LOST - Last Season (NO SPOILERS)

[Amy]

The lightbulb finally went off in my head while I was in the shower this morning. Tell me what you think of this:

When Jacob visited the Losties in their pasts and he touched them, Jacob transferred some of his power to each of them, thus "splitting" his power. (Think about Harry Potter, and how Voldemort split himself into 7 horcruxes.)

Thus, the LIST. A list of people who (unknown to them) carry some of Jacob's power. That's why when Sawyer left the temple, Dogen or Lennon made the comment that Sawyer had to be brought back or they were doomed. ALL of the people who carry some of Jacob's power need to be together to fight off Smokey/Black Shirt.

Remember back in Season 2 when Ben and the others gave Michael a list and told him to bring the people on that list and ONLY the people on the list? Hurley went, too, but the Others sent Hurley back to the beach. Well, Hurley wasn't on the list yet because Jacob didn't touch/transfer power to Hurley until the day before the Ajira flight.

Also, remember that Ben has never seen Jacob. What if all along, Ben thinks that he's following Jacob's orders, but it's really been Smokey/Black Shirt pretending to be Jacob? I still think Jacob is good, but Smokey/Black Shirt is doing whatever he can to kill Jacob and win the "war" (or whatever they're on opposite sides of). For all we know, Smokey/Black Shirt has been taking Jacob's form for years, and even fooling Richard into thinking that he's following Jacob's orders!

And that's probably why Dogen and Lennon kept asking Jack how Sayid was shot - maybe if you're killed by Smokey/Black Shirt, then that piece of Jacob's power dies with you (or goes to Smokey/Black Shirt, thus making him more powerful), but if you're killed by an accident or something, then that piece of Jacob's power stays with your dead body? That might explain why Ilana was carting Locke's body through the jungle. Not only to show Richard that Locke was dead, but because some of Jacob's power is still in Locke's body? (This would presume that when Ben killed Locke, Ben believed he was following Jacob's orders.)

What do you all think?

 

[Amy]

Some more thoughts on Smokey/Black Shirt pretending to be Jacob:

Jacob seemed to be a "hands off" guy - let the humans make their own decisions and hopefully learn from them. Even before Ben killed him, Jacob told Ben that he didn't have to do what Locke was telling him to do, that he (Ben) could stop.

Maybe all along, when Richard and the Others thought they were following Jacob's orders, maybe they were really following Smokey/Black Shirt? This conflict between Jacob and Smokey/Black Shirt has been going on for years, maybe centuries.

 

[harleyquinn]

I'm lost.

I've been hooked on the show from the very first episode and have been called upon time after time to explain the show to friends/family members. And have done so with ease. But all that is now lost (pun intended) because this flash-sideways thing has thrown me for a loop. Flashbacks I understand. Flash forwards are cool. But what on earth is a "flash sideways"? Is it actually happening? Is it showing us what could happen? What did happen? At first I thought what happened on the island with Juliet detonating the bomb was what was causing them to be on the plane. It worked, according to Miles, which would be the reason the plane shuddered but didn't crash and we saw the island underwater. But wouldn't that make the scenes flash forwards? Or are they showing us what would have been had they never crashed in the first place?

Anyone care to shed a little light?

Yes, they are.

No not really. The timeline split. They are showing us what DID happen when they didn't crash and what DID happen when they just moved forward in time. Radio Nate explained it really well after the first episode...maybe page 6 or 7?

The lightbulb finally went off in my head while I was in the shower this morning. Tell me what you think of this:

When Jacob visited the Losties in their pasts and he touched them, Jacob transferred some of his power to each of them, thus "splitting" his power. (Think about Harry Potter, and how Voldemort split himself into 7 horcruxes.)

Thus, the LIST. A list of people who (unknown to them) carry some of Jacob's power. That's why when Sawyer left the temple, Dogen or Lennon made the comment that Sawyer had to be brought back or they were doomed. ALL of the people who carry some of Jacob's power need to be together to fight off Smokey/Black Shirt.

