his own right? I'm gonna stop now, I'm confusing myself!!

I'm so confused!

When Ben took Locke to the cabin the woods, was that supposed to be Jacob trapped in the cabin or was that actually Esau?
I had thought it was Esau, but now I'm not sure because if he's also smokey, then he couldn't have been trapped in the cabin. Or is smokey just one aspect of him, and his 'soul' was trapped in the cabin?

Maybe when we saw smokey Esau wasn't in the cabin anymore? I don't know either.


BTW Did you hear that the producers told all the spoiler websites that if they posted anything, they would be shut down? I don't think we need a spoiler thread this year!

 

[ryan840]

Wow, yay producers! I'm not opposed to spoiler websites in general because I just don't read them if I want to avoid knowing, but I have been very nervous about someone ruining the end of LOST! I was totally fearing another Harry Potter incident or something. (not from the DIS but some big public thing in general)

I do agree that Esau has been manipulating Locke from the beginning and hope we get to see a flashback of how it all played out, from the moment Locke stood up for the first time.

I could go 50/50 on who was actually in the cabin, but what Harleyquinn said makes sense about it being Esau. I had forgotten about them saying he hadn't been there for a long time. But 3 years could still be considered a long time I suppose, or long enough that all traces of him were gone making it impossible to tell how much time had passed. Either way I hope they flaash back to that part too!

 

[gometros]

BTW Did you hear that the producers told all the spoiler websites that if they posted anything, they would be shut down? I don't think we need a spoiler thread this year!

I find it hard to believe that the producers can exert that kind of influence. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[bicker]

I think the producers' threats really only apply in cases where information was stolen. Spoilers that rely on watching (from a public place) the actors who enter or leave the filming area, for example, would be fault-free.

 

[harleyquinn]

forgive me...I got that information from DH...after doing my own searching, it turns out that the producers have ASKED that season 6 be as spoiler free as possible.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lostpedia:Spoiler_Policy

 

[Amy]

So.....what did you all think? Just when I think I might have it all figured out, they throw a curve and I have no idea what's going on.

So, is Jacob inhabiting Sayid's body like we thought last week? But Dogen, the temple guy, seems to think the "infection" or whatever in Sayid's body is bad. Is Jacob perhaps a bad guy, and not a good guy like we've been thinking? Maybe Evil Locke is the good guy??

Didn't Claire remind you of Rousseau there at the end?

 

[teddygurlkeekee]

So.....what did you all think? Just when I think I might have it all figured out, they throw a curve and I have no idea what's going on.

So, is Jacob inhabiting Sayid's body like we thought last week? But Dogen, the temple guy, seems to think the "infection" or whatever in Sayid's body is bad. Is Jacob perhaps a bad guy, and not a good guy like we've been thinking? Maybe Evil Locke is the good guy??

Didn't Claire remind you of Rousseau there at the end?

I don't think Jacob took over Sayid's body anymore..we were wrong (lol surprise). Jacob is not the bad guy!! And I don't believe the "others" think he is either. Something took over Sayid, just like it did Ben and now we know Claire. We just don't know what, or what it does... We do know Claire didn't take the pill, but we don't know if Ben did..

OMG who else freaked when they saw Ethan???

 

[goofy's friends]

Remember when Jin was with the french people and the smoke monster got one and spit him out and he instantly turned on his fiance and she had to shoot him?? I think THAT is what they think happened to Sayid/Claire.

Sawyer is my favorite and it is so sad to watch him so miserable....no funny one-liners, no shirt off I hope he snaps out of his grief to help the other losties. (he did have one funny comment about Sayid getting to come back to life)

I still think that Jacob has set them all on this path from the beginning--visiting them and everything---that's why the temple people said that the losties HAD to be back there right away.

Overall, a weak episode for answers

 

[Heidict]

Well, this episode did solve one thing for me. It verified for me the reasons why I have never liked Kate. She is a selfish, self-serving, manipulative person. Everything that she does is to benefit herself.

Yes, I know, she did go back for Claire after carjacking her and kicking her out in the middle of nowhere with nothing. It seemed so false though and I hated her more for doing it. I don't now why. Maybe it's because I feels like it's being done just so we will like her.

