Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I was merely responding to you saying that Jodi did something stupid like give a 3 year old gum. And actually, I don't at all think Kate is abusive, I don't think she is a great mother either, I think she is mean and cold,and I do agree she has a whole corn field of them up her hiney. But I also don't think as badly of Jodi and Kevin as you do. Maybe they should have said something earlier, but maybe they thought since the kids weren't truly in danger that they would let it slide. And then just like me, they thought her behavior got worse and worse and decided to say something. We really have no way of knowing the truth on either side.

I take the harm of children seriously and once someone gossip's or is paid for their story rather than going to proper authorities, I will be skeptical of anything they have to say on the record.

I also don't think whatever anyone's opinon of Kate's parenting skills are--has anything to do with how children on reality television should be treated or what the law should say. (i.e. Gumgate--while not necessarily how I would have treated the situation....no law would prohibit from Kate tossing that toy nor should it. She has parent has the right to determine the consequences and whether or not she considers something ruined enough to toss it. )

Parents have rights. I do not approve of the law restricting parental rights out of opinion on what is good parenting and what is not.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree with this plus I feel that given Kate's track record of discarding people, they may have wanted to tread carefully. She is a force to be reckoned with as gumgate proved, you don't cross Kate and you certainly don't come between her and a paycheck.

If children are being harmed, why would they be more worried about their relationship than the safety of the kids?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Exactly, it's not like their separation and divorce dragged on for years like some couple's. Plus I thought that they (since it was a high profile client) would have done it for a fraction of the cost since they got so much free exposure. There is a part of me that thinks it was an exaggeration since TLC wanted her to do well in the divorce and had their attorneys working behind the scenes on other issues.

You know--I have no experience in this as I am happily married .

But high profile attorneys (as in representing "famous" or "infamous" people)--I'm not sure they provide discounts due to the fame of their client. They might, but what do I know.

Marriage and family law would be a different animal than the laws that TLC lawyers deal with--so not sure how much they would have helped.

I wonder how much of the attorney fee deals with the money involved...

I.e. a basic divorce invovling no assets or limited assets (even if it took a long time to get the whole darn thing settled) costs a low amount...but if there were millions involved, the attorney can charge more?

I don't know--but very interesting and I had thought that prior to all this divore and separation talk that Kate had stated that she would like to do something else in that field. But it's all a blur--and I'm pregnant and my brain is lagging (as can be see via my few missteps, misstatements, wrong timings--etc this afternoon ).

 

[mhsjax]

I take the harm of children seriously and once someone gossip's or is paid for their story rather than going to proper authorities, I will be skeptical of anything they have to say on the record.

I also don't think whatever anyone's opinon of Kate's parenting skills are--has anything to do with how children on reality television should be treated or what the law should say. (i.e. Gumgate--while not necessarily how I would have treated the situation....no law would prohibit from Kate tossing that toy nor should it. She has parent has the right to determine the consequences and whether or not she considers something ruined enough to toss it. )

Parents have rights. I do not approve of the law restricting parental rights out of opinion on what is good parenting and what is not.

I never said that I approve of laws restricting parental rights. I think it just shows Kates true colors. It isn't like Jodi and Kevin are trying to get custody or have Kate thrown in jail, I don't know where all this is comming from. To me it seems that they are using the kids as a means to get laws to improve on kids working conditions. Heavens even parent of murdered children have used them as a way to get new legislation. No one said they had to throw kate in jail for threatening to toss the toy, but actions like that make people believe Jodie and Kevin more than Kate. Not once did you see Jodi yell or scream. Those rotten kids even kicked a hole in Jodi's wall. I even remember Jodi and Kevin defending Jon and Kate early on which is why I still believe that they just saw things get worse. And like a pp posted, how do we know that they didn't go to Jon and Kate and voice their concerns. I find it so ironic that we see Jodi and Kevin being wonderful to the kids, Jodi even took them every Friday until noon so Kate could have time alone. They do one thing that you disagree with and they are straight from hell, Yet Kate is a nasty which, a terrible mother, greedy and attention grabbing, yet she is doing nothing wrong. No she should go to jail or lose the kids, but Kevin and Jodi aren't asking for that are they?

 

[mhsjax]

If children are being harmed, why would they be more worried about their relationship than the safety of the kids?

