How much do you prepare your kids for life before they leave home?

My kids have always had to do chores and I imagine they can do any of the general household chores just fine, like laundry, cleaning, cooking etc. I don't think they'd do a good job ironing though. I have specifically had conversations with them about large scale finances like how to use credit cards and not buy more than you can afford etc. Neither of them have jobs so they don't have enough money to have their own bank accounts at this point. We are open with our kids when we have to make decisions so they can see us working through the process. That's what I really want them to learn is how to solve a problem. How to properly work through possible solutions and chose the right one. As people have noted you can google all kinds of things these days - so the real skill is knowing when to trust yourself, when to look something up and when to ask for help.
 
Right and I still think it’s weird to send an 18/19 year old to college, with a car, and not teach them to pump gas.

My original point was that in my dd’s recent experience, most kids aren’t nearly as helpless as someone people think.
I’ve lived in NJ my entire life, except the four years I was in college in PA. The first time I pumped my own gas was junior year, when I had a car. It might come as a surprise to some, but most parents don’t take their teens on a field trip across state lines to teach them to pump gas. Whenever we drive out of state with our kids, DH picks a kid to pump gas, but some of mine have never done it, and it’s been so many decades that I’ve pumped gas, I’d definitely have to read the instructions.
 
Was that article I read correct and self service is now allowed in at least some parts of Oregon?
In some places, yes. Rural counties can allow people to pump their own gas. I suppose those who live in rural areas are smart enough to figure out how to do it. Those who live in cities, apparently not.
 

I’d rather the teachers teach trig and let me teach life skills (I can’t do trig). I’ll teach cooking, cleaning, addressing an envelope, depositing a paycheck, using a can opener, getting prescriptions filled, paying a parking ticket...

That is great!!!
Teach away!!! (Have absolutely NO problem with that!!!)
But, many parents are not so inclined.
Many parents, working and/or single parents, etc. might welcome such a program in the schools.

NOTE: anybody here who knows me, at all, knows that I am very opposed to schools overstepping.
I simply do not include life skills such as handling and balancing basic finances, job applications, taxes, etc... to be 'overstepping'.
 
I’ve lived in NJ my entire life, except the four years I was in college in PA. The first time I pumped my own gas was junior year, when I had a car. It might come as a surprise to some, but most parents don’t take their teens on a field trip across state lines to teach them to pump gas. Whenever we drive out of state with our kids, DH picks a kid to pump gas, but some of mine have never done it, and it’s been so many decades that I’ve pumped gas, I’d definitely have to read the instructions.

I wasn’t suggesting a special field trip but since the kids I was talking about were freshmen, I think there’s a strong chance their parents accompanied them to campus for drop off the first time, helped them move in and probably took them to the grocery store, demonstrating gas pumping wouldn’t require a lot of extra effort. Both grocery stores in that town had their own pumps.

I still think not knowing how to pump gas weird. I think no sell service is weird but it is what it is.

But if anyone actually bothered to read my entire first post, I said that was the only issue my daughter noticed kids having. She thought it was funny because everyone she knew prior to going to college knew how to pump gas if they drove. And since she didn’t mention lots of other problems, I’d assume most kids were reasonably prepared or they figured it out. I don’t think theyre all spoiled idiots like some posters are suggesting.
 
In some places, yes. Rural counties can allow people to pump their own gas. I suppose those who live in rural areas are smart enough to figure out how to do it. Those who live in cities, apparently not.

Well I had always heard that it wasn’t happening in NJ due to the strength of the gasoline retailers association. The theory was there were a lot of owner operated stations and they were small so would still need the same number of employees while big , mainly company owned, stations could save on costs via needing less workers if there was self service. But many of these small stations have closed over the decades, so I am not sure if that was true, as there is still no self service.
 
Was that article I read correct and self service is now allowed in at least some parts of Oregon?

In some places, yes. Rural counties can allow people to pump their own gas. I suppose those who live in rural areas are smart enough to figure out how to do it. Those who live in cities, apparently not.