Jack was another one who got on my last nerve last night. I can understand the whole "lets not trust the people who tried to kill Sayid" and all, but he just really sucks as a leader. Here is a person who couldn't even get his own alcoholic life together, yet he thinks he has the ability to run the lives and fate of others? Just about all his decisions are bad in the outcome. Love the fact that the idiot swallowed the pill. This should be fun.

No, I do not think that Sayid is being inhabited with Jacob. I believe that due to the fact that the water was dirty and that he really did die afterward and was given up on by the others that he is being inhabited by something else. The pill was going to kill that something else. I think that when they did this with young Ben, the water was clean and there was never any need for a pill to be taken.

Claire though; they did say that she did not take the pill and that what was inhabiting Sayid would grow and consume him like it did Claire. (Or at least that was my interpretation.) So, what is inhabiting Claire and I assume her father if it is not something that the others are cool with? Something that is on the side of Flocke and is in opposition to Jacob and The Others.

Who is good and bad though? I heard that we should all re watch that episode in the first season that had Locke and Walt playing chess on the beach. That we should listen closely to Locke's description of the white and black pieces. The producers did say that we will question ourselves in regards to who is good and who is evil. So.......is Jacob really good? When we first say Jacob on the beach with the other guy. The one who said that he really wanted to kill Jacob. I remember him saying something to Jacob about the fact that a boat was going to crash on the island, because Jacob had brought them there. He seemed almost disgusted with Jacob. Playing with people's lives for his own enjoyment. Didn't strike me as something someone "good" would do.

I'm going to reserve judgment on Flock at this time because I'm starting to wonder if maybe Jacob really is a bad guy after all. This island and the people that have ended up on it are nothing more then amusements to him. Toys that he plays with.

 

[harleyquinn]

So, is Jacob inhabiting Sayid's body like we thought last week? But Dogen, the temple guy, seems to think the "infection" or whatever in Sayid's body is bad. Is Jacob perhaps a bad guy, and not a good guy like we've been thinking? Maybe Evil Locke is the good guy??

Didn't Claire remind you of Rousseau there at the end?

I think we can say that Jacob is NOT in Sayid. I think the infection is what goofy's friends posted. Locke is evil and I think the preview shows that he's going to start trying to kill off the Losties. I think that's his mission and the temple people want to protect them. Everything would be fine if they would just EXPLAIN WHY!! lol of course, then all the secrets would be out and the season wouldn't be as satisfying.

Claire was definitely supposed to be Rousseau, hence the "these look like Rousseau traps..."
"can't be, she's been dead for 3 years...must be"
"...shut up Justin!"
He was gonna say Claire. I was so mad that Kate took Justin out--he would have told her everything!!!

Sawyer is my favorite and it is so sad to watch him so miserable....no funny one-liners, no shirt off I hope he snaps out of his grief to help the other losties. (he did have one funny comment about Sayid getting to come back to life)

I still think that Jacob has set them all on this path from the beginning--visiting them and everything---that's why the temple people said that the losties HAD to be back there right away.

Overall, a weak episode for answers

I was so excited with his first line of the episode...that I can't remember right now...lol Oh! Something like, oh course the torturing, child killing terrorist is alive, he totally deserves it more than others..." Sad, true and pretty funny...

They seem to do this with the second episode every season. Make you think you might have a clue and then BAM! More questions! Good to see Claire back--good hair or bad!

And how does Ethan factor in!?

 

[Muushka]

Was that Ethan with Claire in the scene at the hospital?

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Was that Ethan with Claire in the scene at the hospital?

yup.

Interesting correlation, considering Ethan took Claire in season 1 and they gave her something to protect the baby. I can't remember exactly anymore, wasn't Claire similarly in a doctor's office with Ethan or other "others" caring for her?

 

[AshleyW]

Remember when Jin was with the french people and the smoke monster got one and spit him out and he instantly turned on his fiance and she had to shoot him?? I think THAT is what they think happened to Sayid/Claire.

Agreed. I remember Rousseau telling Sayid (I think) a few seasons ago she killed members from her team because they were "infected" and "the sickness" got them one by one, so she had to shoot them.

 

[harleyquinn]

Agreed. I remember Rousseau telling Sayid (I think) a few seasons ago she killed members from her team because they were "infected" and "the sickness" got them one by one, so she had to shoot them.

We actually got to see that last season. Remember Jin came upon Rousseau on the beach when she shot her fiance...the bodies of the rest of the team were on the beach.