Jodi Arias Trial Part 3, STILL in redirect of Jodi, Mar 5

[Thumper_Man]

Happy Birthday, KAR! Hope you have a fantastic day!

I wonder if she'll be here today? She lives about a mile away from DL. She might spend the day there.

 

[BearcatsFan]

I wonder if she'll be here today? She lives about a mile away from DL. She might spend the day there.

Now that would make for a great birthday!

 

[brunette8706]

I tend to agree with the ME on the shot not being first. I think Travis thought Jodi was gone and started to take a shower. I think he was startled and mad when he realized she was not gone. I don't believe a lot about Jodi's events of this day. I think this is the day she realized Travis was moving on, it was the last time. He was breaking it off completely. No friends with benefits, no hope.

I think the stab to the heart came first and when he realized he was hurt started to run. She stabbed him as HE was running to the closet. Towards the sink. He then realizes he is stabbed and blood is all over the sink. She starts stabbing in the back he gets away to down the hall, he falls from loss of blood at this point. I think this is where Travis was on all fours saying he couldn't feel his legs (from the previous Intruder story she told Det. Flores) and she cuts his throat. I think his body was making noises and she construed this as he was still alive and not that he was dying she she shot him the shower.

Maybe she planned for the gun to be first and I am totally off base. IDK, but foresics tell a different story than the one she is.

Kelly

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Wow, your theory sounds like it could be very accurate. I just read your post out loud to my husband and he agrees with you too! Makes perfect sense. I never thought about him thinking "she was gone" and she wasn't! He didn't look very happy in the shower while of course he was still alive. His facial expression was non descript. You make valid points.

 

[PebblesMK]

Sigh...my boyfriend JJ is talking right now on IN!

 

[PebblesMK]

I tend to agree with the ME on the shot not being first. I think Travis thought Jodi was gone and started to take a shower. I think he was startled and mad when he realized she was not gone. I don't believe a lot about Jodi's events of this day. I think this is the day she realized Travis was moving on, it was the last time. He was breaking it off completely. No friends with benefits, no hope.

I think the stab to the heart came first and when he realized he was hurt started to run. She stabbed him as HE was running to the closet. Towards the sink. He then realizes he is stabbed and blood is all over the sink. She starts stabbing in the back he gets away to down the hall, he falls from loss of blood at this point. I think this is where Travis was on all fours saying he couldn't feel his legs (from the previous Intruder story she told Det. Flores) and she cuts his throat. I think his body was making noises and she construed this as he was still alive and not that he was dying she she shot him the shower.

Maybe she planned for the gun to be first and I am totally off base. IDK, but foresics tell a different story than the one she is.

Kelly

That timeline makes sense. At the sink, it looks like he was coughing/spitting which caused the blood splatter. He was probably looking in the mirror saying "What the hell!" and she went crazy. She's a crazy.

 

[Uncle Remus]

No we don't...and I am with you Uncle Remus, please let her be restricted to yes and no answers.

If I understand correctly the Judge will ask the jury questions, hopefully the Judge is also interested in moving on.

Honestly, I have no burning questions for Jodi. I can't imagine she will answer truthfully anyway. But it WILL be interesting to see if the questions pertain more to dv issues or technical issues. I mean, she pretty much has no cooberation to any of her stories. She pretty much blanks out about anything to do with being in AZ, she doesn't even have receipts.

But, if she used the gas cans in AZ to put gas in her car at sometime (most likely that stop before the Hoover Dam when she woke up from this fog she is having. Lets face it, according to her she woke up with blood on her hands, went to the back of the car and got a water from the case she carries around in her trunk, washed up etc etc. How about she put the gas in her car at that time and was washing gas from her hands not so much blood. I can't imagine that in broad daylight she was able to drive miles and miles with blood on her hands and there be MORE in the car, on the outside of the car anywhere at all and not another single person sitting at a stoplight next to her noticed it. If she had blood on her hands, at 6 pm (giving the benefit of doubt on time there) in June, it was still LIGHT outside. She had to have gotten some on the OUTSIDE of the white rental car in order to get in as she is running for her life. kwim.

She washed her hands alright. But it was to remove gas from her hands. The mats were gone because she got blood on her feet that transferred to the mat. To make it look like there were no mats in the car, she threw the bloody one and the rest away. She was covering up all the way to Utah.

Kelly

I'm not even sure she washed her hands, period. I think the washing of hands is just to explain that she ran out of the house (in her fog) covered in blood because she did haven't the forethought that she was covered in blood until later, kwim? It's akin to saying there was a rope involved so that she could slyly explain why a knife was handy for her to stab him 27 times and cut his throat.

I think we'll know more about how the jury feels once we hear their questions. It could be things like, "Why didn't you call 911 if you shot him in self-defense?" "If you didn't see him between April and June (which is what she said on the stand yesterday), what prompted the visit on June 4? If you were separated and broken-up, and he was abusive, why get yourself back in that situation?"

Oh gawd nooo, she already explained all that, she was in a fog, he guilted her into coming to see him and she loved him so she wasn't out of that situation; there's the short answers, we don't want her long explanations... again.