I was also go to add, yes, in rural counties. You have to get pretty far away from freeways etc. to be considered that rural. I traveled through Central Oregon this summer without finding self serve. I know Princess Shmoo was joking about more populated areas not being smart enough, but it's not really a skill that needs brains. I'm not sure what the reasoning is, but it's pretty much a really old law that has never been changed. Odd, because Oregon is quite progressive in most things.
 
I was also go to add, yes, in rural counties. You have to get pretty far away from freeways etc. to be considered that rural. I traveled through Central Oregon this summer without finding self serve. I know Princess Shmoo was joking about more populated areas not being smart enough, but it's not really a skill that needs brains. I'm not sure what the reasoning is, but it's pretty much a really old law that has never been changed. Odd, because Oregon is quite progressive in most things.
Well, I found this article that has these comments (ostensibly from Oregon people)
Another objector stated, “I’ve lived in this state all my life and I REFUSE to pump my own gas. I had to do it once in California while visiting my brother and almost died doing it. This [sic] a service only qualified people should perform. I will literally park at the pump and wait until someone pumps my gas. I can’t even.”

Still another complained about “transients around and not feeling safe” while pumping gas. Some amateur satirists seized on the opportunity, of course.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/08/oregon-just-relaxed-ban-pumping-gas-people-freaking/
 
I will admit, I did more "chores" as a girl growing up than my own daughter. And my husband could say the same with our son.
But they were held to respectable behavior and to accountability as in go to school, never skip, assignments turned in on time. Want a job, great, you'll show up every time you're scheduled even if it means missing out on something- stuff like that. They're college graduates and doing Ok for themselves.
 
Honestly, I never made a concerted effort to teach them anything with surviving independently in mind. They’re both young adults now and both can cook, do laundry, pump gas, make appointments,mow the lawn etc etc. I may have answered a question or three along the way, but I think they picked it up just by living in the house and seeing it done.
Same here - I grew up in a family of 7 kids - none of us had any chores - but somehow - we all learned to take care of ourselves and finish college and get jobs and keep house - it’s all just a matter of common sense..however - I still don’t cook! We raised our daughter the same way - she had no chores and her only responsibility was to do her best in schooL. The only life skill we taught her was how to write a check and balance her account...today - she’s a successful professional, great cook, has a beautiful home and just became a great mom!! Like mine - her husband has housekeeping responsibilities too - I just don’t think it’s rocket science to learn how to vacuum and dust!
 
My oldest is a senior this year. She does her own laundry, room and bathroom cleaning, and helps with dishes and various other cleaning tasks around the house. Starting this school year she is responsible for one family dinner a week.

I think the life skill area we've lacked in teaching is money management. She earns an allowance but she doesn't work (our choice for various reasons) and we've always let her choose how to spend her money.
 
Don’t the people in OPs examples know how google works? This seems really extreme that normal neurotypical people can’t figure out bedding or a gas pump after an initial moment of hunh wonder what to do.

I’ll admit that there were/are things that I’ve had to google “best way to remove a wine stain”, “best iron setting for silk”, “best way to cook asparagus” over the years...but never have I stood at the abyss at a complete loss.
 
This is a question based purely out of curiosity on my part, which stems from a number of incidents our family has experienced/witnessed in regards to young adults and/or college-aged people.

Now, I don't feel that I hold my kids up to any super high standards. They have had their chores through the years, so all of them can clean a bathroom, gather the trash, vacuum, and make their beds. They can wash and fold their clothes, unload a dishwasher, pick out produce, and make (very, very) simple meals for themselves before they leave home. (I have never once had them prepare a meal for the whole family as I have heard of others doing.) How often they choose to utilize those skills once they are on their own is up to them, but they do have the ability to perform them. Both of my oldest kids, who are now away from home, have said that we expected more from them than what they feel many of their fellow students and friends experienced while at home, but are also now grateful that they were given these skills after witnessing some of the following:

Exhibit A: When my son moved into the dorms with his first-year roommate, the guy he roomed with didn't know how to make a bed. (Those are my son's words. He did not imply his roommate was too lazy to make the bed.) Rather than ask for help or attempt to figure it out, he just slept on the plastic mattress directly, covered with a blanket. (Yes. His parents had sent him bedding.)

