Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[mhsjax]

Now that is something that never crossed my mind.



Ouch..hey, those kids are sweeties. I've seen a lot worse. Just because someone doesn't like Kate, no need to make the kids out to be villians.



I think they defended them early on, because they were part of it then. They didn't see anything wrong with it then, not until they were removed and no longer on the show. Sour grapes maybe?


I also felt that Jodi gave info to her sister for her blog. I don't think it was just one thing wrong. I do think giving the interview (and they said in yet another interview they were paid) was a pretty big 'one little thing'.



No, really, tell us how you really feel about Kate. And I haven't seen anyone here say that Kate is doing nothing wrong. Even I recognize she is not a perfect mother, wasn't a perfect wife.

I was responding to a post about Jodi and Kevin doing so much wrong, when they seem so nice on TV and helped Kate out so much yet they are so wrong for being concerned about the kids. Yet Kate is so nasty and does stuff for money and it is ok somehow. And you will never convince me that what she is doing is for the kids.. AGain, she loves the limelight and I believe the paps to a certain extent. Funny she says they won't go away, yet before DWTS it had really calmed down quite a bit.

I have said it all along, Kate just needs to admit she loves the celeb status, that the statues and attention she craves isn't for the kids. that part is for herself. I don't believe for one second that she would stay at home and fade out (as she mentioned) if she had enough money. She has to be in the spotlight, but she needs to own it. Whick to me is part of the reason that Jodi and Kevin aren't around anymore, I thinkl seh realized that people liked them better and that when TLC wanted to pay them, it sent her over the edge.

 

[mhsjax]

Huh? They did not blame Jon or Kate? In the interview they originally did?


When asked (I believe on the Today show..but I"m not sure which one) if they were paid, they said yes. They have never denied they were paid.
They also may not have been paid yesterday for the hearing, but I wonder if another interview, now that they are in the news again, will be forthcoming. We'll have to wait to see. I have no idea either way, if the concern was or wasn't genuine.

So what they were paid, I bet they would have done it without pay. If they got paid for it so what. I don't believe that money was their motive and I never will.

 

[DMRick]

How do you know this?

They have mentioned friends, and in one scene one of the kids mentioned a friend coming and the other said, no, no names.

 

[DMRick]

Problem is I don't think those kids are sweeties anymore, and even early one they cried way too much and were so mean to each other, my three would sometimes hit but they beet all I have ever seen. They really started acting nasty towards the end. Maddie has always been nasty, good thing she isn't mine, we would have (as my friend calls it) A come to Jesus meeting.

Just wow. Sure they have always been loud. Mady has always had an attitude, but I never thought to call her nasty. Even when they hit each other, I hate to go back to that, but that's the parts TLC chose to show us. But I happen to still think they are sweet. Heck the Duggar kids are also loud and they also hit. My kids of course were perfect, except for when they were arguing with each other and hitting.

 

[DMRick]

So what they were paid, I bet they would have done it without pay. If they got paid for it so what. I don't believe that money was their motive and I never will.

The amount after the first interview, mentioned was $30,000. They didn't deny that amount when asked.
For you the money didn't matter. For me if they had done it without pay, I might be looking at them a little differently. I do think the money made a difference.

 

[DMRick]

I've decided that for me, I don't want to get into the kids behavior. They haven't caused this, and I don't think they should be called nasty or rotten or any other names. Yes they are loud kids, and sometimes we see attitudes, but I don't think the other names are needed. I would not like to see the hate for their mother spill over onto them.

 

[Buckalew11]

Just wow. Sure they have always been loud. Mady has always had an attitude, but I never thought to call her nasty. Even when they hit each other, I hate to go back to that, but that's the parts TLC chose to show us. But I happen to still think they are sweet. Heck the Duggar kids are also loud and they also hit. My kids of course were perfect, except for when they were arguing with each other and hitting.

I bet this happened after you gave them gum.

Sorry, I'm going to bed. I'm a bit punchy and Jodi & I do not mix well. Gumgate and the ice cream were the 2 things that made me like the show. The ice cream show at WDW was the 1st one I ever saw and I connected right then. I have since mellowed.

 

[Dee77]

I've decided that for me, I don't want to get into the kids behavior. They haven't caused this, and I don't think they should be called nasty or rotten or any other names. Yes they are loud kids, and sometimes we see attitudes, but I don't think the other names are needed. I would not like to see the hate for their mother spill over onto them.

I second this sentiment. Kids are kids, no one's kids are perfect, not even my little angel, the same is said of me as a mother, not perfect. They act up and 8 playing off eachother will bring out very interesting reactions. It is not anything any parent hasn't witnessed in their own children and it is not fair to categorize them for things that were enabled by the TLC network.

 

[DMRick]

I bet this happened after you gave them gum.

Sorry, I'm going to bed. I'm a bit punchy and Jodi & I do not mix well. Gumgate and the ice cream were the 2 things that made me like the show. The ice cream show at WDW was the 1st one I ever saw and I connected right then. I have since mellowed.