Because sometimes you can get farther by treading carefully. Lets say they really are being harmed, not in a life or death way, buy psychologically. I think you would have a hard time getting the authorities to do anything about kids being filmed and having their privacy invaded, but if you tread lightly, maybe you can influence that person and still have contact with the kids so you could keep a watch on them.

 

[Dee77]

If children are being harmed, why would they be more worried about their relationship than the safety of the kids?

I think your use of the word harmed is a very powerful one that has a connotation of abuse or neglect. We are all in agreement that they were neither. The "harm" is in the events of having a crew of strangers in their home, recording all the good, bad and ugly and actually perpetuating a lot of the negative for TV Ratings, all the while with parents that were so focused on the paychecks that they were willing to sacrifice their privacy. This was confirmed by Kate just tonight as I mentioned earlier.

There are psychological effects, there has to be just look at the "child stars" we have seen in the media over the last 20 years. Kate always comes back and says that they all always agreed to the taping of the show, but you couldn't pay me to believe that the children never objected. I imagine that if she presented all the goodies, trips and fun stuff as a result of being on the show, the kids would go along. They're kids and just like she manipulates the public, I am sure she manipulates the kids.

 

[mhsjax]

Parents of murdered children didn't keep their children unsafe and then allow the murderer to commit murder and then seek to change legislation to block that from happening again.

Accusing people of things after cooperating in the commitment of those things...got a problem with that.

I never said Kate was a Saint, mother of the year, or the mother of my dreams. I never said she didn't do anything wrong either. In fact, I'm not defending her actions. I'm just defending her rights to do those actions.

I find them to do this as a screw you to Kate more than an "I love you to the kids".

We dont know what they did--b/c they don't tell us. People fly on their credibilty b/c they hate Kate and loved Jodi.

But we don't really know what happened between them do we. WE know what we are told, but I bet you there was a lot more than was ever told. I heard that Kate went absolutely stark raving mad at the mention of paying Jodi. And do we really know that they started complaining right after all of that. And how do you explain Beth disappearing, I am sorry but if they were as close as Kate said they were, then Beth would still be there unless something happened. I could and would say that Kate used Beth for her big house and having a friend with lots of money, then as Kate came into her own, her use for Beth was gone. Kate seems to get rid of people when she is done with them. And you will never convince me other wise.

 

[mhsjax]

I think your use of the word harmed is a very powerful one that has a connotation of abuse or neglect. We are all in agreement that they were neither. The "harm" is in the events of having a crew of strangers in their home, recording all the good, bad and ugly and actually perpetuating a lot of the negative for TV Ratings, all the while with parents that were so focused on the paychecks that they were willing to sacrifice their privacy. This was confirmed by Kate just tonight as I mentioned earlier.

There are psychological effects, there has to be just look at the "child stars" we have seen in the media over the last 20 years. Kate always comes back and says that they all always agreed to the taping of the show, but you couldn't pay me to believe that the children never objected. I imagine that if she presented all the goodies, trips and fun stuff as a result of being on the show, the kids would go along. They're kids and just like she manipulates the public, I am sure she manipulates the kids.

Exactly, remember when she said the kids were so upset that they had to cancel the trip to NYC becuase TLC could no longer film. And also how the crew were their friends. I am sorry but little kids need friends of their own age not crew members.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

But we don't really know what happened between them do we. WE know what we are told, but I bet you there was a lot more than was ever told. I heard that Kate went absolutely stark raving mad at the mention of paying Jodi. And do we really know that they started complaining right after all of that. And how do you explain Beth disappearing, I am sorry but if they were as close as Kate said they were, then Beth would still be there unless something happened. I could and would say that Kate used Beth for her big house and having a friend with lots of money, then as Kate came into her own, her use for Beth was gone. Kate seems to get rid of people when she is done with them. And you will never convince me other wise.

Funny that for two years, Kate has been silent regarding Kevin and Jodi. But they've spoken up quite a few times (and then vicariously through a blog prior to that).

She makes a comment on a talk show last evening--first I've heard (feel free to post more, but she has been very silent IIRC prior to that). And again--Kate is wrong for making such a comment.

Beth's disappearance had been explained somewhere I came across b/c she went back to school. Dont' remember the specifics.

Also--when they moved into the house, it may not have been beth--but one fo the alleged cut outs from Kate's life--was there. The camera caught them, but they quickly got out of the camera's way. But they were their long enough to notice and make prudent folks wonder if everyone is truly cut out of Kate's life.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Just that I have an opinion and my opinion is valid. But you guys keep trying to convey it as not.