When a jury asks questions to the defendent (Jodi) they are giving plausibility to what she is saying. Does everyone agree with that? It only takes one juror to acquit. So my question is why the 100 plus questions, it's so so obvious with evidence, whereabouts, pictures in the camera, on and on that she's guilty.

Plus they were saying if she eh hem took the gun in a stressfull moment to save her life, from Travis's walk in closet, nothing was touched, or disturbed. The gun was on the top shelf, yet not one item of clothing or anything was disturbed, nothing, in fact everything is quite organized and pristine. She is such a liar.

Thoughts?

She's definitely a liar, but the jury has to determine if she's guilty of premeditated murder for the State to win, anything less could be construed as a win for Jodi, just like you say, it only takes one juror.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Happy Birthday, KAR!!

 

[kellyg403]

I'm not even sure she washed her hands, period. I think the washing of hands is just to explain that she ran out of the house (in her fog) covered in blood because she did haven't the forethought that she was covered in blood until later, kwim? It's akin to saying there was a rope involved so that she could slyly explain why a knife was handy for her to stab him 27 times and cut his throat.

Good point.



Oh gawd nooo, she already explained all that, she was in a fog, he guilted her into coming to see him and she loved him so she wasn't out of that situation; there's the short answers, we don't want her long explanations... again.

I agree I can't take anymore explanations. At first I was happy because she was digging herself into a hole sometimes....then the hole got so big it swallowed everyone listening. Scary.


She's definitely a liar, but the jury has to determine if she's guilty of premeditated murder for the State to win, anything less could be construed as a win for Jodi, just like you say, it only takes one juror.

Yes it does. As scary as that is, yes it does.

 

[Thumper_Man]

If she gets death there's an automatic appeal:

https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/sites/all/docs/Criminal/ccc/Final-CapPun.pdf

Oh. Dear. Lord. Then we will have to go through this again????

Not necessarily. The Appeals process works differently than the trial process. The defense would have to file an appeal and state the grounds on which the appeal is based on. An example would be they dispute how the forensic evidence was handled and presented in the case. The Appeals Court would then determine if the trial court made any errors or not. If they determine the trial court did not make any errors, they can deny hearing the case. If they determine there is, then there is a hearing based on the grounds of appeal only. Not the entire trial court. Now I believe if the Appeals Court finds sufficient evidence to proceed, additional proceedings are then conducted in trial court based on the grounds of appeal only. So if they disputed the forensic evidence, then only the forensic evidence can be brought up in court.

Hope this makes sense.

Here's a link on how the Appeals Process works. http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCour...alCourts/HowCourtsWork/TheAppealsProcess.aspx

 

[usnuzuloose]

Good morning everyone.

Before I get started catching up, I want to wish one of our fellow Dis'ers a Happy Birthday today.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KAR!
Or as some of you may know her, momrek06.

Happy Birthday! Hope your day is fantastic!

 

[Uncle Remus]

Here's another point about the State's theory of shooting first versus stabbing first which is what the official charges read versus the ME report, shooting first adds to the case (in my mind leaves no question) that this was premeditated because why bring a gun to the scene if this all was a defensive act?

 

[Thumper_Man]

We have all those nice questions to look forward to.

Lets hope they narrow them down significantly this morning and we don't have to hear her and KN so much this afternoon.

 

[BearcatsFan]

Coverage starts at Noon today, right? (EST) I was thinking I heard her say 10:00 a.m. instead of 10:30, but my brain was scrambled and I was in a fog from all the boring testimony, so I might not be right.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Not necessarily. The Appeals process works differently than the trial process. The defense would have to file an appeal and state the grounds on which the appeal is based on. An example would be they dispute how the forensic evidence was handled and presented in the case. The Appeals Court would then determine if the trial court made any errors or not. If they determine the trial court did not make any errors, they can deny hearing the case. If they determine there is, then there is a hearing based on the grounds of appeal only. Not the entire trial court. Now I believe if the Appeals Court finds sufficient evidence to proceed, additional proceedings are then conducted in trial court based on the grounds of appeal only. So if they disputed the forensic evidence, then only the forensic evidence can be brought up in court.

Hope this makes sense.

Here's a link on how the Appeals Process works. http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCour...alCourts/HowCourtsWork/TheAppealsProcess.aspx

It makes sense to me because it's still an automatic appeal and don't forget the defense has already filed it's appeal based on the charging documents. But I agree, we won't be re hearing that whole case, the Defense can only present limited evidence for appeal. Praise the Lord.

 

[cabanafrau]

Forgive me, I'm not really following the case and just kind of keeping up minimally based on what you're all posting here, but I have a question and some thoughts based on your discussion.

The Defendant is getting a preview of the jury questions, not going to have them placed to her for the first time while on the stand in the presence of the jury? If this is true, I'm shocked. IMO it's proper for the jury to be able to observe the witness' raw initial reaction to the questions.

As far as being concerned about the jury needing to ask questions, I wouldn't read into it that they're leaning towards sympathy or belief in her story. Based on what I've seen here in the couple of years since the jury has been allowed to ask questions, and particularly for a jury like this one who have had to suffer through months of this, juries tend to ask a lot of the questions you or I might like to ask. Throughout the case questions have been asked by both sides, questions specifically asked in a certain way to frame testimony in a light that fits their theory of the case. It's usually a relief to hear some truly direct, cut to the heart of the issue questions after endless parsing of details and evidence.