Exhibit B: In his second year, this same son was in a dorm apartment with three other guys who were expected to clean their own bathroom and common area. This was met with varying degrees of success as some had never had to clean a bathroom before.

Exhibit C: My daughter roomed with a girl during one of her off-campus projects where students were housed in apartments with kitchens. The roommate took frozen chicken, placed it in a glass pan, covered it with water, and put it in the oven. My daughter over-heard her talking to a friend on the phone where she was "complaining" about needing to eat raw chicken because it was taking too long to cook and she didn't want to wait any longer. She ate the half-baked, semi-poached drumsticks. This was a roommate who did not seem open to "help" or suggestions in a number of different areas and was dangerously oblivious to basic food safety.

Exhibit D: My daughter was apparently the only person on her dorm floor who knew how to iron, so when people needed items pressed, they sought her out. They appeared amazed that she had somehow magically acquired this skill. Yes, I understand that we live in a world where most items are permanent press and irons are becoming passe, but IF you own clothing that does require ironing, then you should potentially know how to care for those items or have the foresight/ability to afford to take them out to be pressed.

Exhibit E: My daughter moved to another state to do a 6-month co-op through school. She was once again living in an apartment, caring for herself. When talking with one of her friends, the girl exclaimed, "But what do you eat????" and seemed completely beside herself when my daughter said she just cooked for herself.

Exhibit F: Just the other day, I was at Target in the cleaning products aisles. A mom was there with her college-aged daughter and the two were shopping for supplies. As they went down the rows, the mom would grab a product like a stain remover and then say to her daughter, "Now if you get a stain on your clothes, spray this on right away." They would then move to the next product, and as the product went into the cart, a description of how to use it followed.

It was this last display which prompted me to toss this/these question(s) out to the masses...

How concerned are you with providing your kids with basic life skills before they leave home? Do parents possibly assume that these things should be easy to figure out and not realize how much their kids potentially struggle when they do get out in the world? Was there anything that you wish you had learned to do before you started off on your own?

(If it matters, I feel like I fell somewhere in the middle. I didn't have a lot of experience in running a home when I moved out, so I had to work at some of the things, but I also felt like what I hadn't done much of was relatively intuitive for me and I was able to figure it out on my own or, for things like cooking, progressively develop my skills through recipes and trial and error.)

OK, I'll be "the one." Your post comes off as a pretty ridiculous humble brag. "I raised my kids so much better than everyone else." We are to believe that a young person who cannot figure out making a bed somehow got into college. Most of the things you mentioned are life skills learned mostly by osmosis- I've slept in a nicely made bed so I know what that is.

My DD22, had no trouble figuring out living on her own, cooking, etc... at 18 in a dorm and at 19 in her first college apartment. She's smart, she has google and YouTube, she's way ahead of our generation. She's spent the summer working on setting up a nicely decorated comfortable house. She didn't need lessons. She grew up in a similar environment.

Daily living we didn't lose too much sleep over teaching- she absorbed most by living in a clean, organized environment. Money management was stressed and discussed.


My kids learned most things just from their 18 years of living in our house, however if they want/need to learn something else they can just look for a YouTube video. In some of your examples like sleeping on a the bed without sheets, it sounds like the person was just lazy or honestly did not care. It’s not hard to make a bed and I’m sure he could have figured it out, he just didn’t bother. Nobody needs bed-making lessons if they have ever slept in a made bed lol!

Agree!
 
That is great!!!
Teach away!!! (Have absolutely NO problem with that!!!)
But, many parents are not so inclined.
Many parents, working and/or single parents, etc. might welcome such a program in the schools.

NOTE: anybody here who knows me, at all, knows that I am very opposed to schools overstepping.
I simply do not include life skills such as handling and balancing basic finances, job applications, taxes, etc... to be 'overstepping'.
Then don’t make a life skills class a requirement. Like the pp, I don’t need school to teach things I can as a parent but do need them to teach higher level math. Don’t need my DS having to waste time in a class like that as opposed to academic classes.
 