Remember back in Season 2 when Ben and the others gave Michael a list and told him to bring the people on that list and ONLY the people on the list? Hurley went, too, but the Others sent Hurley back to the beach. Well, Hurley wasn't on the list yet because Jacob didn't touch/transfer power to Hurley until the day before the Ajira flight.

Also, remember that Ben has never seen Jacob. What if all along, Ben thinks that he's following Jacob's orders, but it's really been Smokey/Black Shirt pretending to be Jacob? I still think Jacob is good, but Smokey/Black Shirt is doing whatever he can to kill Jacob and win the "war" (or whatever they're on opposite sides of). For all we know, Smokey/Black Shirt has been taking Jacob's form for years, and even fooling Richard into thinking that he's following Jacob's orders!

And that's probably why Dogen and Lennon kept asking Jack how Sayid was shot - maybe if you're killed by Smokey/Black Shirt, then that piece of Jacob's power dies with you (or goes to Smokey/Black Shirt, thus making him more powerful), but if you're killed by an accident or something, then that piece of Jacob's power stays with your dead body? That might explain why Ilana was carting Locke's body through the jungle. Not only to show Richard that Locke was dead, but because some of Jacob's power is still in Locke's body? (This would presume that when Ben killed Locke, Ben believed he was following Jacob's orders.)

What do you all think?

Some more thoughts on Smokey/Black Shirt pretending to be Jacob:

Jacob seemed to be a "hands off" guy - let the humans make their own decisions and hopefully learn from them. Even before Ben killed him, Jacob told Ben that he didn't have to do what Locke was telling him to do, that he (Ben) could stop.

Maybe all along, when Richard and the Others thought they were following Jacob's orders, maybe they were really following Smokey/Black Shirt? This conflict between Jacob and Smokey/Black Shirt has been going on for years, maybe centuries.

Those are fandiddilitastic!!! I think you could be right about both concepts. but the first post is inspired! DH and I were talking about how weird it was that Hurley was the only one touched AFTER they got off the island!

I'm going to steal that and tell DH I thought of it!

 

[goofy's friends]

The lightbulb finally went off in my head while I was in the shower this morning. Tell me what you think of this:

When Jacob visited the Losties in their pasts and he touched them, Jacob transferred some of his power to each of them, thus "splitting" his power. (Think about Harry Potter, and how Voldemort split himself into 7 horcruxes.)

Thus, the LIST. A list of people who (unknown to them) carry some of Jacob's power. That's why when Sawyer left the temple, Dogen or Lennon made the comment that Sawyer had to be brought back or they were doomed. ALL of the people who carry some of Jacob's power need to be together to fight off Smokey/Black Shirt.

Remember back in Season 2 when Ben and the others gave Michael a list and told him to bring the people on that list and ONLY the people on the list? Hurley went, too, but the Others sent Hurley back to the beach. Well, Hurley wasn't on the list yet because Jacob didn't touch/transfer power to Hurley until the day before the Ajira flight.

Also, remember that Ben has never seen Jacob. What if all along, Ben thinks that he's following Jacob's orders, but it's really been Smokey/Black Shirt pretending to be Jacob? I still think Jacob is good, but Smokey/Black Shirt is doing whatever he can to kill Jacob and win the "war" (or whatever they're on opposite sides of). For all we know, Smokey/Black Shirt has been taking Jacob's form for years, and even fooling Richard into thinking that he's following Jacob's orders!

And that's probably why Dogen and Lennon kept asking Jack how Sayid was shot - maybe if you're killed by Smokey/Black Shirt, then that piece of Jacob's power dies with you (or goes to Smokey/Black Shirt, thus making him more powerful), but if you're killed by an accident or something, then that piece of Jacob's power stays with your dead body? That might explain why Ilana was carting Locke's body through the jungle. Not only to show Richard that Locke was dead, but because some of Jacob's power is still in Locke's body? (This would presume that when Ben killed Locke, Ben believed he was following Jacob's orders.)

