Jodi Arias Trial Part 3, STILL in redirect of Jodi, Mar 5

[usnuzuloose]

Coverage starts at Noon today, right? (EST) I was thinking I heard her say 10:00 a.m. instead of 10:30, but my brain was scrambled and I was in a fog from all the boring testimony, so I might not be right.

For the west coast it starts at noon.

 

[lorimay]

Good morning everyone.

Before I get started catching up, I want to wish one of our fellow Dis'ers a Happy Birthday today.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KAR!
Or as some of you may know her, momrek06.

Wishing you a wonderful birthday!!!!!

 

[kellyg403]

I agree with most of this, not sure if the knife came to the heart came first, as he has allot of defensive wounds. I think he was turned around and she stabbed him in the back. Being wet he would be slipping in the shower trying to stop her. Remember there are stab wounds in the head area as well. But the shot had to come last, as the medical examiner explained why no blood on the bullet. His heart was no longer pumping and so the bullet would of not displayed any blood cause he was mostly bled out and the heart stopped which made no blood flow. I wanted to know how she could stop at a gas station and have all that blood on her and know one saw anything? She had to get clothes and go in the bathroom and change? No one saw anything ? I think she removed the socks before leaving. As she had to she went downstairs to put the camera in the wash as well. There was no bloody foot prints in the laundry room.

That is why she took the glass and washed everything off. I am wondering if the knives they found in the boxes of books line up with his wounds? I don't know how a neighbor wouldn't hear a gun shot wound. I told my husband along time ago , I wonder if that gun had a silencer. And it was odd how she mentioned how her dad a gun with a silencer on a gun that wasn't registered. They found the same caliber bullets in her moms house as well. I wonder if this will be brought out during rebuttal. So two can play at the game that Nurmi did. Remember Jodi's mom asked about the gun she hid in the rental car. The car place found it a month later. So why hide a gun that well? Could it be that this gun is the murder weapon? I don't know for sure. Were there any reciepts for the gun she bought? Jodi's mom was watched as she had a conversation with Jodi out in the street. So I don't know how strained their relationship is. I think Jodi's mom knows more . Remember she called her mom for help to move back. I am sure things had to come out. I am afraid she is another Cindy Anthony.

I think that Juan has more up his sleeve than we know. No one knows why he did not ask for recross, may be no need to. It may be better , for the rebuttal. So far Nurmi has not played the video of Travis shooting a gun yet. There is the incident that Juan started and has never finished yet. It was left hanging in the balance. That may come back later. So it may be enough for the questions with the jury. Remember she already gave her testimony. And she talked so much she changed her story on the stand. The last one of the holster, that one took the cake to change that story. So let her hang herself with the answers and let her hang herself. Juan has an extra ammunition now with the holster, no mention of it. And where is it? And for the time that would not match either. To much time now between the two pictures. And she did not mention she threw that away. Never found at the crime scene.

One of the reasons I think the heart wound came first is that it punctured his lung as well. The bood on the sink is sprayed everywhere. The amount of blood on the carpet in the hallway was a large. He was already having trouble breathing along with a loss of blood. She probably severed somthing as she is running after him an stabbing, as he is falling the stabs to the head. I just look at the photos of the crime scene and the different blood patterns and feel like it went that way.

But a Forensic expert I am not and I could have it all wrong!

Kelly

 

[lorimay]

I wonder if she thought her grandfather wouldn't miss the gun right away when she took it.

 

[momrek06]

MIKE, THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!!! You are the BESTEST!!!!

Good morning everyone.

Before I get started catching up, I want to wish one of our fellow Dis'ers a Happy Birthday today.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KAR!
Or as some of you may know her, momrek06.

Thanks, BEARCATSFAN!!!

Happy Birthday, KAR! Hope you have a fantastic day!

Thanks, KELLY!!!!

Thanks, USNUZ!!!!

Happy Birthday! Hope your day is fantastic!

Thanks, LORIMAY!!!!

Wishing you a wonderful birthday!!!!!

 

[kellyg403]

I wonder if she thought her grandfather wouldn't miss the gun right away when she took it.

I read or heard somewhere, the policeman who took the report said the area where the gun was, was very dusty. So, my take on that was the gun was probably dusty and not an item they handled everyday. kwim?

Idk.Then again, maybe she said it. Its very hard to keep fact from fiction.

Kelly

 

[kellyg403]

Here's another point about the State's theory of shooting first versus stabbing first which is what the official charges read versus the ME report, shooting first adds to the case (in my mind leaves no question) that this was premeditated because why bring a gun to the scene if this all was a defensive act?

Yes, and then the ME report said that the gunshot wound or the cut to the throat would have rendered him incapacitated and the heart wound would not.

