If the Pres. Election Were Held Today...

[nuke]

Originally posted by jimmiej
Bush! Libs scare me.

Right-wing fanatical Christian Reps scare me.

 

[Toby'sFriend]

Most likely Kerry. I'm not thrilled with him and didn't vote for him in the Primaries, but I will not vote for George Bush.

Yes, given the Conservative nature of these boards I'm very surprised the Poll is so close. I think it is going to be another VERY close election.

 

[Bichon Barb]

Many mothers who do not abort and go through a full term pregnancy do not want to give their babies up for adoption. People who are pro life should also put their money where their mouths are help new moms who are struggling financially.

 

[jimmiej]

People who are pro life should also put their money where their mouths are help new moms who are struggling financially.

Isn't that what welfare is for?

Here's a telling story. My mom works in the district clerk's office in a central Texas county. A young mom & baby came in with the baby's father. The girl told my mom she & the father weren't married, but were living together. He had been ordered to pay child support but she didn't want him to. Turns out she was on public assistance; the authorities found the father & ordered him to pay. She wanted Joe taxpayer to continue to fork over while her shack-up partner paid nothing. Yeah, I'd love to keep paying for your baby's formula & diapers, but I've got two kids in college. BTW, they were sent to the Attorney General's office.

 

[Maray]

Howard Dean supporter Here, But will vote for Kerry.
Since many are stating there reasons why.
These are mine.

Everyone please vote in November.
Vote your conscience , but vote with knowledge, Not TV sound bites,or the talk radioRush Limbaugh-type propaganda ,
but Actual records of bills put forward and passed
and how they affect the future of America for our childrens sakes.
Please don't let one Issue blind you to the overall values America has always stood for.

Corporate America is very close to running this country.
( And they are using the Extreme Fundamental Religious Groups to do so- throwing them a bone
by passing bills or promising school vouchers,abortion and gay rights bans- things corporate America could care less about.)

The only thing that is stopping them from taking total control are the pesky voters.
That's why there's such a drive to control the vote.
( Computerized machines with no paper trails made by Diebolt who actually stated they will bring the vote home for Bush!)
What we're seeing is the corporatization of the last shred of democracy

Just some of the harmful acts Bush and his administration have done since in office :
The Fear-mongering ( using 9/11 for everything)
The Iraq War Lies ( so many here - Abandoning Afghanistan and Bin Laden to go into oil rich Iraq instead -,just one of many reasons )
He has stretched our military dangerously thin by rushing into Iraq, and by sending National Guard
and Reserve troops to join them, left our homeland unprotected.

The constant eroding of womans' rights
The energy policy-Cheney- Halliburton scandals ,secrets,- Enron
The Patriot Act -which takes away many of our civil rights and Patriot II coming soon
Taking away our basic right to protest and assemble
The appointing of right -wing appellate judges(appointing some while congress was in recess -Pryor and Pickering)
The loosening of gun laws, wanting to repeal the ban against AKA Assault weapons
The screwing of our elders and the prescription plan
Giving our tax money to so - called faith based initiatives
( out of $100million proposed ,$65 million has been given out so far but only to Evangelical Christian Groups-Not Catholic or Jewish)
The Alaska oil drilling
The passing of a bill allowing MORE pollution(mercury) in our air
The stripping of our forests
The tax cuts to the rich
The Under funding to No Child left Behind act
The Trillion Budget Deficit!
The huge Trade deficit
The ever weakening dollar
The outsourcing of jobs, pandering to Corporate Greed
The bill to take away overtime pay ,again pandering to Corporate Greed

Everyday, House of Representatives are passing new bills undermining our American values of Fairness
While the Conservative Owned Media never reports on these issues.
You can check the Congressional Daily agenda and see how they voted Online.

This is an article from a few months back
Bush Earned Our Hate
I totally agree-! and there is so much more he has done
that this columnist didn't even mention: So many reasons................................
by Harley Sorensen

I would like to say a kind word about George W. Bush: He's usually not as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people.

He plays dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He nails them.

People say I hate Bush. That may or may not be true.

I use the word hate a lot, but I think it means different things to different people.

Genuine hatred is not high on my list of personal emotions.

If I consider someone bad, all I ask of them is that they stop being bad. If they can do that, I have no further quarrel with them.

The point I hope to get to in this little essay is that those of us who dislike Bush did not simply get up one morning

and decide we were going to hate him. He had to earn our antipathy.

And he's done that. In spades.

One of my initial thoughts, when I became aware of Bush early in 2000, was, "He seems to be a Republican I could vote for."

On first impression, he seemed to have all his father's good qualities and none of his bad. So he started out on my good side.

But then, during his election campaign, I started to dislike him when I realized he was campaigning with focus-group slogans

rather than real ideas.

He said he was "a compassionate conservative," a bit of nonsense that attempted to satisfy both liberals and conservatives.