No, I didn't allow my kids to have gum..at least not after my daughter went to bed with it, got it in her hair and on the pillowcase, and we had to cut it out LOL.

They hit each other just for the fun of it. I never thought they would grow up and be friends. I'm shocked they are so close to their brother, after they tied a rope around him, made him their monkey and dragged him (out front) down the driveway. That took a hospital visit (I was at work, and the story is my husband took forever to get his shoes on (because he wasn't outside watching him..he left that up to their bigger sisters, who turned him into a monkey) and get out there. The blood stained the driveway. They didn't bother to call me at work, because they knew I wouldn't leave my wonderful job and come home. I first found out about it when I saw the blood.
I think I'm starting to see why I have stuck up for Kate LOL. I don't know why my kids didn't write a book..we certainly have enough material.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

They had friends from school come to their b-day party. I'm sure their kids have friends. Most kids do--esp. when they attend school. Heck, mine has friends and she's homeschooled.

I remember seeing their little friends too from school at the sextuplets b-day party. Didn't Alexis introduce one of them to Jon or Kate? I thought she did and that it was very, very sweet.

My girls are homeschooled too and have lots of friends both in the neighborhood and other homeschooled kids. I'm sure the Gosselin kids have friends. Do the nannies count as friends? If so, then they have PLENTY of friends!

 

[mhsjax]

I've decided that for me, I don't want to get into the kids behavior. They haven't caused this, and I don't think they should be called nasty or rotten or any other names. Yes they are loud kids, and sometimes we see attitudes, but I don't think the other names are needed. I would not like to see the hate for their mother spill over onto them.

Well I will keep my mouth shut on the kids, you are right it isn't nice for me to do that. However, I will admit that these kids aren't the only ones subject to my opinions. I call kids like I see them, and when I see bad behavior I say it. Calling them names isn't right, I apologize, but they are very ill behaved kids. And I don't blame TLC, I blame Kate. It is the parents fault when they don't behave. Not anyone else. I also didn't always feel this way about the, kthey were so cute and really lovable, but the last year I saw behavior that was completely unacceptable, but I will leave it at that.

 

[mhsjax]

Ok, I am all Kate and Jon's out. They really don't deserve this much of my time. This is just what Kate wants. Anyway, good night. My laundry is calling.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I've decided that for me, I don't want to get into the kids behavior. They haven't caused this, and I don't think they should be called nasty or rotten or any other names. Yes they are loud kids, and sometimes we see attitudes, but I don't think the other names are needed. I would not like to see the hate for their mother spill over onto them.

I agree with you Doris. Kate's kids are acting pretty normal. Mine have done similar things and I hope that doesn't reflect badly on me! Actually, regarding the comment upthread about putting a hole in the wall, my youngest DD slowly picked a patch of her wall until she made a nice golf ball sized hole! Mine get loud on ocassion too. Anyhow, I agree with what you're saying, let's try not to project how we feel about Kate on her kids. And I'm glad I'm not on a reality tv show to capture it! Although, maybe I will make you that youtube video of me dancing, lol!

 

[walden]

They had friends from school come to their b-day party. I'm sure their kids have friends. Most kids do--esp. when they attend school. Heck, mine has friends and she's homeschooled.

They have mentioned friends, and in one scene one of the kids mentioned a friend coming and the other said, no, no names.

I have to repeat my question gently -- How do you KNOW they have friends of their own ages? I saw a couple of mothers at the birthday event and a few miscellaneous kids. I can't say I saw much interaction among the Gosselin kids and the other children. Frankly, that could have been a rent-an-extra situation. For all we know.

I think Cara and Mady are sweeties and could well have friends of their own ages, as can the tups who are darling. Their living situation is precarious and isolated though. Unless one has spoken to the children themselves, then one cannot claim to know their friendships. The camera crew could be their "friends," for all we know.

 

[madge]

Ok, I am all Kate and Jon's out. They really don't deserve this much of my time. This is just what Kate wants.

same here. I just slogged through 6 pages and realized I am done. For now.

 

[walden]

No, I didn't allow my kids to have gum..at least not after my daughter went to bed with it, got it in her hair and on the pillowcase, and we had to cut it out LOL.

They hit each other just for the fun of it. I never thought they would grow up and be friends. I'm shocked they are so close to their brother, after they tied a rope around him, made him their monkey and dragged him (out front) down the driveway. That took a hospital visit (I was at work, and the story is my husband took forever to get his shoes on (because he wasn't outside watching him..he left that up to their bigger sisters, who turned him into a monkey) and get out there. The blood stained the driveway. They didn't bother to call me at work, because they knew I wouldn't leave my wonderful job and come home. I first found out about it when I saw the blood.
I think I'm starting to see why I have stuck up for Kate LOL. I don't know why my kids didn't write a book..we certainly have enough material.

Wow!

Perhaps you should give your kids time -- they may still write the book! JOKE!

 

[kidshop]

I see it as this....