I wish it would have stated the way the State wanted it too though. It would have put her straight on death row IMHO. The issue not being clear by the State charging one thing, then the ME stating different takes away from the slam dunk she brought it with her.

I wish the jury question would start soon. I am wondering if during the morning session while they are deciding which questions they will bring in, will we hear all 100? Or just the ones one side is objecting to be heard. It will be interesting to see what we think the answers will be to those questions and if any of the questions is 'the one' that slips her up in some way.

Kelly

 

[momrek06]

Moving my post over here so everyone sees it. MANY THANKS AGAIN, LOVIES!!!!

MIKE, THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!!! You are the BESTEST!!!!

Thanks, BEARCATSFAN!!!

Thanks, KELLY!!!!

Thanks, USNUZ!!!!

Thanks, LORIMAY!!!!

Also Beth just posted the following on FB!!

Beth Karas InSession
The arguments on juror questions will be one hour from now. Tune in to HLN for live coverage. (I'll be on HLN during the arguments.) Arias will be on the stand to answer those question at 3 pm ET. After the judge asks her the questions and she answers, Nurmi and Martinez can then ask follow-up questions of Arias.

 

[kellyg403]

Moving my post over here so everyone sees it. MANY THANKS AGAIN, LOVIES!!!!







Also Beth just posted the following on FB!!

Beth Karas InSession
The arguments on juror questions will be one hour from now. Tune in to HLN for live coverage. (I'll be on HLN during the arguments.) Arias will be on the stand to answer those question at 3 pm ET. After the judge asks her the questions and she answers, Nurmi and Martinez can then ask follow-up questions of Arias.

MORE JODI AND HER ATTORNEY????

On the bright side...I hope you have a wonderful day!

Kelly

 

[BearcatsFan]

Moving my post over here so everyone sees it. MANY THANKS AGAIN, LOVIES!!!!







Also Beth just posted the following on FB!!

Beth Karas InSession
The arguments on juror questions will be one hour from now. Tune in to HLN for live coverage. (I'll be on HLN during the arguments.) Arias will be on the stand to answer those question at 3 pm ET. After the judge asks her the questions and she answers, Nurmi and Martinez can then ask follow-up questions of Arias.

Thank you for posting this.

 

[bas71873]

SNOW DAY! And DD's BFF from down the street came over, so that means I can pop on the headphones and listen to the livestream while they play and so long as the power stays on. It's flickered a few times and I've cranked up my heat just in case!

 

[BearcatsFan]

SNOW DAY! And DD's BFF from down the street came over, so that means I can pop on the headphones and listen to the livestream while they play and so long as the power stays on. It's flickered a few times and I've cranked up my heat just in case!

How much snow did you get? I went to bed to rain and woke up to 6" of snow!

 

[Thumper_Man]

Forgive me, I'm not really following the case and just kind of keeping up minimally based on what you're all posting here, but I have a question and some thoughts based on your discussion.

The Defendant is getting a preview of the jury questions, not going to have them placed to her for the first time while on the stand in the presence of the jury? If this is true, I'm shocked. IMO it's proper for the jury to be able to observe the witness' raw initial reaction to the questions.

As far as being concerned about the jury needing to ask questions, I wouldn't read into it that they're leaning towards sympathy or belief in her story. Based on what I've seen here in the couple of years since the jury has been allowed to ask questions, and particularly for a jury like this one who have had to suffer through months of this, juries tend to ask a lot of the questions you or I might like to ask. Throughout the case questions have been asked by both sides, questions specifically asked in a certain way to frame testimony in a light that fits their theory of the case. It's usually a relief to hear some truly direct, cut to the heart of the issue questions after endless parsing of details and evidence.

In regard to the jury only being allowed to ask questions during deliberation -- that would only be questions regarding the law, the application of the law and possibly asking to review evidence or see a transcript of testimony presented during the trial. Jury questions during deliberations don't allow further witness testimony to answer something a jury decides wasn't explained during the trial. Once proofs are closed, closing arguments are made and the jury is instructed no more proofs are taken in the case -- absent some very, very groundbreaking findings -- such as a video of the murder surfacing and revealing someone else committed the crime, it was a suicide or the presumed victim surfacing alive and revealing someone else was the victim -- none of which appears at all likely.

Yes, we are all surprised that for one, the jury gets to asks questions; two the defense gets to review them with the defendant present. I think most of us agree that Jodi should not be present. It should be up to her attorneys and the prosecution to determine what questions should be asked, and if some of the questions asked were already answered; thus eliminating the question.

What I find even more shocking is that the defense gets to review them first. Gives JA more time to think up more lies. One possible question that might come up would be, what happened to the holster? Since it was brought up yesterday and no other time before that. When the gun was in the holster, was the holster snapped shut? Or was the holster unsnapped while the gun was in it? If it was snapped shut, then how did she have time to get the gun off the shelf, unsnap the holster, take the gun out of the holster and shoot at Travis?