You can have your opinion. Mine won't changed.

I've never blindly trusted Kate--and as nice as a Georgia peach as Jodi seemed on tv, I don't blindly trust her either.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Exactly, remember when she said the kids were so upset that they had to cancel the trip to NYC becuase TLC could no longer film. And also how the crew were their friends. I am sorry but little kids need friends of their own age not crew members.

They do have friends their own age.

 

[walden]

I agree, they are way more credible than Kate. And if Kevin is such a money grubber(and I am not sure that he is) THen why did Kate refuse to allow them to be paid. And yes you are correct, Jodi took those kids when they were sick, so Jon could have his hair transplants.

Phew! Thanks.

I see no evidence of money grubbing. I see two concerned parents in Jodi and Kevin who now regret their partial participation in a "documentary" gone wild. Two kind-hearted people who provided childcare without compensation, and never required or requested it. Two kind hearted people who blame TLC, and the lack of proper legal representation, for Jon and Kate's participation in this trainwreck, but who do not blame Jon or Kate.

I don't see any evidence that they were ever in it, or are in it now, for money. Testifying at a state congressional hearing is never paid for. They were there from genuine concern.

 

[OhMari]

I heard Kate mention the legal bills too tonite on Access. Her and Jon were not legally divorced, so when TLC sued Jon, she probably has to pay 1/2 of those legal bills.

Jon should of done this a year ago, instead of moving to NYC. Maybe he has learned from some of his dumb mistakes.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/04/exclusive-jon-gosselin-finds-new-place-live

Jon Gosselin is moving into his own place near the home he used to share with Kate and their 8 kids, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

In an exclusive interview, Jon’s lawyer Anthony F. List told RadarOnline.com that Gosselin has “rented a large apartment in Reading PA with several bedrooms” and that “he signed the lease just the other day.”

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“He’s secured a property in Reading. There’s a lot of room with lots of open space. It’s really beautiful,” List told RadarOnline.com.

Last week Jon filed court papers requesting physical custody of the Gosselin kids as well as the right to live in Kate’s guest house. As RadarOnline.com reported, Jon has been living with his brother since breaking up with girlfriend Morgan Christie.

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Kate’s attorney, Mark Momjian called the filing “procedurely flawed” and told RadarOnline.com that, among other things, Jon hadn’t even listed a current address.

Jon’s attorney, clearly annoyed, responded to Momjian’s statements, saying: “Grow up. For obvious reasons, we did not want to put down Jon’s address. It would have created havoc for him, his neighbors and his brother. I think it was an unfair comment for Momjian to make when he knows full well that it has nothing to do with the merit of what I filed.”

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On Thursday, Momjian continued to articulate his position, saying that Jon should continue to pay child support no matter what Kate is earning now.

“I would agree that Jon needs to pay child support,” List told RadarOnline.com. “There’s no question about it…it’s an obligation of both parents. But it has to be based on what their ability to pay is, what their income is. Throughout the entire proceedings with Jon and Kate, there’s never been any information put on the table about either one’s income or expenses.

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“Kate has tremendous sources of income and as long as she’s portrayed as this wonderful mother and this flawless golden girl then her value continues to rise.”

List says that overall Jon is just trying to “be a good guy.”

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“He’s not trying to take the kids away from Kate, he’s not trying to destroy the relationship they have with them,” List told RadarOnline.com. “The nice thing is that there have been nice compliments going back and forth with both of them. Kate has said that Jon really loves their children and is a good father.

“But they need to get to the issues at hand and stop fighting over things that are tearing them apart and most importantly, tearing the kids apart.”

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I just caught part of Part 2 with Billy Bush on Access Hollywood, he asked if she ever feels it is difficult to reconcile selling their privacy to TLC and her answer was that she could have stopped it but the paparazzi and fan inundation would still be there without the paycheck and to them it didn't make sense.

When asked if she could retire and the kids be OK she answered sadly no, because she has major, major, major legal debt. If she could disappear and be financially set she wouldn't be seen again.

They immediately followed up this segment with viewer messages saying they are sick of seeing Kate on DWTS and their show. Billy said it's 90% against Kate, she's in the top three along with Jon and Heidi Montag...