You--kidshop, have a relative whom you feel is doing something that harms the children so much and so bad--that it is a reportable offense and worthy of investigation.

Instead of reporting it, you blog about it to warn the public. The harm continues--b/c you failed to do anything that could stop it, but rather just gossiped about it.

You are now complicit b/c you allowed it to continue, when you as a first hand witness could have done something about it.

Jodi and Kevin were part of their lives for THREE years. I believe they went off in season 4--but don't quote me on that. Whatever season gumgate was in--which is when the sextuplets were 3 (based on a google double check).

The show ended within months of the Sextuplets turning 5. (filming of the children ordered to cease on Oct 1--about 5 months later)

So I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers....


In any case--no it isn't better to "never" to speak up.

I found it irresponsible for Jodi and Kevin to handle it the way they did, in the manner in which they did which makes me question the sincerity of what they are doing.

With 8 kids on the line--it's easy to be swayed by teh belief that they are doing this "for the children" as so many believed Kate to be doing.

But just b/c Jodi and Kevin are seeking to improve laws--doesn't mean they are doing squat for the kids. Their on a fame train and what better way to do that, than to stroke your ego in the name of children. Just b/c something "good" and "beneficial" will come out of it--doesn't make their quest noble.

They failed for their nieces and nephews. Nothing they do now will ever change that.

Believing their intent is genuine is no different than believing what Jon and Kate is saying as always 100% true.

Who allows for harm, but then only says something after they are out of the picture via a vindictive and malicious person (Jodi's sis')?

It's not like Jon and Kate were a cult and brainwashed Kevin and Jodi. They were two grown adults capable of making their own decisions.

I think their parents failed them. Kate didn't stop anything, Jon only stopped for what it gained for him.

Sometimes 2 wrongs do make a right. I have not seen Jodi and Kevin waver in their message since they first came out on julie's blog. They are not always in the news; they have spoken out in very pointed few and far between interviews. They partnered with Allred last fall and this is the first we have heard from them since that time. Julie has not been blogging in a long time. This is all good, and I think they have matured and grown throughout this ordeal. They have a focus and I don't see fame whoring here. Maybe they started off too slow or went to the wrong people (ROL), but they have continued on the path.

The harm is insidious and cumulative done to these reality freak- show participants. This genre is new to everyone. I can't blame them for not knowing right away or not doing more. They, along with Jon and kate had no idea where this was going.

What have Jon or Kate ever done to try to right any wrongs or help even their own children in any way? Jon seems to have forgotten he stopped filming b/c of the effect on the kids. Kate has no such reservations so at least she has stayed the course.

Jodi and Kevin aren't calling for any ill to befall either Jon or Kate.

I do agree it is fascinating how many people are quiet and remain so, supporting neither side of the family.

 

[mhsjax]

I agree with you Doris. Kate's kids are acting pretty normal. Mine have done similar things and I hope that doesn't reflect badly on me! Actually, regarding the comment upthread about putting a hole in the wall, my youngest DD slowly picked a patch of her wall until she made a nice golf ball sized hole! Mine get loud on ocassion too. Anyhow, I agree with what you're saying, let's try not to project how we feel about Kate on her kids. And I'm glad I'm not on a reality tv show to capture it! Although, maybe I will make you that youtube video of me dancing, lol!

ok, one more ting and I am done. The problem with the wall, and yes my youngest one did it, when he threw is hot wheels car at the wall. I was defending Jodi when I brought that up. We see Kate go crazy over gum on some cloths but it appeared to me that oh well big beal they put a hole in Jodi's wall, oh well. I would handle it better if they had shown Kate yelling at the kids for misbehaving.

Same type of thing at the beach in NC, did anyone notice, she said, I never wanted them to paint with pudding it is so messy, but we aren't home so they can do it here. Kind of like oh well not my house why should I worry, much the same attitude. That is something I can't put up with.

So with everyone bad mouthing Jodi, I just wanted to put that out there, Jodi IMHO is a saint compared to Kate.

 

[kidshop]

Well I will keep my mouth shut on the kids, you are right it isn't nice for me to do that. However, I will admit that these kids aren't the only ones subject to my opinions. I call kids like I see them, and when I see bad behavior I say it. Calling them names isn't right, I apologize, but they are very ill behaved kids. And I don't blame TLC, I blame Kate. It is the parents fault when they don't behave. Not anyone else. I also didn't always feel this way about the, kthey were so cute and really lovable, but the last year I saw behavior that was completely unacceptable, but I will leave it at that.

You know that is just what happens when kids are put on TV as themselves. It's a side effect and human nature to comment on what is seen. hey, if you don't want people to tear your kids apart, Don't put their lives out there as entertainment. I know I won't. (I have one just like Mady)

 

[OhMari]

If it wasn't exploitation on the Gosseline clan...

We could have a serious betting ring going on on the disboards. Or is that against the rules of the board?



Odds are 2000:1 that Kate will win DWTS. Who's in?

We have a Nascar board, that we bet on. We just bet for boasting rights.