In regard to the jury only being allowed to ask questions during deliberation -- that would only be questions regarding the law, the application of the law and possibly asking to review evidence or see a transcript of testimony presented during the trial. Jury questions during deliberations don't allow further witness testimony to answer something a jury decides wasn't explained during the trial. Once proofs are closed, closing arguments are made and the jury is instructed no more proofs are taken in the case -- absent some very, very groundbreaking findings -- such as a video of the murder surfacing and revealing someone else committed the crime, it was a suicide or the presumed victim surfacing alive and revealing someone else was the victim -- none of which appears at all likely.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Coverage starts at Noon today, right? (EST) I was thinking I heard her say 10:00 a.m. instead of 10:30, but my brain was scrambled and I was in a fog from all the boring testimony, so I might not be right.

It's so funny, whenever I look at a clock here (in Texas), I see AZ time instead!

I forget when court's spozed to start, but I bet they'll be late.

 

[kellyg403]

It's so funny, whenever I look at a clock here (in Texas), I see AZ time instead!

I forget when court's spozed to start, but I bet they'll be late.

Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner!

I always plan on at least 15 minutes late.

Kelly

 

[usnuzuloose]

I tend to agree with the ME on the shot not being first. I think Travis thought Jodi was gone and started to take a shower. I think he was startled and mad when he realized she was not gone. I don't believe a lot about Jodi's events of this day. I think this is the day she realized Travis was moving on, it was the last time. He was breaking it off completely. No friends with benefits, no hope.

I think the stab to the heart came first and when he realized he was hurt started to run. She stabbed him as HE was running to the closet. Towards the sink. He then realizes he is stabbed and blood is all over the sink. She starts stabbing in the back he gets away to down the hall, he falls from loss of blood at this point. I think this is where Travis was on all fours saying he couldn't feel his legs (from the previous Intruder story she told Det. Flores) and she cuts his throat. I think his body was making noises and she construed this as he was still alive and not that he was dying she she shot him the shower.

Maybe she planned for the gun to be first and I am totally off base. IDK, but foresics tell a different story than the one she is.

Kelly

I agree with most of this, not sure if the knife came to the heart came first, as he has allot of defensive wounds. I think he was turned around and she stabbed him in the back. Being wet he would be slipping in the shower trying to stop her. Remember there are stab wounds in the head area as well. But the shot had to come last, as the medical examiner explained why no blood on the bullet. His heart was no longer pumping and so the bullet would of not displayed any blood cause he was mostly bled out and the heart stopped which made no blood flow. I wanted to know how she could stop at a gas station and have all that blood on her and know one saw anything? She had to get clothes and go in the bathroom and change? No one saw anything ? I think she removed the socks before leaving. As she had to she went downstairs to put the camera in the wash as well. There was no bloody foot prints in the laundry room.

That is why she took the glass and washed everything off. I am wondering if the knives they found in the boxes of books line up with his wounds? I don't know how a neighbor wouldn't hear a gun shot wound. I told my husband along time ago , I wonder if that gun had a silencer. And it was odd how she mentioned how her dad a gun with a silencer on a gun that wasn't registered. They found the same caliber bullets in her moms house as well. I wonder if this will be brought out during rebuttal. So two can play at the game that Nurmi did. Remember Jodi's mom asked about the gun she hid in the rental car. The car place found it a month later. So why hide a gun that well? Could it be that this gun is the murder weapon? I don't know for sure. Were there any reciepts for the gun she bought? Jodi's mom was watched as she had a conversation with Jodi out in the street. So I don't know how strained their relationship is. I think Jodi's mom knows more . Remember she called her mom for help to move back. I am sure things had to come out. I am afraid she is another Cindy Anthony.

I think that Juan has more up his sleeve than we know. No one knows why he did not ask for recross, may be no need to. It may be better , for the rebuttal. So far Nurmi has not played the video of Travis shooting a gun yet. There is the incident that Juan started and has never finished yet. It was left hanging in the balance. That may come back later. So it may be enough for the questions with the jury. Remember she already gave her testimony. And she talked so much she changed her story on the stand. The last one of the holster, that one took the cake to change that story. So let her hang herself with the answers and let her hang herself. Juan has an extra ammunition now with the holster, no mention of it. And where is it? And for the time that would not match either. To much time now between the two pictures. And she did not mention she threw that away. Never found at the crime scene.

 

[Thumper_Man]

Coverage starts at Noon today, right? (EST) I was thinking I heard her say 10:00 a.m. instead of 10:30, but my brain was scrambled and I was in a fog from all the boring testimony, so I might not be right.

I don't know if we'll get full coverage today. I thought I heard something about court resuming at 1:30 AZ time (2:30 CST, 3:30 EST). This morning they are going through the questions to determine which ones may have been answered already and eliminating them.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner!

I always plan on at least 15 minutes late.

Kelly

I hope you're right.

I'm sure many of us have planned our days accordingly.