What do you all think?

I definately think you may be on to something!!! I've been thinking that Jacob orchestrated this whole thing, but never put together that he needs the people he touched in the temple together and that they were the ones on the list. GOOD thoughts! One question though....why did Jacob leave them to fend for themselves on the island all that time instead of bringing them to the temple in the first place? I think it has something to do with this end fight between Jacob and black shirt. I just wonder what the whole fight is about

 

[harleyquinn]

I definately think you may be on to something!!! I've been thinking that Jacob orchestrated this whole thing, but never put together that he needs the people he touched in the temple together and that they were the ones on the list. GOOD thoughts! One question though....why did Jacob leave them to fend for themselves on the island all that time instead of bringing them to the temple in the first place? I think it has something to do with this end fight between Jacob and black shirt. I just wonder what the whole fight is about

I think it's partly what she said...that he's hands off, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.

I want to know why he didn't touch Hugo when he touched the others.

 

[wdhinn89]

Great theory AMY!!!

I should have thought of that considering we watched Harry Potter yesterday during our snow day

 

[Amy]

I think it's partly what she said...that he's hands off, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.

I want to know why he didn't touch Hugo when he touched the others.

I'm pretty sure Jacob DID touch Hurley in the cab.

 

[Planogirl]

We don't know for sure that Claire is bad too now do we? Maybe I just don't completely trust the guys at the temple.

I'm still very confused right now... How many episodes are left?

 

[goofy's friends]

We don't know for sure that Claire is bad too now do we? Maybe I just don't completely trust the guys at the temple.

I'm still very confused right now... How many episodes are left?

Since they showed Claire dressed and acting like Roussou, I'm holding out hope that she's just protecting herself and hasn't turned to the dark side However, being dragged away or killed or "infected" is the only way I can see her leaving her baby in the jungle the way she did. But here's hoping to another explanation!

 

[N.Bailey]

That's some deep thinking, Amy. Great job!

I too think there is something to, "the list," and am working my way back thru the show (started again last night to get son on board, but I was up to around Season 1 show 19 or so before I started over). I kept recalling how they were saying that Hurley wasn't on the list way back, but you've cleared that up!

I still think the smoke monster is the light though, while Richard, Jacob, and the Others, could possibly be the dark. Back in season 1, the smoke monster is following Locke. Kate and Michael went back and told everyone that he was dead, that the "thing" got him (they didn't know what it was yet). 2 or 3 episodes later, Jack is hallucinating (not really), and following his father, Christian thru the jungle. This is when he finds the caves (provides fresh water), and his father's casket (with no body in it). Anyway, Locke says (to Jack) in this episode, that he's looked into the center of the island and it was beautiful. I just think that means that 1 of 2 things happened. 1, at that point, Locke's body was taken over by the monster, or 2, the smoke monster is, "Light." I believe it to be the latter.

random thought?
BTW, whoever took over Christian's body, or simply appeared in his image (we don't know which since we don't know where Christian's body is, - unless I am forgetting something?) it appears whoever did that, was trying to help Jack by bringing him to the fresh water. Wouldn't that represent, "light?" Is there any ascertainable info that can be gleaned from when the dead could appear in the form of an apparition vs. when the body itself could be inhibited?

Visits with touches (producers themselves have asked us if he touched everyone he met? I think it's worth double checking):

Kate - when Jacob buys the lunchbox she stole as a child to keep her from getting into trouble.

Sawyer - gives him the pen at his parents funeral

Jack - he loses money in a vending machine, Jacob then puts money in and given 2 candy bars and he returns one to Jack

Ilana - At the hospital, but she already had met him (he had gloved hands, right?) Some are insisting that he did NOT touch her at the hospital, but I dunno? When I get there while watching back, I will pay extra attention.