We're a family of 5 so I do laundry... um... constantly.... and I also throw basically everything together, in cold water, including my winter sweaters (winter is like 5 1/2 months long here so I have quite a bit - a lot of them hang or lay flat to dry though). The only things I separate are towels and sheets and do those in warm or hot water, but even that doesn't always happen depending on how rushed I am. My mom would have a conniption if she watched me do my laundry though, LOL. I was taught to separate everything, do lingerie bags, etc. Now it's just a cold water free-for-all!

Don’t feel bad- I do the same thing! (I also do not wash reds with other stuff unless they are old and anything that is new that is dark with other clothes. And I always separate sheets/towels minus dish towels and bras are also separate.) I find if I do a load of clothes a day I can keep up with the laundry (unless my daughter has gone through a period of wearing 9000 outfits on one day and putting the clothes in the dirty laundry instead of hanging them back up.) It is just easier to put everything together in cold and dry on low. Been doing it for at least five years now. My clothes have been just fine.
 
Our kids learned the basic life skills at home. How to keep a neat house, budgeting, enough grocery shopping and cooking to keep them alive for a few days, making beds, laundry, yardwork, pumping gas, ironing when called for, etc. Whether or not they do it is another question. And they do text or Google if something comes up, especially car related.

But oldest is married and employed in his field and other 2 sons are making it in an off campus apartment and dd16 cooked for herself and did dishes yesterday without prompting.

So I'd say the basics are there.
 
Exhibit A: When my son moved into the dorms with his first-year roommate, the guy he roomed with didn't know how to make a bed. (Those are my son's words. He did not imply his roommate was too lazy to make the bed.) Rather than ask for help or attempt to figure it out, he just slept on the plastic mattress directly, covered with a blanket. (Yes. His parents had sent him bedding.)

I would imagine a person who couldn't figure out how to make a bed would have some special needs. I hope your son helped him.
 
OK, I'll be "the one." Your post comes off as a pretty ridiculous humble brag. "I raised my kids so much better than everyone else." We are to believe that a young person who cannot figure out making a bed somehow got into college. Most of the things you mentioned are life skills learned mostly by osmosis- I've slept in a nicely made bed so I know what that is.

This was not my intent at all, and I'm sorry if my post came across that way. I would not have originally considered this even something for discussion, as I am in agreement with many posters, where I figured most kids would grow up doing these things or seeing these things done to the point that they could "fake it 'till they make it" or at least know enough to seek out help via friends, parents, or even the internet. Obviously thousands of young adults do grow up and go off to seek their fortunes and they have no issues figuring out which sheet goes on the bottom.

We all grow up with "holes" in our learning that we need to fill in as the need arises. That is a completely natural part of our development. The purpose of my "extreme" examples was to provide contrast to what many people have confirmed, and that is that most parents ensure that their kids have at least some exposure to home skills before they leave home. As I stated in my original post, the one thing that triggered me to write, was the mom that I saw trying to provide her daughter with "all of the knowledge" in the middle of the Target aisle. (And yes, I'm projecting...maybe they weren't mother and daughter, maybe there were extenuating circumstances, maybe...fill in the blank, but the end result was the same.)

Regardless, if I wanted to humble brag about my kids, it wouldn't be to comment on how well they can make hospital corners or clean under the caps of a toilet seat. This was intended as a discussion question and nothing more. I think it is great that your daughter has grown up in a home where she was encouraged to figure things out for herself and is finding her own path. Not all kids, even those "smart enough" to get into college are as intuitive when it comes to life skills, thus the need to have them observe and practice these things before they leave home. Book smart does not necessarily translate into life-skills smart. In fact, sometimes I think it is the kids who are super studious, yet oblivious to much of what makes their life run, that are the most "at risk" of waking up one day, not knowing how to do their own laundry, with people assuming that, "They're smart. They'll figure it out."
 












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