Did she really say that? Wow, I take that to mean that since she and the kids are tabloid fodder anyway, why not make money off it? Scrap the kid's privacy then! That's bizarre. If she were truly concerned with their privacy (which she claims in her new book) then she wouldn't even consider Kate+8, right? Doesn't sound like the logical conclusion? I think she's deluding herself. I honestly think she believes that this is her only way to provide for them and that it has nothing to do with their privacy. Heck, maybe she even thinks the kids should be paying their way anyway! That was a joke but I hope she doesn't really think that, can you imagine?

Regarding her legal debt, wasn't there talk that TLC was helping to foot her lawyer's bill? Or was that us all speculating? Goodness, we never do THAT on the thread!

I suppose the bottom line is that Kate KNOWS she doesn't have a leg to stand on without the kids. They made the show adorable, sweet and drew viewers in. Her kids are darling, they really are? Anyhow, she has to keep using them to get money or a foothold in the door. It'll be interesting to see how her Twisted Kate show goes.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Regarding her legal debt, wasn't there talk that TLC was helping to foot her lawyer's bill? Or was that us all speculating? Goodness, we never do THAT on the thread!

If it wasn't exploitation on the Gosseline clan...

We could have a serious betting ring going on on the disboards. Or is that against the rules of the board?



Odds are 2000:1 that Kate will win DWTS. Who's in?

 

[walden]

They do have friends their own age.

How do you know this?

 

[DMRick]

It isn't like Jodi and Kevin are trying to get custody

Now that is something that never crossed my mind.

Those rotten kids even kicked a hole in Jodi's wall.

Ouch..hey, those kids are sweeties. I've seen a lot worse. Just because someone doesn't like Kate, no need to make the kids out to be villians.

I even remember Jodi and Kevin defending Jon and Kate early on which is why I still believe that they just saw things get worse.

I think they defended them early on, because they were part of it then. They didn't see anything wrong with it then, not until they were removed and no longer on the show. Sour grapes maybe?

They do one thing that you disagree with and they are straight from hell,

I also felt that Jodi gave info to her sister for her blog. I don't think it was just one thing wrong. I do think giving the interview (and they said in yet another interview they were paid) was a pretty big 'one little thing'.

Yet Kate is a nasty which, a terrible mother, greedy and attention grabbing, yet she is doing nothing wrong. No she should go to jail or lose the kids, but Kevin and Jodi aren't asking for that are they?

No, really, tell us how you really feel about Kate. And I haven't seen anyone here say that Kate is doing nothing wrong. Even I recognize she is not a perfect mother, wasn't a perfect wife.

 

[Buckalew11]

How do you know this?

They had friends from school come to their b-day party. I'm sure their kids have friends. Most kids do--esp. when they attend school. Heck, mine has friends and she's homeschooled.

 

[mhsjax]

Now that is something that never crossed my mind.



Ouch..hey, those kids are sweeties. I've seen a lot worse. Just because someone doesn't like Kate, no need to make the kids out to be villians.



I think they defended them early on, because they were part of it then. They didn't see anything wrong with it then, not until they were removed and no longer on the show. Sour grapes maybe?


I also felt that Jodi gave info to her sister for her blog. I don't think it was just one thing wrong. I do think giving the interview (and they said in


No, really, tell us how you really feel about Kate. And I haven't seen anyone here say that Kate is doing nothing wrong. Even I recognize she is not a perfect mother, wasn't a perfect wife.

Problem is I don't think those kids are sweeties anymore, and even early one they cried way too much and were so mean to each other, my three would sometimes hit but they beet all I have ever seen. They really started acting nasty towards the end. Maddie has always been nasty, good thing she isn't mine, we would have (as my friend calls it) A come to Jesus meeting.

 

[Buckalew11]

I think they got mean after Jodi gave them gum. What was in that gum anyway??

 

[DMRick]

but who do not blame Jon or Kate.

Huh? They did not blame Jon or Kate? In the interview they originally did?

I don't see any evidence that they were ever in it, or are in it now, for money. Testifying at a state congressional hearing is never paid for. They were there from genuine concern.

When asked (I believe on the Today show..but I"m not sure which one) if they were paid, they said yes. They have never denied they were paid.
They also may not have been paid yesterday for the hearing, but I wonder if another interview, now that they are in the news again, will be forthcoming. We'll have to wait to see. I have no idea either way, if the concern was or wasn't genuine.