Sayid - Right as Nadia is killed by a hit and run driver

Sun and Jin - at their wedding

Hurley - In the taxi when he's talking about returning to the Island

Locke - Right after his father pushed him out the window

In reading from another site: Back in season 2 (Two for the Road), Jacob is described as, powerful and unforgiving. God (representing light) is absolutely forgiving. Another point that I read on that site and it only mentioned it, there was no analysis of the information was, Jacob will only speak to someone at the time of his choosing. God (good or light) doesn't operate like that. God accepts us the way we are at the time of our choosing. No one else can even speak directly with Jacob. Only those that Jacob chooses. Again, "Light" doesn't operate under those conditions.

 

[N.Bailey]

Since they showed Claire dressed and acting like Roussou, I'm holding out hope that she's just protecting herself and hasn't turned to the dark side However, being dragged away or killed or "infected" is the only way I can see her leaving her baby in the jungle the way she did. But here's hoping to another explanation!

I think something has definitely happened to Claire. Danielle however immediately started calling for Alex when Sayid was taken as her prisoner. I think the story has been quite clear in that Alex was taken from her. Nothing that I've seen (or remember and could be forgetting something), ever suggested that she willingly gave Alex up. I'm not sure how that would explain Claire leaving Aaron?

 

[goofy's friends]

I think something has definitely happened to Claire. Danielle however immediately started calling for Alex when Sayid was taken as her prisoner. I think the story has been quite clear in that Alex was taken from her. Nothing that I've seen (or remember and could be forgetting something), ever suggested that she willingly gave Alex up. I'm not sure how that would explain Claire leaving Aaron?

ugh, just typed out long response and lost it!!! ARGH!

Briefly....I was saying that I HOPE Claire isn't infected due to how she was acting like Roussau and Roussau wasn't infected......but I can only see her leaving Aaron if it was something bad that happened to her--I hope not.

I see what you are saying about light/dark. But I still believe Jacob is the light (and maybe even representative of God). The people he touched are the "chosen" few that he is using for his purpose...whatever that might be. I don't see how the smoke monster could be anything but evil after it has instantly killed many or turned them instantly evil after coming in contact with it.

I beleive this whole thing is going to come down to free will vs. destiny

 

[N.Bailey]

ugh, just typed out long response and lost it!!! ARGH!

Briefly....I was saying that I HOPE Claire isn't infected due to how she was acting like Roussau and Roussau wasn't infected......but I can only see her leaving Aaron if it was something bad that happened to her--I hope not.

I see what you are saying about light/dark. But I still believe Jacob is the light (and maybe even representative of God). The people he touched are the "chosen" few that he is using for his purpose...whatever that might be. I don't see how the smoke monster could be anything but evil after it has instantly killed many or turned them instantly evil after coming in contact with it.

I beleive this whole thing is going to come down to free will vs. destiny

I agree that the smoke monster has killed in ways we can't comprehend. That started in the pilot episode with the pilot of the Oceanic 815 (who I thought I saw outside the statue with Richard in the first episode of season 6 (could be wrong though, I tried hard to focus solely on him but it was hard). I think a lot of deaths could be attributed to Jacob, Richard, or The Others, too though. I think a good writer could build a case for any of the above at this point.

Thanks for adding more about Claire/Danielle (I find that easier to spell, lol). You've got a great point that just went right over my head. Perhaps Danielle was NOT infected at all. Something definitely happened to make Danielle warrior like though, and it does seem that Claire has followed in that path. It wasn't a coincidence that the traps appeared to be those of Danielle's when she's been dead for a considerable period of time.

I do believe those touched make up some sort of, "List," too. I'm just wondering if they don't fit the loophole that one side or the other has come up with to get rid of the other? It's obvious that they cannot kill each other. The chosen ones (those touched), could probably be used by either side. Agree that it's going to come down to freewill, but there is going to be trickery involved. So, while they may choose one path or the other, they may not really know which path they're really choosing for a while. Ultimately, that will probably come full circle by the season finale.

Regardless if Jacob is good or evil, he's certainly not dead at this point in the game. Let me rephrase that, good or evil is not dead at this point in the game, regardless of what mask it wears.