He said he was "a uniter, not a divider," which was clearly phony, as events have shown.

Americans are about as divided now as they were during the Civil War,

and most foreign countries are scared to death of Bush's quirky, violent decisions.

And Bush said he was "a reformer with results," another nonsense slogan designed to charm people who don't listen too closely.

Looking at the surplus Bill Clinton left behind, Bush said he'd give one-quarter of that windfall "to the people who pay the bills.

I want everybody who pays taxes to have their tax rates cut."

When that surplus vanished, Bush cut taxes anyway and sent "refund" checks out with borrowed money.

And the big beneficiaries were people in Bush's circle: the rich and the very rich.

I started to get angry with Bush when he started his term as president

by effectively cutting off American funds to foreign organizations that might provide abortions for poor people.

Deliberately restricting a medical procedure to people in need is hardly compassionate.

Bush quickly made it clear he was going to pander to America's fourth branch of government,

the Christian fundamentalist extremists.

By doing so, he showed his contempt for one of the most important principles set forth in our Constitution,

the avoidance of a state religion.

It wasn't long after that turn that Bush, for patently religious reasons, put a damper on stem-cell research.

His actions effectively stopped American scientists from finding life-saving treatments through such efforts.

In my opinion, Bush's decision was cruel and inhumane, but certainly worthy of a man who had once

mocked the pleas of a woman about to be executed in Texas.

That was it for me. His total disdain for environmental protection was frosting on the cake.

Even though the proof kept coming, I didn't need any more evidence of his lack of concern for human life

outside of his elite social group.

The current national discussion on Bush revolves around his decision to go to war with Iraq.

If you give him the benefit of the doubt, he was given faulty information about Saddam Hussein's weapons capabilities.

But he still made a deadly mistake. You don't send American boys and girls off to be killed without knowing

with absolute certainty that it's necessary.

Bush, hell bent on both avenging Saddam's attempt on his father's life and proving he's a better man than his dad, gambled.

He gambled, and our kids lost.

Now, every time I hear a report of troops killed in Iraq, or in Afghanistan, the site of a neglected war, I grow livid.

(Whatever happened to the Powell Doctrine, which insisted that we shouldn't go to war except as a last resort,

that a clear risk to national security must exist, that we must use overwhelming force if we do fight,

that the decision to fight must have strong public support and that we must have a clear exit strategy?)

Hatred for a Republican president is not a knee-jerk liberal emotion.

Opposition, yes, but not hatred.

This Bush fellow is a special case.

 

[Mad4Mickey]

I post here with pride

1 because my Sister in Taglihood started this thread

2 I really like Bush and hope that no one here will cyber stalk me for it

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Many democrats spew hate towards our Commander in Chief because of what they call lies that led us to war. If you say that, then you must also say that Kerry was lying a year ago when he claimed that Iraq had WMDs and Saddam must go. He voted for the war, and did not differ from Bush at all until it became advantageous to his candidacy. He completely went from being a hawk to a dove. I may not agree with the likes of Howard Dean and Al Sharpton, but I'd much rather have them as President because they genuinely believe in what they are saying, Kerry definetly doesn't! He is against a war he not only voted for, but passionately argued for!

And the thing that really gets me is the above poster who is against Bush because of the judges he appoints. Do you have no problem with liberal activist judges who write more laws than our legislative branch??????? That is not American, and it is not what that branch is supposed to do! It is also un-American how our Senate blocks almost all appointees because they do not agree with having judges who don't think they are legislators. This is the biggest outrage in America these days. It really is ruining our system of checks and balances.

I am an extreme enviromentalist but the drilling in Alaska is no big deal. If it can lower our gas prices by even a penny it is worth doing. The area that would be affected is so minute that is really is not worth my fingers striking the keyboard right now.

I am by no means religious and have not been a church since the first Bush administration, but there is nothing wrong with gov't funded faith based initiatives if they can help solve problems.

The erosion of women's reproductive rights? What about the poor babies, Democrats don't even care about an 8 month old full term baby who is pulled out with tongs, has a hole pierced in his/her head with metal devices, and has his/her brains suctioned out, to be thrown in the trash. Yet they are up in arms about Iraqis with bags on their heads?? Give me a break!

I am liberal on more issues than I am conservative, but there are a few issues like saving the lives of millions of babies, and preventing terrorism that will prevent me from voting democratic in national issues for the next decade or so.

I disagree with George Bush on soooooooo many issues, but I have no option but to vote for him. I am downright angry about many of his opinions on things such as the enviroment, health care, affirmative action, and the outsourcing of jobs. But these issues are not as important as the issues that the President is right about.... appointing judges who are not legislators, saving the lives of babies, and stopping terrorism.

My ideal candidate would be a Democrat who is pro-life, pro-defense, and is against activist judges. But until that candidate comes along I will be very proud to vote for our great President George Dubya.