Not saying those are the questions, but some possible questions. And I agree, these are questions you and I might ask that the lawyers never presented. Of course JM never got a chance to ask about the holster or any new evidence introduced.

 

[Thumper_Man]

MORE JODI AND HER ATTORNEY????

I was so hoping we were done with those 2.

 

[Thumper_Man]

MIKE, THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!!! You are the BESTEST!!!!

I thought for sure you would be at DL all day today.

Oh by the way, we might (big MIGHT) headed to DL again in either September or October. Depending on our funds. Maybe we'll get a chance to meet up again if we do.

 

[momrek06]

I thought for sure you would be at DL all day today.

Oh by the way, we might (big MIGHT) headed to DL again in either September or October. Depending on our funds. Maybe we'll get a chance to meet up again if we do.

YES YES YES!!! We go East in MAY soooo doubtful we will be back East in Sept or Oct. YES YES YES!!! Let's all ride RSR together.

 

[bas71873]

How much snow did you get? I went to bed to rain and woke up to 6" of snow!

Woke up to pouring rain, thunder and lightening and then around 9:00 AM it changed over to hard snow and it's still going. The wind is really picking up too now. I'm guessing we have around 2" right now and from what the news just said it's supposed to continue the rest of the afternoon. Where I live, we are always right on the line and we went to bed last night hearing we'd be lucky to get a dusting to an inch, yet here we are. I'm guessing there won't be school tomorrow either.

 

[SweetGalSouth]

Ever since Jodi said the gun was in a holster when she grabbed it, I couldnt understand why that was the first time we have heard that. Do any of you know if the video of TA shooting guns with his buddies, show him wearing a holster? (and now she is adding the holster story to prove he owned a gun) I know the video we saw was him shooting a rifle, but maybe we haven't seen all of the video.

 

[cabanafrau]

Yes, we are all surprised that for one, the jury gets to asks questions; two the defense gets to review them with the defendant present. I think most of us agree that Jodi should not be present. It should be up to her attorneys and the prosecution to determine what questions should be asked, and if some of the questions asked were already answered; thus eliminating the question.

What I find even more shocking is that the defense gets to review them first. Gives JA more time to think up more lies. One possible question that might come up would be, what happened to the holster? Since it was brought up yesterday and no other time before that. When the gun was in the holster, was the holster snapped shut? Or was the holster unsnapped while the gun was in it? If it was snapped shut, then how did she have time to get the gun off the shelf, unsnap the holster, take the gun out of the holster and shoot at Travis?

Not saying those are the questions, but some possible questions. And I agree, these are questions you and I might ask that the lawyers never presented. Of course JM never got a chance to ask about the holster or any new evidence introduced.

I suspect that like much of the practice of law, allowing juries to question is a relatively new practice around the country. It began here approximately two years ago with generally positive results.

How it has been effected here is that lawyers wrap up their questioning of a witness and the judge asks if there are any juror questions before the witness is dismissed. The court officer then collects questions from the jury and they are brought up for the judge and attorneys to review and argue for or against, generally at sidebar with the jury present.

Obviously even some of your most contentious, drawn-out, even high-profile cases locally don't reach the level or length of a case like this one, so jurors submitting a total of six potential questions for a witness is very rare. The most juror questions I have ever seen actually posed to a single witness is three. Generally I have no idea what questions are not going to be presented to a witness, but judges will frequently comment that a question or question cannot be posed to a witness because it is asking for hearsay or some other response that is outside the bounds of legally admissible evidence without referencing what the particular question was. When the judge does decide to dismiss the jury from the room so that the attorneys can make on the record argument about potential juror questions I can tell you it is UGLY and about as heated as anything you will see in a real courtroom. Obviously a defendant remains in the courtroom for these arguments as a party to the case and hears the potential questions and the arguments about the question itself. Generally it doesn't matter because I don't believe I have ever personally witnessed such an argument about questions to be asked of the defendant, only questions for other witnesses who are not present for the argument as they are not a party to the case. That's probably because defendants do not testify in the great majority of cases.

 

[BearcatsFan]

Ever since Jodi said the gun was in a holster when she grabbed it, I couldnt understand why that was the first time we have heard that. Do any of you know if the video of TA shooting guns with his buddies, show him wearing a holster? (and now she is adding the holster story to prove he owned a gun) I know the video we saw was him shooting a rifle, but maybe we haven't seen all of the video.

The video of Travis shooting the gun shows him shooting a friend's gun. This friend says he never owned a gun, which is what most, if not all of us here, believe to be true. This same friend said if Travis had owned a gun, he would have been very proud of it and wanted to show it off, which he never did.

I am thinking that friend and the video will come in to the case at some point in time later, but that remains to be seen whether it will be during rebuttal or what.