 

[gometros]

That's some deep thinking, Amy. Great job!

I too think there is something to, "the list," and am working my way back thru the show (started again last night to get son on board, but I was up to around Season 1 show 19 or so before I started over). I kept recalling how they were saying that Hurley wasn't on the list way back, but you've cleared that up!

I still think the smoke monster is the light though, while Richard, Jacob, and the Others, could possibly be the dark. Back in season 1, the smoke monster is following Locke. Kate and Michael went back and told everyone that he was dead, that the "thing" got him (they didn't know what it was yet). 2 or 3 episodes later, Jack is hallucinating (not really), and following his father, Christian thru the jungle. This is when he finds the caves (provides fresh water), and his father's casket (with no body in it). Anyway, Locke says (to Jack) in this episode, that he's looked into the center of the island and it was beautiful. I just think that means that 1 of 2 things happened. 1, at that point, Locke's body was taken over by the monster, or 2, the smoke monster is, "Light." I believe it to be the latter.

random thought?
BTW, whoever took over Christian's body, or simply appeared in his image (we don't know which since we don't know where Christian's body is, - unless I am forgetting something?) it appears whoever did that, was trying to help Jack by bringing him to the fresh water. Wouldn't that represent, "light?" Is there any ascertainable info that can be gleaned from when the dead could appear in the form of an apparition vs. when the body itself could be inhibited?

Visits with touches (producers themselves have asked us if he touched everyone he met? I think it's worth double checking):

Kate - when Jacob buys the lunchbox she stole as a child to keep her from getting into trouble.

Sawyer - gives him the pen at his parents funeral

Jack - he loses money in a vending machine, Jacob then puts money in and given 2 candy bars and he returns one to Jack

Ilana - At the hospital, but she already had met him (he had gloved hands, right?) Some are insisting that he did NOT touch her at the hospital, but I dunno? When I get there while watching back, I will pay extra attention.

Sayid - Right as Nadia is killed by a hit and run driver

Sun and Jin - at their wedding

Hurley - In the taxi when he's talking about returning to the Island

Locke - Right after his father pushed him out the window

In reading from another site: Back in season 2 (Two for the Road), Jacob is described as, powerful and unforgiving. God (representing light) is absolutely forgiving. Another point that I read on that site and it only mentioned it, there was no analysis of the information was, Jacob will only speak to someone at the time of his choosing. God (good or light) doesn't operate like that. God accepts us the way we are at the time of our choosing. No one else can even speak directly with Jacob. Only those that Jacob chooses. Again, "Light" doesn't operate under those conditions.

I'm still not sold on the fact that Jacob is bad and Esau is good. However, one way your theory holds water is that we know Jacob can leave the island and Jack so his "father" off the island. We don't know if Esau can leave the island. At least we have no evidence of that.

I do believe the Others are good, especially because the writers show them making hard choices that don't seem so 'good'. Yet, they made an effort to save the children. And Ben, Locke and other who appear to be on the opposite side of this conflict have acted in much more heinous ways. I mean let's not forget that Ben is a mass murderer.

 

[WriteDisney]

new lost tonight!!

 

[PixieDust32]

WOW! Interesting thoughts New episode tonight.

 

[Muushka]

Is Lost on twice, 8 and 9? That is what my tv guide says......

 

[BigDogHU75]

Is Lost on twice, 8 and 9? That is what my tv guide says......

They show the previous episode with the comments (I forget what they are called). And, then they show the new episode at 9.

 

[Muushka]

They show the previous episode with the comments (I forget what they are called). And, then they show the new episode at 9.

Thank you

 

[N.Bailey]

I've been so busy that when I looked at the clock, I downright started freaking out that I'd missed tonight's episode (even though I am recording it and could probably find it online afterward). I am SUPER eager to see it tonight. This is the show the producers were speaking of when they said that Losties would become even more obnoxious after seeing. One place in Chicago even opened some sort of hall up so people could escape living with their Lostie family members for a bit.